Black out unrelated program to protest anger against person who doesn't use program to advertise show?
Youtube would have at least made a little sense.
Youtube would have at least made a little sense.
A petition to black out Steam for an hour
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I never contradicted that point, I was specifically addressing another poster who said:Sea Sponge said:
"If a man made the same claims about Tropes vs women tries to raise. He would suffer large amounts of abuse. But maybe just maybe he would endure through it and say to his critics see this is whats wrong."
While I agree that misandry is no better than misogyny, the context of the two makes them very different. There are no real men's social rights issues that misandry is representative of, there's no chance of a misandric statement or action contributing to a greater mindset of male oppression. On the other hand, there is a real problem with misogyny within many societies around the world, and I see no issue with people wanting to deal with actual problems before they get onto the hurt feelings.The_Kodu said:The funny thing is statements like
are pretty common and allowed to go unchallenged in SJW circles.
Most of them aren't doing anything to help women in societies around the world. Other than posting slacktivist hashtags.uro vii said:
I don't doubt that, I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with the lack of interest in going after misandry.cypher-raige said:
I'll just quote my statement that you ignored here:The_Kodu said:
And misandry and feminism are not the same thing, nor is there some big united feminist group. Feminists have no obligation to go after every other feminist or pro-female voice that they disagree with.uro vii said:
Okay first off, as someone who's been on Tumblr for well over three years and been in plenty of what you might call "SJW" circles, I can promise you that posts like that do not go unchallenged and are not all that common.The_Kodu said:
Infact the only time I've actually seen posts that say anything like that are in compilation meta posts about the "epidemic of SJWs on Tumblr" and half of them are usually proven to be trolls, jokes, or heavily contextual.
And even if they weren't, chances are they're just someone venting frustrations on their personal blog, directed at nobody and effecting you in precisely zero ways.
Also, "facilitate their Agenda?" The hell do you think her "agenda" is? Attention? Why would anyone want the kind of bile she's had thrown at her? Money? If she wanted to take the money and run she could have but she didn't. This is a big part of why I hate conspiracy theorists, they always think there's a man behind the curtain, an illuminati pulling the strings, and they do these mental gymnastics to make everything about some kind of damned biased agenda.
The way I see it, her videos seem to be a simple feminism 101 course in the context of some tropes commonly found in video games; which, lets be real here, have no shortage of fruit ripe for the plucking.
Have I agreed with everything she's ever said? Hell no, but I can respect what she's trying to do and holy hell did she not deserve all the threats and harassment she's gotten, there's nothing she could have said that would have made that okay. Nothing
And yeah, assholes on the internet are always going to be assholes on the internet, but I think It's the principle of the thing for me. It seems like the "gaming community" is really quick to toss the dreaded "SJW" label at anything that shows the slightest hint of wanting to make this medium more inclusionary as a catch-all way of othering them, people are calling Tim Scafer an "SJW" because he had the audacity to share a video. Imagine what would happen if Valve was suddenly branded an "SJW" company for something like this, the hell are they gonna do? Uninstall Steam and lose their 500 game back catalogs? They're trapped! They'd have to change tactics at very least, maybe someone'll think "gee, even Valve is onboard with this, maybe the gaming community is seriously messed up after all," it has the potential to be a pivotal point in the evolution of the gaming community in the best case scenario, and even in a worst case scenario it still raises awareness so that's a plus.
Oh and, this isn't about someone being mean on the internet, it's about a mindset born on the internet spilling into the real world, resulting in no less then two women being forced into hiding following personal death/rape threats, I don't think I really need to explain the difference in situational gravity here.
There's a part of me that almost wants them to succeed, because they *really* don't grasp what the reaction to "Steam was shut down, because SJW feminists don't want people to treat them like Jack Thompson was treated back in the day" would be.RJ 17 said:
Hint: It's hard to say you don't want to take away people's games, when your response to online threats is to try to take away people's games. That's not how you get support. In fact, a Steam blackout is how you get the opposite of support for, well, *anything*.
Well, it has the whole "THERE'S A DAMSEL IN DISTRESS!" vibe for some gamers, so they're going to flock to it and believe any story she gives.xaszatm said:
I'll make sure to be playing during that time of their planned black out. I thought her last video was ridiculous; but not warranting any harassment.
To clarify, my post was not asking for a citation or evidence to show that Anita is working with EA, but rather the question was "Why do you think EA cares about what Anita thinks?" I just find it difficult to believe that they'd actually care about what she has to say if she was just some fringe feminist from the internet that relatively few people had heard about. But that's not the case, is it? Haters gotta hate, apparently, even when their hate just fuels the power and prestige of the person they're hating.The_Kodu said:
I find it funny that a lot of people that don't like Anita call her an attention whore...and yet they still continue to feed her attention. This very topic - while only tangentially concerning Anita - has brought her even more attention. Topics like this, petitions like this, all these things serve to increase Anita's notoriety thus making her more "famous" than she rightfully should be. And that's why EA is willing to listen to her: she's not just some fringe feminist on the internet...she's a FAMOUS fringe feminist on the internet.
Firstly, Compared to multiple countries across the world that still have laws limiting education, job opportunities, dress code, marriage rights, etc, the history of just about every country of widespread gender discrimination, and the fact that the number of women in political and financial power is still substantially lower than that of men. I certainly say men's rights issue do not compare.The_Kodu said:
Secondly, no one's forgetting anything, women's rights issues obviously far outweigh that of men's and as such take precedent.
Thirdly, I never said anything about intention, I have no idea where you got that from
Neither is making idiotic threats the same as executing 200 people (point being: i wasn't equating anything, i was pointing out the principle of collective punishment is stupid by using an example that "Progressives" would definitely condemn, actually it's also a "subtle" way to point out blatant double standards). But you know what, what would make religious worship special anyway? Why is denying someone the ability to play their games less bad than someone not being able to make their prayers somewhere? I'm sorry but i don't hold religion on some kind of a holy pedestal.Mcoffey said:
Anyway, your response was really disappointing. You basically couldn't argue your way out and instead of admitting you were wrong you tried to divert the point. Come on, tell me why collective punishment is a great idea.
The Idea that I won't be able to play steam for someone else "cause" is downright idiotic, and I'd move my business to GOG if they even considered dragging people into the SJW nonsense by not allowing me access to stuff I paid for.
Now how theses things are suppose to happen are people are suppose to sign up to something like " I won't play any video games for a week" to boycott or stand for something. This is just suggesting our steam should be held hostage because someone "Claims" someone did something mean on the internet.
Has this world gotten so lazy we are suppose to be force people to try to stand up for something we don't even know that is right?
Now how theses things are suppose to happen are people are suppose to sign up to something like " I won't play any video games for a week" to boycott or stand for something. This is just suggesting our steam should be held hostage because someone "Claims" someone did something mean on the internet.
Has this world gotten so lazy we are suppose to be force people to try to stand up for something we don't even know that is right?
Eh... I'm gonna let this one play out.
I don't see much reason to doubt the validity of the threat, but I'm not sure that petitioning Valve to black out Steam is the best response.
I don't see much reason to doubt the validity of the threat, but I'm not sure that petitioning Valve to black out Steam is the best response.