they do not forgive, they do not forget, they are legion
.......ya know, they are quite an entertaining group aren't they.
.......ya know, they are quite an entertaining group aren't they.
Anonymous Attacks US Government
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Interesting, I have to give them credit for actually doing it.
To be honest with you I have issues with the current system for copyrights and intellectual properties, but I don't go as far as Anonymous does in my beliefs on the subject.
Largely because I feel it gets into the broader issue of intellectual property rights, and the right of a creator to see returns on their investment. I have issues with nations like China analyzing drugs like Viagra and then selling them globally without the permission of the creators (Pfizers) who invested tons of money.
Now granted that is more of a patent issue than a copyright issue, but I feel they are connected. Simply put I have issues with "robber economies" like China's that rise to prominance on the creations of other groups.
On the other hand I do agree with Anonymous that copyright laws are going too far. For years I listened to Harlon Ellison who is a good writer, whining that schools were only buying a couple copies of his work and then making copies of the relevent portions they wanted to examine to distribute to students, rather than buying a copy for every student (or making them buy a copy). I understand his points, but I still feel in practice that it's a bit ridiculous.
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As far as repercussions for Anonymous, it will be interesting to see if the US goverment can actually do anything about them. There might be a few arrests, but the nature of Anonymous means that this probably won't even slow them down. Given the difficulty of dealing with other computer crimes, including things like child pornography distribution, I can't see even the US being especially effective in this case.
To be honest with you I have issues with the current system for copyrights and intellectual properties, but I don't go as far as Anonymous does in my beliefs on the subject.
Largely because I feel it gets into the broader issue of intellectual property rights, and the right of a creator to see returns on their investment. I have issues with nations like China analyzing drugs like Viagra and then selling them globally without the permission of the creators (Pfizers) who invested tons of money.
Now granted that is more of a patent issue than a copyright issue, but I feel they are connected. Simply put I have issues with "robber economies" like China's that rise to prominance on the creations of other groups.
On the other hand I do agree with Anonymous that copyright laws are going too far. For years I listened to Harlon Ellison who is a good writer, whining that schools were only buying a couple copies of his work and then making copies of the relevent portions they wanted to examine to distribute to students, rather than buying a copy for every student (or making them buy a copy). I understand his points, but I still feel in practice that it's a bit ridiculous.
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As far as repercussions for Anonymous, it will be interesting to see if the US goverment can actually do anything about them. There might be a few arrests, but the nature of Anonymous means that this probably won't even slow them down. Given the difficulty of dealing with other computer crimes, including things like child pornography distribution, I can't see even the US being especially effective in this case.
That's very interesting, thank you. I mean, it goes to show all of the crazy conflict that goes on in the US! The Magna Carta is no longer a valuable/valied document over here- the UK practices an unwritten constitution. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but it does mean we don't have these legal issues.Arec Balrin said:
I think I would take less exception to this if it were the dignified approach which you describe, but it isn't. The first amendment doesn't allow, nor condone theft, because you are infringing on someone else's rights, which is what piracy is. Sure those rights are practiced by the rich and evil media corporations, but isn't that what a free capitalist country protects?I guess the argument remains whether or not music/film/game downloads fall into the "written word" category, or the "product" category (where they currently are). I guess moving out, it also means you have to consider whether a product needs to be physical, or whether or not a product can be treated as such when there is no solid form to it. Again, this is something the US does with it's amalgamation of religion and state.
Personally, I think anonymous are cheap little kid/student skanks, that want to have their cake and eat it. They want quality, and they want free, and it supports the ruin of the entertainment industry, purely because "rich people never starve". If there is a way to do it cheaper without the boss loosing money, they will, which will encourage redundancy and cheaper product. Though I approve of their mission against oppressive forces in the world, such as Scientology or bigots, I think they are now becoming blind to who the real enemies are. My two cents. Cheers!
I don't know if I've been ninja'd on this... but most of them wear masks or hide their face in some way.Harbinger_ said:
Why didn't they just call it "Operation Immaturity: Ruining the internet for those that deserve to use it"?
Actions like this are nothing but counter productive. Instead of throwing little hissy fits like children, they should be adults and do things the right, legal way.
Oh, wait. That would require them to be responsible people, and actually show their faces, instead of hiding behind computers like cowards.
Actions like this are nothing but counter productive. Instead of throwing little hissy fits like children, they should be adults and do things the right, legal way.
Oh, wait. That would require them to be responsible people, and actually show their faces, instead of hiding behind computers like cowards.
Remember, remember the fifth of November, the gunpowder treason and plot. I can think of no reason the gunpowder treason should ever be forgot.
Well at least we know why Anon is holding various rallies tomorrow.
Well at least we know why Anon is holding various rallies tomorrow.
By your logic, Anons would exist under every ideal possible, as it's a huge group of different minded people. I like to think that there are more anons against then for piracy though.Zeeky_Santos said:
Besides, tripcodes don't belong on an image board.
I agree fully. These children are nothing more than a nuisance as of late, declaring their apparent superiority over the internet and for what? knocking down a website for a period of time? I think I better start panic buying and prepare to ride out the oncoming apocalypse as best I can.-Samurai- said:
More can be achieved through legal channels, regardless of how corrupt some elements of it are. If they wanted to instil a level of respect for themselves and actually make a difference, how about they go back to square one and go through proper channels like the rest of us average Joes? Putting your ego over your experience with dealing with government authorities is not so much shooting yourself in the foot than it is the G-man ripping the gun out of your hand and firing back at you
Anon doesn't afraid of anything.Straying Bullet said:
Makes me proud to be a denizen of the internets.
Not the right way to do things, and certainly not the right fight in the first place.
Yes, there are flaws in the copyright laws. There are flaws with everything. However, the general idea of copyright and the idea that people can own their intellectual property is a good one. Would you like it if people were allowed to steal your ideas wholesale? Would you like it if you don't have a right to say what happens with your work?
This won't go anywhere, and won't result in anything good. At best, the US government will just introduce more laws regulating the internet to stop these attacks - the idea that these hackers can actually get the US government to cave in is ludicrous, because then the economy SIMPLY. WOULDN'T. WORK. So, either cave into anonymous and destroy EVERY.SINGLE.ADVANCED.ECONOMIC.SECTOR.WITHIN.THE.ENTIRE.UNITED.STATES, or try to pass a few more laws allowing the FBI to trace and arrest these hackers.
For all their technical expertise, anonymous apparently have no political or economic training at all, and are so unhinged and detached from reality itself that they harbour deluded power fantasies.
They won't get what they want. And they're really, REALLY stupid if they think they can. Just someone knows how to hack computers doesn't mean they are very smart, and this is proof. Their actions are petty, they don't win the respect of the majority and they are not constructive in the least.
Yes, there are flaws in the copyright laws. There are flaws with everything. However, the general idea of copyright and the idea that people can own their intellectual property is a good one. Would you like it if people were allowed to steal your ideas wholesale? Would you like it if you don't have a right to say what happens with your work?
This won't go anywhere, and won't result in anything good. At best, the US government will just introduce more laws regulating the internet to stop these attacks - the idea that these hackers can actually get the US government to cave in is ludicrous, because then the economy SIMPLY. WOULDN'T. WORK. So, either cave into anonymous and destroy EVERY.SINGLE.ADVANCED.ECONOMIC.SECTOR.WITHIN.THE.ENTIRE.UNITED.STATES, or try to pass a few more laws allowing the FBI to trace and arrest these hackers.
For all their technical expertise, anonymous apparently have no political or economic training at all, and are so unhinged and detached from reality itself that they harbour deluded power fantasies.
They won't get what they want. And they're really, REALLY stupid if they think they can. Just someone knows how to hack computers doesn't mean they are very smart, and this is proof. Their actions are petty, they don't win the respect of the majority and they are not constructive in the least.
Okay, see...this concerns me. If you're going to enter a state of open revolt against a country, you better actually get shit done, not just shut down an unimportant website for half an hour. As it stands, all they've done is guarantee that they will never get the change they're demanding. Exhibit A:
"The United States does not negotiate with terrorists."
Sound like an overreaction? It isn't. I guarantee that if the government chooses to respond publicly, this is what they'll say. And just like that, all the sane, rational people who also oppose ACTA and other bad copyright legislation are painted as terrorists too. Then comes the public backlash, where people make a serious move to end internet anonymity for good, because "the government should never be held hostage by a bunch of entitled teenagers in their parents' basement."
Every time Anon tries to strike a blow against a target like this, they will simply provoke the government into striking back--against those of us who don't have masks to hide behind. Get a clue, people.
"The United States does not negotiate with terrorists."
Sound like an overreaction? It isn't. I guarantee that if the government chooses to respond publicly, this is what they'll say. And just like that, all the sane, rational people who also oppose ACTA and other bad copyright legislation are painted as terrorists too. Then comes the public backlash, where people make a serious move to end internet anonymity for good, because "the government should never be held hostage by a bunch of entitled teenagers in their parents' basement."
Every time Anon tries to strike a blow against a target like this, they will simply provoke the government into striking back--against those of us who don't have masks to hide behind. Get a clue, people.