Anonymous Strikes Back, Hacks "Internet Security" Firm

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nightwolf667

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It wasn't like the FBI was already behind the curve. When they searched and seized the computers of an Anon IRC Admin [https://www.infosecisland.com/blogview/11586-FBI-Acts-on-Another-Anonymous-DDoS-Search-Warrant.html] just a few days ago. Or when they stupidly admitted to the complicity of their own members arrested under suspicion as they declared "war" on the United Kingdom's government. [https://www.infosecisland.com/blogview/11407-Anonymous-Calls-UK-Arrests-a-Declaration-of-War.html] Or when they got legitimate activists arrested and likely killed in Tunisia [https://www.infosecisland.com/blogview/10773-OperationTunisia-Backfires-Activists-Rounded-Up.html] because pissing off dictatorships that are more than happy to pull the trigger on their own citizens sounds like a great plan.

Their ineffectual attempts in Egypt [https://www.infosecisland.com/blogview/11383-Anonymous-DDoS-Targets-Egyptian-Government-Sites-.html] and Zimbabwe.

Now they're adding identity theft (not that some of their members haven't already taken liberty with data lifted from Visa and Master Card), obstruction of justice, and a host of other crimes when they are caught. Not to mention if people are all complicit in the same crime as a group. (For obstruction of justice, interfering with a criminal investigation, interference with commerce, bank fraud, identity theft, etc.) Let us not forget that particularly their DDoSing crimes come with a 7,000 dollar fine and up to 10 years in prison. Each. Not to mention significant civil liability from all those companies (Visa, Mastercard, Amazon, Bank of America, PostFinance, etc) that they've wronged.

I suppose you can say they won't find all of them, but they don't need to. They may not be a coherent organization, but under the law it's likely that they'll be treated as one. Plus it's not like these governments aren't used to attempts at intimidation. It's not like they don't have the ability to strike back. Every attack Anonymous undertakes (whether under the banner of group or individual it doesn't matter so long as they're using the name "Anonymous") is going to lead the authorities back to them. Their "declaration of war" shows them to be stupidly naive about not only the law, but their understandings of protests (sit-ins can get you arrested for trespassing, and peaceful protesters can be arrested if A) they fail to get a permit and B) if they attempt to disrupt the business of the organization in question, you can protest someone going into Starbucks, you cannot however STOP THEM FROM ENTERING), and their own rights afforded to them under the constitution.

Anonymous is going to be charged as a group. That means if one individual was part of the attack, they're most likely going to have ALL the attacks and everything Anonymous has ever done that's illegal dumped on their heads. Now a good lawyer should be able to talk that down for them, but that's where this starts for the accused.

I'd advise them to stop now, but that won't happen. Unfortunately for Anon governments, law enforcement agencies, and security firms are used to intimidation tactics and death threats. They don't bother them and the threats of "hacktivists" (though they will surely be taken seriously) will be treated the way they deal with all terrorists, cyber or otherwise. The U.S (and I assume the U.K) does not negotiate with terrorists. All the bullying attempts in the world ain't gonna make them stop the investigation.
 

xXDeMoNiCXx

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These guys really seem to think they can't be touched and they're invincible. I gotta laugh at how cocky they are, like get over yourselves you're no better than thugs who pick fights with anyone that looks at them funny.
 

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RatRace123 said:
Hmm, I'm interested to see how this ends.
Prediction right now: the internet gets turned off. Yes it's an incredibly drastic move, but I calls 'em like I sees 'em.
Built to withstand nuclear war. It will easily out-last the huffs and puffs of politicians and anons
 

AKmontalvo

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Anton P. Nym said:
Mantonio said:
What crimes, pray tell? Protesting against Scientology? Defending Wikileaks? Revealing a sham of a security company that is taking peoples private information and selling it to the FBI? What?
I just found out that a friend of mine lost his business's server to a drive-by... not a targeted attack, just a random swipe with a zero-day flaw to burn anyone who could be burned. He's got a long, hard week of reconstruction ahead of him.

Today is not the day to convince me that this sort of shit is either justified or harmless fun.

-- Steve
Sorta the "Its fun till it happens to you" idea, Steve has got a solid example of how this can take a turn for the worst, as Anon fans are so eager to point out they are not an organization which means if we let them get out of control they will continue to do as they please in any direction or manner they choose, which will lead to innocent people like steve's bud losing their hard work and possibly livelyhoods to people who, because of aminninity and numbers, just dont care
A large problem now or a larger problem later, we're fighting the uphill fight but the smart fight in the long-run
Steve's bud will be avenged!
 

Sansha

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shakaar9267 said:
Daemascus said:
Dont this people have anything better to do? If they used all that time and energy on legal things they could make lots of money.
tony2077 said:
wow anonymous really needs to be taken out there too dangerous and too good at what they do
Agreed. 'Anonymous' are really just criminals who use ID theft to fund their crimes. Calling themselves 'heroes' is insulting to anybody who works for a living.
Anonymous has never stolen anything nor hurt anybody. Please don't be stupid.
 

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To be honest i doubt this was anon, who in there right mind would go to all this trouble and then go I hacked you ha ha ha ha, but then again this is under the assumption that anon actually exists and isn't just some random internet name you can just claim to be.

To be honest this is the equivalent of poking a lion with a stick. If there hunting you down actively going out of your way to anger them is not the best of policy's im sure they would at least have that much common seance.

On a side note, its weird to see that these methods still work. Especially in a case like this, im assuming he got fired right after this right.
 

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Sansha said:
shakaar9267 said:
Daemascus said:
Dont this people have anything better to do? If they used all that time and energy on legal things they could make lots of money.
tony2077 said:
wow anonymous really needs to be taken out there too dangerous and too good at what they do
Agreed. 'Anonymous' are really just criminals who use ID theft to fund their crimes. Calling themselves 'heroes' is insulting to anybody who works for a living.
Anonymous has never stolen anything nor hurt anybody. Please don't be stupid.
Aye. That's an unjustified speculation there, now isn't it? Anon's just a bunch of people on the internet who are a bit more complex than a greeting card. They're no criminals, but they've certainly got some illusions of grandeur and a ton of drama. They've done some immature net crap but no crimes, and they've shown support for people fighting for freedom.
 

Simriel

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shakaar9267 said:
Daemascus said:
Dont this people have anything better to do? If they used all that time and energy on legal things they could make lots of money.
tony2077 said:
wow anonymous really needs to be taken out there too dangerous and too good at what they do
Agreed. 'Anonymous' are really just criminals who use ID theft to fund their crimes. Calling themselves 'heroes' is insulting to anybody who works for a living.
Umm.... Anonymous doesn't need funding for their crimes, they aren't a full time organisation, nor are they a single easily defined group. Anyone who has an inclination to, is part of it. Most of them DO work for a living and simply do all this for 'The lulz'
 

tthor

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lol I don't even care whose right/wrong anymore, I just love to watch Anonymous humiliate these pathetic companies. w00t Anon!
 

Simriel

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Shjade said:
mythgraven said:
However, I do think the site is better served with quick and decisive derailment of "silly" and un-worthy content... If we engender a community where fluff/sensationalist articles arent called into question, then nothing will set us apart from our inferior peers.

I think The Escapist is the best, and because I think it is the best. Part of that means we must all be ready to take a discerning look at the content.
Let me get this straight: you want the same site that features Zero Punctuation [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation], The Big Picture [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2709-Magneto-Was-Right], Critical Miss [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/8543-Critical-Miss-Children-of-Steam-2] and a number of other webcomics, video series and often satiricial article themes to cut "silly" and "un-worthy" content, and all that counts as "worthy" is what interests you?

I think you've confused The Escapist for CNN. Specifically, a version of CNN in which you're the producer and/or editor-in-chief. This isn't a hard news outlet; it's an online magazine primarily aimed toward gaming, electronics, the internet and, key element, entertainment.

I am confused by your statement of displeasure at finding sushi on the menu when you chose to eat at a Japanese restaurant.
This is my new favorite post ever.
 

Josdeb

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Remember how some network wanted to make a reality show about hacking?

Can they please make a suped-up, fictional version of this? It's already entertaining and slightly hilarious to watch!
 

gigastrike

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What if...*dramatic pause*...the FBI wanted this to happen? ...Probably not, but I'm gonna laugh so hard that I fall out of my chair if I see a news story saying "every Anonymous member caught (here's all of their names), /b/ shut down, FBI throws party".

Anyway, Anonymous is a big chunk of the reason why I think freedom is over-rated.
 

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agnosticOCD said:
Ken Sapp said:
My only thought is that Anonymous is treading on dangerous territory. They may be able to get away with their normal tricks but Government don't like having their noses tweaked.
Governments only have their military and police to do the dirty work for them, but if the government is taken down, all the guns will be useless and when governments resort to guns to police the internet, that just means they've lost.
Governments don't magically get "taken down" overnight. Anonymous is not an armed force, and as much as they like to toot their horns and play their tricks they are not an organized force and they are not anonymous. So far they have not been worth the trouble to pursue in earnest, but should they cross the line too far they will find themselves facing more trouble than they know how to deal with.
 

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this is what happens when you fuck the faceless masses
the people are the power
and while anon dosnt represent everyone its the majority
its always been the same
 

Simriel

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Calbeck said:
"How exactly do you plan to fight a group that has no organization, Hoglund?"

Considering that you already mentioned that 40 Anons were house-searched by the FBI and 5 others arrested already?

Apparently, by investigating their membership, following the chain as Anon members unable to flee the microscope start giving up their friends, and putting them in jail for committing felonies.

Just a thought, mindja.
Arresting 40 members of anon is like dipping a cup into the ocean and collecting the water it can store. Those individual drops are changed but you have made no impact on body of water.
 

agnosticOCD

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Ken Sapp said:
agnosticOCD said:
Ken Sapp said:
My only thought is that Anonymous is treading on dangerous territory. They may be able to get away with their normal tricks but Government don't like having their noses tweaked.
Governments only have their military and police to do the dirty work for them, but if the government is taken down, all the guns will be useless and when governments resort to guns to police the internet, that just means they've lost.
Governments don't magically get "taken down" overnight. Anonymous is not an armed force, and as much as they like to toot their horns and play their tricks they are not an organized force and they are not anonymous. So far they have not been worth the trouble to pursue in earnest, but should they cross the line too far they will find themselves facing more trouble than they know how to deal with.
They can't all be found, not at the cost of innocent lives, and I never said Anon had the muscle to take down the government, but a state is proven weak if it resorts to guns to police its people, and Anon wouldn't be out for blood against the US government unless the state has done something that goes too far like martial law or lock down or whatever, and so far Anon has only created movements with other movements, they themselves don't seem to have an agenda other than supporting people.
 

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Let me just say, i personally think Anonymous is the only thing standing between the goverment, and total control of the internet.

Ive always loved Anon. Theyer jokes, strange crusades and quests against non-existant or otherwise harmless "enemys".

But this. This litterally proves my point. Anonymous is more then just a collection of harmless internet nerds, trolling childrens sites and waging war on snow. No, they are real. And they are here to stay, AND FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF THE INTERNET AND ITS BRIDGE DWELLING KIND!

Also, this is the most lol's worthy topic ive read all week.
 

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one of my favourite things about this story is that they reference Rule 14 (Don't argue with Trolls, it means they win).

It's a really nice reminder of the tongue-in-cheek humour they use because they can. They don't have some corporate boss telling them how to phrase stuff, so they put tits and jokes on everything. Why not? If I hacked that site, and knew the name of the CEO, I'd have just replaced it with a fictional story about his/her spouse getting done in the ass by a guy wearing a V-mask.
 

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I'm laughing at most of these posts, especially the ones that "can't wait till anonymous gets arrested, stupid teenagers lololol"

Anonymous isn't /b/, it isn't a website, it isn't a community. Anonymous is what it means, having no known name or identity or known source. There are no people in charge, just people.

Think of a model earth, with every person a green, blue or red dot. Every minute, a random amount of green/blue dots turn red, and a random amount of red dots turn green/blue. Each red dot is someone who supports anonymous' ideas and participates in what the ideas support. Each green dot is a citizen that either doesn't know about anonymous, or doesn't support them. While each blue dot is the FBI/someone out to get anon.

Now, imagine some blue dots attack a group of people, blanking out both green and red dots. This changes nothing, because the green dots will still turn red. In fact, the green dots around the green dots blanked out might get angry, and turn red faster.

Now, put a mask around the model of the Earth, that makes every single dot purple or blue, purple being a person not in the FBI, and blue still being the FBI. The only thing the blue dots can do is potentially make a hole in the mask, showing some red dots temporarily.

Goddamn, I'm not sure if I can understand my own post.
 

sleekie

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It is getting pretty hard to ignore how oppressive our governments are becoming.

It is therefore getting pretty hard to not cheer when everyday people defy The Man, even in an ultimately pointless manner such as this. It's more than most of us will do.