Are you a "nice guy"?

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faspxina said:
Glass Joe the Champ said:
And to the .01% of this site that are women, what exactly is bad or unattractive about "nice guys" anyway?.
You already answered that question when you referenced the "nice guy" as "Someone who lets other people walk all over them in an attempt to please everyone".

Would you be genuinely interested in someone like that, or would you just feel pity?
I loved Felicia Day's character in "The Guild", does that count?

Honestly, not to be primitive and sexist, but guys generally view this as less of a problem regarding women. Not that women should be submissive in any way, but generally speaking, it's more socially acceptable in our society for a girl to not always stand up for herself.

Not saying it should be that way, but that's how things currently are.
 

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Glass Joe the Champ said:
Hey guys, just asked a lady friend out today, and I got the whole "You a really nice guy, but..." speech about "not wanting to ruin our friendship" and inevitably ended with "...but I still want to stay friends." [small](Except she's going to avoid me like the plague from now on, so it's not like we're really going to stay friends)[/small] Story of my life...

[/useless whining]

Anyway, is anyone else here a "nice guy" in other people's eyes? By "nice guy" I mean someone who tries to be courteous and polite to everyone, but comes off having no confidence or masculinity. Someone who has a lot of friends that are girls, but no girlfriend. Someone who when they like a girl, makes the mistake of becoming their close platonic friend because they're too timid to ask them out. Someone who lets other people walk all over them in an attempt to please everyone. Ect, ect...

[small](In some circles, this is also known as being a "huge, spineless pussy".)[/small]

I've been trying to get rid of the "nice guy" persona for some time now and be more confident and assertive, but I keep falling back into old habits. Does anyone else have this problem? And to the .01% of this site that are women, what exactly is bad or unattractive about "nice guys" anyway?

Oh, and sorry if this topic's been done to death. I couldn't find anything on the search bar, but I have a feeling it's been done before.
Happened to me before, got the exact same thing "too nice a guy, just want to be friends" etc. But you know what, if that's not what they want then that's not what they want & later they might find out differently.
That's my outlook on it.
P.s. Yes, I do also hate it when they use this line though.
 

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Whatever you do, do NOT listen to PUAs (Pick Up Artists), there schtic about beta and alpha males may seem like it applies to you, but do not listen to those douchebags.

Without wanting to sound harsh, maybe it isn't that girls don't like "nice-guys" but maybe it's something about you that isn't so "nice". I'm almost 100% sure that most girls don't actually like assholes, and I suspect most would want their boy/girlfriends to be nice.

Edit: or on the other side of the spectrum (or possibly equally as harsh) maybe the girl is just letting you down easy by saying you're too nice?
 

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I'm a nice guy, not a "nice guy" mind you but a guy who is nice. I have absolutely no problem telling people to fuck off and the like. But if they are my friends then I am nice to them. My suggestion, while being nice make it clear that you are interested in her, give her a daring smile or a wink or something.
 

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Nope, I'm not a "nice guy". ;)

As for what women find attractive in men, well I don't find anything attractive in men.

Yay me for being super helpful!
 

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Glass Joe the Champ said:
Hey guys, just asked a lady friend out today, and I got the whole "You a really nice guy, but..." speech about "not wanting to ruin our friendship" and inevitably ended with "...but I still want to stay friends." [small](Except she's going to avoid me like the plague from now on, so it's not like we're really going to stay friends)[/small] Story of my life...

[/useless whining]

Anyway, is anyone else here a "nice guy" in other people's eyes? By "nice guy" I mean someone who tries to be courteous and polite to everyone, but comes off having no confidence or masculinity. Someone who has a lot of friends that are girls, but no girlfriend. Someone who when they like a girl, makes the mistake of becoming their close platonic friend because they're too timid to ask them out. Someone who lets other people walk all over them in an attempt to please everyone. Ect, ect...

[small](In some circles, this is also known as being a "huge, spineless pussy".)[/small]

I've been trying to get rid of the "nice guy" persona for some time now and be more confident and assertive, but I keep falling back into old habits. Does anyone else have this problem? And to the .01% of this site that are women, what exactly is bad or unattractive about "nice guys" anyway?

Oh, and sorry if this topic's been done to death. I couldn't find anything on the search bar, but I have a feeling it's been done before.
Pretty much me. Except I've finally got a girlfriend. (20 and about time)

FrostyChick said:
Nope, I'm not a "nice guy". ;)

As for what women find attractive in men, well I don't find anything attractive in men.

Yay me for being super helpful!
That's cold!
 

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I'm a nice guy when I am single. However when I am in a relationship I am kinda sarcastic (but only in the joking way)
 

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EverythingIncredible said:
It's nice to know that the old stereotype of girls liking jerks is FINALLY going away.
It will never go away I'm afraid. I should probably make a thread about more than half of the guys I liked who went to slutty, more attractive girls rather than me but I have a lovely boyfriend now so I'm not butthurt. [sub]That sounded kinkier that it should e_e[/sub]If I can find love, anyone can.

And to the .01% of this site that are women, what exactly is bad or unattractive about "nice guys" anyway?
I hope that 0.1% was um... what's the opposite of hyperbole? Whatever it is, I hope it was that.
There's nothing unattractive about nice guys, but just because you're a nice guy doesn't mean we're going to be attracted to you. There's a bit more to liking a guy than that, although it does help a lot.
We (read: me :p) like a bit of backbone for a partner, a man that'd stand up to us and for us if they had to.
It makes sense in my head!
 

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I am kind, humorous, but very draconian when it comes to rules and regulations. And if something "wrong" is going on...oh I'm a malevolent hearted asshole. Just to fight back and stand my ground of course. I have no grey areas within my system at all. I am either kind and compassionate, or brutal and merciless.

I am usually nice if that is what you are asking, but if someone turns on me, rubs me the wrong way, or does something cruel to me...I tend to overlook it and go on, but it's ACTUALLY wrong...may God help you.
 

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robotv56 said:
I think the real problem here is that you got rejected by this chick, she's probably under the spell of another dude. And chances are, if you're my definition of a "nice guy" she should come around once she notices the jock she's going after is a total douche bag. Or if she doesn't notice she'll be living in hell for a wile.
oh i know. girl i was interested in was already dating a guy when i met her. still is. she's engaged now. guys is a complete asshole and an attention whore. not kidding and not exaggerating i knew him before i met her and thought this well before i liked her. hell he the only reason he proposed to her was because she was PISSED at him and was IGNORING him. went to the movies with her once with a group of friends he wasn't in town a the time, went to eat after the movie and the meal was her complaining about the shit he pulls with her. and how she writes it down sometimes like a diary to relive stress and has several FULL NOTE BOOKS of just that. i have met to meet a friend of hers that hasn't told her he may not be right for her.

needles to say i'm a bit bitter about that.
 

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Being the nice guy has always left me in the friend zone, but it's also caused me to miss some opportunity between asking people out.

Case and Point, I dont share my feelings with others, but others always share feelings with me, causing me to feel closer. But when Guy A tells me he likes Girl B, And i also like Girl B, I put my feelings in a bottle and leave them aside and give full support to Guy A.

Leaving me to the time old saying of "Nice guys finish last."

/thought if i were first in a race would i actually give it up to someone who desperately needed it? Ans: I dont know...
 

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Kurokami said:
FrostyChick said:
Nope, I'm not a "nice guy". ;)

As for what women find attractive in men, well I don't find anything attractive in men.

Yay me for being super helpful!
That's cold!
Well best to be direct now, than crush your hopes later.

I mean wouldn't you rather be told the hot chick is a lesbian straight away than get to know her, develop a crush on her only to find out she's genetically programmed to not be interested in you?
 

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I'm a decent enough guy, but I punctuate it with enough asshole that I don't come across as a "nice guy."

I'm more of a jerk with a heart of gold. Not how I would have put it, but that's what one of my friends described me as once.

I prefer "Bastard coated bastard with bastard filling." XD
 

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Glass Joe the Champ said:
Hey guys, just asked a lady friend out today, and I got the whole "You a really nice guy, but..." speech about "not wanting to ruin our friendship" and inevitably ended with "...but I still want to stay friends." [small](Except she's going to avoid me like the plague from now on, so it's not like we're really going to stay friends)[/small] Story of my life...

[/useless whining]

Anyway, is anyone else here a "nice guy" in other people's eyes? By "nice guy" I mean someone who tries to be courteous and polite to everyone, but comes off having no confidence or masculinity. Someone who has a lot of friends that are girls, but no girlfriend. Someone who when they like a girl, makes the mistake of becoming their close platonic friend because they're too timid to ask them out. Someone who lets other people walk all over them in an attempt to please everyone. Ect, ect...

[small](In some circles, this is also known as being a "huge, spineless pussy".)[/small]

I've been trying to get rid of the "nice guy" persona for some time now and be more confident and assertive, but I keep falling back into old habits. Does anyone else have this problem? And to the .01% of this site that are women, what exactly is bad or unattractive about "nice guys" anyway?

Oh, and sorry if this topic's been done to death. I couldn't find anything on the search bar, but I have a feeling it's been done before.
I'm a nice guy, and I got lucky and now have an amazing girlfriend, in fact it was our 2 year anniversery last week
 

artanis_neravar

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FrostyChick said:
Kurokami said:
FrostyChick said:
Nope, I'm not a "nice guy". ;)

As for what women find attractive in men, well I don't find anything attractive in men.

Yay me for being super helpful!
That's cold!
Well best to be direct now, than crush your hopes later.

I mean wouldn't you rather be told the hot chick is a lesbian straight away than get to know her, develop a crush on her only to find out she's genetically programmed to not be interested in you?
...is this a trick question? If I answer this honestly are people going to jump out of white vans and kidnap me?
 
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The following may be difficult for some folks to grasp:

First off, women often like nice guys. Which is to say, they like those of us who have cultured within ourselves a modicum of civility, who take the ethic of reciprocity seriously, and give an even regard to others. This is far from being, as Glass Joe the Champ suggests, a huge, spineless pussy, but merely a gentleman.

However, they like sincerity [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sincerity] more. A jackass who treats a woman as an equal (and is a jackass to everybody equally) is favorable to a guy who is nice to her because from his perspective she's a vagina connected to a life-support system. (Consider those women who are nice to you, but regard you as a cash cow. How appealing are they?)

It comes down to this: we all want to be regarded as human beings, as equals. And many of us are so desperate to get laid (or to get a meal ticket) that to protect ourselves from such people, we've developed a great deal of (healthy) suspicion about the motives of otherwise desirable strangers. Much of our flirting and courtship is determining whether or not the other person is being genuine, only after which is compatibility considered.

So, Glass Joe, if you're nice to people to get in their favor (and later their pants), quit it. Figure out who you really are, and learn to be comfortable with that. (If you turn out to be cruel, angry and embittered, then you might want to work on your attitude, but that's a different matter entirely). But if you're a nice guy because you're just inclined towards cordial, polite behavior, keep it up and a worthy girl (or five) will eventually work this out and snatch you up. (Of course, you have to be in places where you meet new people. Loners like me don't get propositioned much.)

Secondly, women are as human as men. Which is to say that young women often don't know what they want any more than men do (other than to have sex with a healthy partner). Here in the United States, we are terrible at preparing our young people for intimate relationships or in the art of choosing prospective partners. Rather, they are usually left learning by trial-and-error what kind of girl / boy would be good match and they end up getting burned a lot. That said, you may be rejected by a woman who is otherwise a perfectly good match because she's not ready, has been hurt too recently, and presumes that all guys are unworthy. Don't take that personally.

But to surmise that being nice makes you look weak, or that women generally prefer jerks both oversimplify a much more complicated paradigm.

238U.