Amber Guyger has been found GUILTY

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

In addition to uploading the video to social media, Bunny said she also turned it over to the Dallas County District Attorney?s office. It was after she uploaded the video that the harassment started.

?I did get a few threats from people saying they weren?t gonna leave any witnesses behind, telling me I need to watch my back, things like that,? she said.

She also said that trolls found the name of the pharmaceutical company that she worked for and began making harassing phone calls. They also found the company Facebook page and made posts calling her a ?radical,? ?anti-police,? and ?a black extremist.?

The company let Bunny go, she said, and told her that they ?didn?t want their company associated with a high-profile case.? When she threatened to go to the media with her story, she said the company then blacklisted her credentials, making it impossible for her to get further work in her field.

... because being known as the company who fired and blacklisted a person for doing her civil duty is somehow BETTER for their image?!

 

[Saelune]

In addition to uploading the video to social media, Bunny said she also turned it over to the Dallas County District Attorney?s office. It was after she uploaded the video that the harassment started.

?I did get a few threats from people saying they weren?t gonna leave any witnesses behind, telling me I need to watch my back, things like that,? she said.

She also said that trolls found the name of the pharmaceutical company that she worked for and began making harassing phone calls. They also found the company Facebook page and made posts calling her a ?radical,? ?anti-police,? and ?a black extremist.?

The company let Bunny go, she said, and told her that they ?didn?t want their company associated with a high-profile case.? When she threatened to go to the media with her story, she said the company then blacklisted her credentials, making it impossible for her to get further work in her field.

... because being known as the company who fired and blacklisted a person for doing her civil duty is somehow BETTER for their image?!

Considering how many racists there are, probably.

 

[Saelune]

This seems relevant. Why, oh why, would a witness for the prosecution be killed by several gunshot wounds? [tweet t="https://twitter.com/RzstProgramming/status/1180585156584697857"]

Are we going full r/conspiracy here now? What are you trying to say with this post? Make an assertion or give a theory that can be discussed/debunked/supported.

A black witness was murdered for standing up to the police.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

And here we go. [https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/10/03/us/black-americans-forgiveness-trnd/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F]

It was called, Ladies, Gentlemen, and Fluid. The table has been set. Let's see who sits down first.

 

[tstorm823]

And here we go. [https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/10/03/us/black-americans-forgiveness-trnd/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F]

It was called, Ladies, Gentlemen, and Fluid. The table has been set. Let's see who sits down first.

I'm conflicted on this, and I suspect the break here isn't so much racial as it is religious.

But man, check out this quality writing from CNN.

Title: The problem with always asking black people to forgive
First line: It was the last thing anyone was expecting.

Not sure they thought that one through.

 

[Avnger]

But man, check out this quality writing from CNN.

Title: The problem with always asking black people to forgive
First line: It was the last thing anyone was expecting.

Not sure they thought that one through.

Are you capable of applying context to a situation? I'm asking this honestly because your posts across this forum (and especially the quoted one) demonstrate a complete inability to do so.[footnote]Or at least you magically "fail" at doing so any time its convenient for your agenda. Both are possible.[/footnote]

Nothing about what CNN wrote there doesn't make sense.

Black people can be asked to forgive way too much while a family member openly forgiving a convicted murderer and asking for no jail time at sentencing can be entirely unexpected.

 

[tstorm823]

Are you capable of applying context to a situation? I'm asking this honestly because your posts across this forum (and especially the quoted one) demonstrate a complete inability to do so.[footnote]Or at least you magically "fail" at doing so any time its convenient for your agenda. Both are possible.[/footnote]

Nothing about what CNN wrote there doesn't make sense.

Black people can be asked to forgive way too much while a family member openly forgiving a convicted murderer and asking for no jail time at sentencing can be entirely unexpected.

I am capable of applying context to a situation. I applied context to this situation, and realized "It was the last thing that anyone was expecting" is an exceptionally stupid overly dramatic narrative lead-in to an article that goes on to address black victims being more expected to forgive than white counterparts.

It's not some subtle "this was the exception where nobody expected forgiveness." It's just bad writing.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

This seems relevant. Why, oh why, would a witness for the prosecution be killed by several gunshot wounds?

Yup. Saw that this morning. That's REALLLLY suspicious.

The key witness who got the cop murderer put away suddenly gets gunned down, not even robbed, while the killers speed away the second they're done, days after the verdict. There is no way in which this is NOT suspicious.

I'm not saying it was definitely other cops trying to "even the score" in their eyes. It could just as easily have been run of the mill racist thugs who were mad that a black man testified successfully against a white cop who shot a black man.

But either way, there needs to be an investigation that's external to the local police department. If there's even the slightest chance that the cops were in on it in any way, shape, or form, they cannot be trusted to investigate the case.

My parents aren't really conspiracy people, and when I told them the news even THEY both said they think it's pretty likely that it was disgruntled cops who did it.

So yeah. REAL SUSPICIOUS. A full external investigation is a MUST here.

In addition to uploading the video to social media, Bunny said she also turned it over to the Dallas County District Attorney?s office. It was after she uploaded the video that the harassment started.

?I did get a few threats from people saying they weren?t gonna leave any witnesses behind, telling me I need to watch my back, things like that,? she said.

She also said that trolls found the name of the pharmaceutical company that she worked for and began making harassing phone calls. They also found the company Facebook page and made posts calling her a ?radical,? ?anti-police,? and ?a black extremist.?

The company let Bunny go, she said, and told her that they ?didn?t want their company associated with a high-profile case.? When she threatened to go to the media with her story, she said the company then blacklisted her credentials, making it impossible for her to get further work in her field.

...WELP, my suspicio-meter has overloaded and blown clean off the wall. This was definitely a vendetta killing or a professional hit put out due to a vendetta.

Still not enough for me to point definitively whether the cops or """"Vigilantes"""" are the culprit, but enough for me to say whoever did it is the kind of bigoted slime who'd lynch black people for fun if they could get away with it.

External investigation. Now. Comb the entire police department right down to the janitors, just to be sure.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

And here we go. [https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/10/03/us/black-americans-forgiveness-trnd/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F]

It was called, Ladies, Gentlemen, and Fluid. The table has been set. Let's see who sits down first.

Does "fluid" apply for people like Liquid Snake or...?

Either way, check my top post on forgiveness. The victim's brother is saving his own self some heartache when he chooses not to hate his brother's killer. That it also may provide some comfort to her too or that it may even adversely affect race status in the country is both irrelevant and comparatively insignificant to a man dealing with the loss of family in a completely unreasonable and chaoitic fashion. If we lose this capacity for good then chaos is not far away.

 

[Batou667]

Pointing out bigotry is not the same thing and you know it.

I was being facaetious but you'll surely agree that people on either side of the divide have the ability to perpetuate a division. In your post you used outdated terminology. So tell me, is that helping or is it reinforcing increasingly redundant stereotypes? If I ran around in the street shouting the N-word to "raise awareness about the historical injustice of slavery" would that be constructive?

I see this kind of thing all the time. I wonder if there's a succinct term for it? "Ignoring advances made by one's own side and the system in general to retain the claim to be the underdog, for the purpose of leveraging sympathy or social justice"?

 

[Silvanus]

In your post you used outdated terminology. So tell me, is that helping or is it reinforcing increasingly redundant stereotypes? If I ran around in the street shouting the N-word to "raise awareness about the historical injustice of slavery" would that be constructive?

Welp, that's a bit of a steep escalation. The obvious difference is that terms such as "fireman" are still widely used and widely accepted, which I expect was Saelune's point-- the wide usage indicates a societal attitude about the role.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Does "fluid" apply for people like Liquid Snake or...?

Either way, check my top post on forgiveness. The victim's brother is saving his own self some heartache when he chooses not to hate his brother's killer. That it also may provide some comfort to her too or that it may even adversely affect race status in the country is both irrelevant and comparatively insignificant to a man dealing with the loss of family in a completely unreasonable and chaoitic fashion. If we lose this capacity for good then chaos is not far away.

I know this. I spoke about it before in a few of my posts.

You accidentally bump me on the street. Forgiveness is easy and should be extended.

You call me a name on purpose. Forgiveness is an option, depending on the word and your true intent.

You steal from me. Forgiveness can be used, but again, if you know I will readily forgive you're more likely to do it again.

You cripple me. You burn down my house. You lie and get my job taken away. You seduce my wife from me. You get me sent to jail. These things aren't momentary injuries like the previous ones. These are life-changing events. These are things that will catapult my life in a vastly different direction than can ever possibly be measured.

Botham Jean is dead. The family that he was going to add to his will never happen. The community he could have bolstered up with his lineage will never see that miracle. He can never be there as an emotional support for his close ones again.

Botham Jean will never get over this. He is not Christ. He is gone.

With that stating that, That's not the purpose of the article. In fact, your last sentence actually touched on the issue that is truly bothering the black community.

Truly the power to forgive is an immense one. One that should be coveted. But one that shouldn't be taken lightly. Simply put, it can not be expected to be extended to all things. If it can be, that's wonderful. But it literally cheapens the idea of actual consequences.

Your last sentence swings both ways. Yes, if we lose the capacity and the capability of expressing good, we are surely damned. However, on the same token, if we constantly allow people to get away with things, chaos can equally occur because no one will care. No one will care if they know their sins will be washed away in the eyes of the public.

There's a reason people just had enough of situations like this and said black lives matter. Because to us, it truly feels like no one else believes that. Again, black person killed by police. Another horrible tragedy. Another mistake that is so hard for the poor officer to deal with, but we must all accept.

Another call for forgiveness. Every. Single. Time.

I do not think people can truly understand what it's like to be on a wanted list that means your life is cheap and people will explain away your death without even thinking about your character unless you've truly lived it. Some LGBTQ forum members might. Even in countries now, they can be killed just for admitting how they were born. There are still places in this world were life is cheap for a woman. Her body isn't her own. And she can be damned by her society for letting herself get defiled. Because of the shame it might bring to her family and her community.

Being on a wanted list is a horrible thing. It means you know your life is essentially worthless to the masses. And with the black community, we have the added insult of always being expected to forgive.

You know, The last part of the article [https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/us/black-americans-forgiveness-trnd/index.html?no-st=1570401403] is what tears at my heart. It's the part that I think everyone should ruminate on.

"After 9/11, there was no talk about forgiving al-Qaeda, Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden. America declared war, sought blood and revenge, and rushed protective measures into place to prevent future attacks," she wrote.

Rev. Derby, of the Charleston NAACP, believes there's a disconnect between the the call to forgive between black people and white people.

"I have yet to see a white family go up to a black defendant, even if that defendant has apologized," he said. "My question to white Christians is, how can you praise black people for [forgiving] when you don't do the same kind of thing yourself?"

This is a fantastic point. When blacks commit crime, I don't see many people calling for forgiveness from the community as much as I've seen it called for when crime happens to black people. When blacks commit crime, racist sentiments go up at the worst, and calls for higher policing in the community go up in the least.

When whites commit crime, Jason Schmit commits crime. Evelyn Jamieson commits crime. Josh Green commits crime. There are no calls for higher policing as there are for blacks. When white people shoot up their neighbors, it's the guns that do it. They are horrible devices that can magically warp the minds of sane people and force them to commit these acts. When gang war happens, it's the community. Why can't black people get it under control? Why are they so violent? Where were the police to watch these people's every move?

The expectations of the people are different in this country. Every black person knows that. And no, I'm not saying Brandt is wrong to forgive Amber. I clearly stated that my problem with his forgiving Amber is a problem only because of it will be a continuation of the role we're expected to have in this society.

Of course above all, I want forgiveness in the world. I do not lie when I say my personal hero for now and forever is Mr Rogers. But you have to understand how this culture has been crafted. The Bible was always taught to Slaves to endure. That you may suffer in this life, you will be free in the next. The Church asks you to forgive, forgive, and forgive so that you may seek your reward in the hereafter. The first slave ship hit America in 1619.

Literally 400 years later, and that tradition is still going strong. Black Christians need to forgive, or are at least expected to if they want to be real Christians. White Christians, vengeance is yours. Use it to justify your hate, your bigotry, and your further attacks on anyone.

 

[Saelune]

Pointing out bigotry is not the same thing and you know it.

I was being facaetious but you'll surely agree that people on either side of the divide have the ability to perpetuate a division. In your post you used outdated terminology. So tell me, is that helping or is it reinforcing increasingly redundant stereotypes? If I ran around in the street shouting the N-word to "raise awareness about the historical injustice of slavery" would that be constructive?

I see this kind of thing all the time. I wonder if there's a succinct term for it? "Ignoring advances made by one's own side and the system in general to retain the claim to be the underdog, for the purpose of leveraging sympathy or social justice"?

To use the N word as an example instead of 'fireman', it would be if I said 'Racists use the N word as a slur against black people' and you responded 'How dare you use the N word!'

And Dreiko responded 'Well no one in my country says the N word, so you're wrong'

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Does "fluid" apply for people like Liquid Snake or...?

Either way, check my top post on forgiveness. The victim's brother is saving his own self some heartache when he chooses not to hate his brother's killer. That it also may provide some comfort to her too or that it may even adversely affect race status in the country is both irrelevant and comparatively insignificant to a man dealing with the loss of family in a completely unreasonable and chaoitic fashion. If we lose this capacity for good then chaos is not far away.

I know this. I spoke about it before in a few of my posts.

You accidentally bump me on the street. Forgiveness is easy and should be extended.

You call me a name on purpose. Forgiveness is an option, depending on the word and your true intent.

You steal from me. Forgiveness can be used, but again, if you know I will readily forgive you're more likely to do it again.

You cripple me. You burn down my house. You lie and get my job taken away. You seduce my wife from me. You get me sent to jail. These things aren't momentary injuries like the previous ones. These are life-changing events. These are things that will catapult my life in a vastly different direction than can ever possibly be measured.

Botham Jean is dead. The family that he was going to add to his will never happen. The community he could have bolstered up with his lineage will never see that miracle. He can never be there as an emotional support for his close ones again.

Botham Jean will never get over this. He is not Christ. He is gone.

With that stating that, That's not the purpose of the article. In fact, your last sentence actually touched on the issue that is truly bothering the black community.

Truly the power to forgive is an immense one. One that should be coveted. But one that shouldn't be taken lightly. Simply put, it can not be expected to be extended to all things. If it can be, that's wonderful. But it literally cheapens the idea of actual consequences.

Your last sentence swings both ways. Yes, if we lose the capacity and the capability of expressing good, we are surely damned. However, on the same token, if we constantly allow people to get away with things, chaos can equally occur because no one will care. No one will care if they know their sins will be washed away in the eyes of the public.

There's a reason people just had enough of situations like this and said black lives matter. Because to us, it truly feels like no one else believes that. Again, black person killed by police. Another horrible tragedy. Another mistake that is so hard for the poor officer to deal with, but we must all accept.

Another call for forgiveness. Every. Single. Time.

I do not think people can truly understand what it's like to be on a wanted list that means your life is cheap and people will explain away your death without even thinking about your character unless you've truly lived it. Some LGBTQ forum members might. Even in countries now, they can be killed just for admitting how they were born. There are still places in this world were life is cheap for a woman. Her body isn't her own. And she can be damned by her society for letting herself get defiled. Because of the shame it might bring to her family and her community.

Being on a wanted list is a horrible thing. It means you know your life is essentially worthless to the masses. And with the black community, we have the added insult of always being expected to forgive.

You know, The last part of the article [https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/us/black-americans-forgiveness-trnd/index.html?no-st=1570401403] is what tears at my heart. It's the part that I think everyone should ruminate on.

Ok so a couple of things.

I didn't see a "call" for forgiveness anywhere. The brother just did it on his own, unprompted. You may feel like there is such a call being made implicitly or you may not but either way, and this ties with my next point, it's all ultimately in your head.


I think this feeling of being on a wanted list is just paranoia and a form of persecution complex. Most normal people don't think of black people's lives as not mattering. It's just that we're being bombarded with the events that would be occurring to someone somewhere anyways and that makes it feel this way because we aren't also shown all the good interactions between peoples and communities that also must be occurring because every single time you go anywhere you don't see riots and bloodstains. Again, it's how you deal with this information that affects how you'll feel. When I hear about a white or Greek or whatever dude dying I don't feel personally threatened. It's just some dude in the end, what contributed to his demise was a combination of bad luck and a trillion choices which put him on that end. Especially with this case, when you have a dark room and you're sitting there eating ice cream and the crazy cop lady barges in and shoots you, you're dead no matter what color you are since it's too dark to see either way. Point being, it's kinda off to link this with other more clearly racially-motivated incidents and use it to fuel your worries like you'd use the other ones.


Finally, I don't see actual chaos stemming from being too good and too forgiving. I see people being shamed through it into self-reflection. The people who'd take it as a green light to go nuts would never be reformed either way but the greater society can look onto the tragedy and be shocked into awareness. Hell, that's kinda the definition of Christianity. You kinda have to have someone big getting crucified before you can stop being assholes and realize it's a bad thing to crucify people. It's part of why I don't care for the faith but you can't deny that this country is deeply rooted in it.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Especially with this case, when you have a dark room and you're sitting there eating ice cream and the crazy cop lady barges in and shoots you, you're dead no matter what color you are since it's too dark to see either way. Point being, it's kinda off to link this with other more clearly racially-motivated incidents and use it to fuel your worries like you'd use the other ones.

Sure, he might have "just happened" to be black. And it "just happens" that the number of times that it "just happens" that the victim is black is disproportionately high, and has been forever. Funny that, almost as if there's a big societal problem there.

People might very well tend to say they don't think that black lives don't matter, and they might very well believe it. But then you see black people being treated by society as if their lives don't matter (as much as white people's). There's no hard boundary between self-declared racists and "normal" people, the former might be the minority but there's a lot of racism from the latter. Any number of police murders aren't done by outright racists, they are by people who saw a black man and thought he looked scary enough to shoot, like they've been brought up to believe.

Also, it's kinda off to claim that black people being worried about racism (and, you know, being murdered) is them falsely fueling their persecution complex.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Especially with this case, when you have a dark room and you're sitting there eating ice cream and the crazy cop lady barges in and shoots you, you're dead no matter what color you are since it's too dark to see either way. Point being, it's kinda off to link this with other more clearly racially-motivated incidents and use it to fuel your worries like you'd use the other ones.

Sure, he might have "just happened" to be black. And it "just happens" that the number of times that it "just happens" that the victim is black is disproportionately high, and has been forever. Funny that, almost as if there's a big societal problem there.

People might very well tend to say they don't think that black lives don't matter, and they might very well believe it. But then you see black people being treated by society as if their lives don't matter (as much as white people's). There's no hard boundary between self-declared racists and "normal" people, the former might be the minority but there's a lot of racism from the latter. Any number of police murders aren't done by outright racists, they are by people who saw a black man and thought he looked scary enough to shoot, like they've been brought up to believe.

Also, it's kinda off to claim that black people being worried about racism (and, you know, being murdered) is them falsely fueling their persecution complex.

See, now you're moving the goalpost. I'd definitely agree that they don't matter "as much" but that is NOT what the point here is. When you say black lives matter what you're refuting is the idea that they don't matter at all, not that they matter but just a little bit less.

They matter in all the significant ways that human rights make life matter in every developed country and multiple hundreds of times more than in a lot of underdeveloped countries. That's something to be proud of. That's something we achieved and not many others can match us.

Now, of course when you have a system of power in the hands of a few billionaires, you will have inequality in how much someone's life matters, and when economic histories have rendered a segment of the population significantly poorer in this plutocratic system, you'll end up with the results you're describing, but even the low end is overall an incredible high when taking human history as a whole.

Throwing everything under the bus because we haven't reached our destination despite being further ahead than most people ever managed to get is extremely counter-productive.


If you're worried about racism more than about being hit by a car or eating too much and getting a heart attack or developing some sort of cancer, that is statistically irrational, yes. Cancers (most of em) and heart attacks simply don't have a perpetrator that at clean-cut and easy to aim your animosity towards. (and oftentimes, with things like overeating or smoking or not working out, the perpetrator would be the individual themselves)

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Ok so a couple of things.

I didn't see a "call" for forgiveness anywhere. The brother just did it on his own, unprompted. You may feel like there is such a call being made implicitly or you may not but either way, and this ties with my next point, it's all ultimately in your head.


I think this feeling of being on a wanted list is just paranoia and a form of persecution complex. Most normal people don't think of black people's lives as not mattering. It's just that we're being bombarded with the events that would be occurring to someone somewhere anyways and that makes it feel this way because we aren't also shown all the good interactions between peoples and communities that also must be occurring because every single time you go anywhere you don't see riots and bloodstains. Again, it's how you deal with this information that affects how you'll feel. When I hear about a white or Greek or whatever dude dying I don't feel personally threatened. It's just some dude in the end, what contributed to his demise was a combination of bad luck and a trillion choices which put him on that end. Especially with this case, when you have a dark room and you're sitting there eating ice cream and the crazy cop lady barges in and shoots you, you're dead no matter what color you are since it's too dark to see either way. Point being, it's kinda off to link this with other more clearly racially-motivated incidents and use it to fuel your worries like you'd use the other ones.


Finally, I don't see actual chaos stemming from being too good and too forgiving. I see people being shamed through it into self-reflection. The people who'd take it as a green light to go nuts would never be reformed either way but the greater society can look onto the tragedy and be shocked into awareness. Hell, that's kinda the definition of Christianity. You kinda have to have someone big getting crucified before you can stop being assholes and realize it's a bad thing to crucify people. It's part of why I don't care for the faith but you can't deny that this country is deeply rooted in it.

Before I answer anything, I'm not sure of your background, race, or location. Can you share that before I go on?

 

[tstorm823]

Before I answer anything, I'm not sure of your background, race, or location. Can you share that before I go on?

The post you quoted indicates white, ethnically Greek, and in the US. I'd recommened rereading the post you're going to respond to if you feel you need that information but didn't notice it was already there.

 

[Thaluikhain]

See, now you're moving the goalpost. I'd definitely agree that they don't matter "as much" but that is NOT what the point here is. When you say black lives matter what you're refuting is the idea that they don't matter at all, not that they matter but just a little bit less.

It's a three word slogan, you can't hope to be too accurate there. Anyone paying any amount of attention knows what the BLM movement is about. They've not been secretive about their aims.

Now, of course when you have a system of power in the hands of a few billionaires, you will have inequality in how much someone's life matters, and when economic histories have rendered a segment of the population significantly poorer in this plutocratic system, you'll end up with the results you're describing

Racism is hardly unconnected from classism, true, but that's not to say they aren't at all separate.

Throwing everything under the bus because we haven't reached our destination despite being further ahead than most people ever managed to get is extremely counter-productive.

Well, yes, but I fail to see how "less racism" (or even "less murders due to racism") is throwing everything under the bus.

If you're worried about racism more than about being hit by a car or eating too much and getting a heart attack or developing some sort of cancer, that is statistically irrational, yes. Cancers (most of em) and heart attacks simply don't have a perpetrator that at clean-cut and easy to aim your animosity towards. (and oftentimes, with things like overeating or smoking or not working out, the perpetrator would be the individual themselves)

Racism, or specifically murders due to racism? In any case, people often don't have a firm grasp of what they are likely to die of. People talking about breast cancer for women and exclude heart disease, say, cause boobs.

Though, like you say, the risks of lung cancer or heart disease tend to be something the person can affect. If you're worried about lung cancer, you can give up smoking. If you're worried about being shot (or some other person being shot) by police with race as an element, what do you do?

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Ok so a couple of things.

I didn't see a "call" for forgiveness anywhere. The brother just did it on his own, unprompted. You may feel like there is such a call being made implicitly or you may not but either way, and this ties with my next point, it's all ultimately in your head.


I think this feeling of being on a wanted list is just paranoia and a form of persecution complex. Most normal people don't think of black people's lives as not mattering. It's just that we're being bombarded with the events that would be occurring to someone somewhere anyways and that makes it feel this way because we aren't also shown all the good interactions between peoples and communities that also must be occurring because every single time you go anywhere you don't see riots and bloodstains. Again, it's how you deal with this information that affects how you'll feel. When I hear about a white or Greek or whatever dude dying I don't feel personally threatened. It's just some dude in the end, what contributed to his demise was a combination of bad luck and a trillion choices which put him on that end. Especially with this case, when you have a dark room and you're sitting there eating ice cream and the crazy cop lady barges in and shoots you, you're dead no matter what color you are since it's too dark to see either way. Point being, it's kinda off to link this with other more clearly racially-motivated incidents and use it to fuel your worries like you'd use the other ones.


Finally, I don't see actual chaos stemming from being too good and too forgiving. I see people being shamed through it into self-reflection. The people who'd take it as a green light to go nuts would never be reformed either way but the greater society can look onto the tragedy and be shocked into awareness. Hell, that's kinda the definition of Christianity. You kinda have to have someone big getting crucified before you can stop being assholes and realize it's a bad thing to crucify people. It's part of why I don't care for the faith but you can't deny that this country is deeply rooted in it.

Before I answer anything, I'm not sure of your background, race, or location. Can you share that before I go on?

Just answer like you answer to a normal average person dude. Normally I'd have no issue talking about this stuff but not as something that's gonna affect how you analyze my points which I am putting forward to have them stand on their merits and not buttressed by whatever identity boxes I may or may not tick through pure chance.

See, now you're moving the goalpost. I'd definitely agree that they don't matter "as much" but that is NOT what the point here is. When you say black lives matter what you're refuting is the idea that they don't matter at all, not that they matter but just a little bit less.

It's a three word slogan, you can't hope to be too accurate there. Anyone paying any amount of attention knows what the BLM movement is about. They've not been secretive about their aims.

I have payed enough attention, not all of it intentional mind you XD. They and their supporters say often that they are treated as though they don't matter, period. Not as though they matter 95% as much.

Racism is hardly unconnected from classism, true, but that's not to say they aren't at all separate.

Fixing classism will fix racism despite them not being connected because if you don't have more power to marginalize someone, people tell me you can't be racist, cause according to them only the people with systemic power can be.

Well, yes, but I fail to see how "less racism" (or even "less murders due to racism") is throwing everything under the bus.

Calling one of the least racist societies to ever exist, both historically and in the modern era, a racist society, as opposed to a not completely nonracist one, is throwing it under the bus.

Racism, or specifically murders due to racism? In any case, people often don't have a firm grasp of what they are likely to die of. People talking about breast cancer for women and exclude heart disease, say, cause boobs.

Though, like you say, the risks of lung cancer or heart disease tend to be something the person can affect. If you're worried about lung cancer, you can give up smoking. If you're worried about being shot (or some other person being shot) by police with race as an element, what do you do?

You can't affect it in the same way you can't affect a bad driver hitting you as you walk down the street but people aren't being in a frenzy about car accidents, despite them killing tens of thousands of people each year.