Bashing the P0rnz

[Gentile]

You're the one making the point, back it up. Don't ask me to prove your point for you, especially when the information I've already seen on the subject contradicts you. If you have real information then post it by all means, but your other arguments seem completely ass-backwards, so it's hard to imagine you've actually researched this one thoroughly.

http://www.shelleylubben.com/pornstars

Didn't think I had to bring this into light. Ohwel.

 

[AugustFall]

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I'm one of those people who believes that the next time he sees a naked woman would be his future wife. And that she would be worth the wait. Because you know - I like to not get divorced in the future. One of the failings of my parents.

That's how I work towards that goal aite? Cool. Just a little case of "in my opinion" - y'know. :]

Correct, in your opinion. Not the opinion of others. Other people, and I don't think I'm wrong in saying the bulk of people, don't hold such belief. You'll find though that the reason couples of old didn't get divorced was not because they only had sex with their wives and husbands but because it wasn't socially acceptable.
I hate the whole "worth the wait" thing. There is more to a long term relationship than "I get to have sex with her."

 

[Kurokami]

I don't think there's been enough of these up for debate these days - So that's reason enough to start one. I will be bashing the thing that takes up 12% of the internet. I'll try to be as factual as possible as to avoid epic backlash for ignoring the facts (Because facts make people happy durrhurr) so please - Feel free to comment on anything. :]

Give or take one or two people in the free world, It's quite safe to say that everybody has viewed pornographic material on the internet to some degree.

/Proof http://www.spike.com/video/truth-about-internet/3052562

Despite being so popular (in the free world at least). It has perhaps unintentionally become the main outlet by which children get introduced to sexuality these days. Which seems to give public schools greater incentive to lower the grade in which sexual education begins. You could probably argue that exposing sexuality to children at such a young age has it's pros and cons but imo - It just adds more fuel to a nasty trend recently where kids' minds become eroticized before they can learn to truly find an appreciation for the ethics behind sexual relations. My take on your normal teenager in high school is that they are essentially hedonists, although most try to hide that fact. If you have any historical perspective on this sort of thing, its actually a recent development in the free world.~

I could go on to talk about the effect of the industry on the actors and actresses involved, but i'm sure we can all agree that we would definitely not wish for anybody we care about to be involved in this business for their own good. What with all the chances of diseases, unwanted pregnancy, physical and emotional turmoil, and such. Right? :] Yes that's why i'll let the focus of this discussion be on you, dear porn viewer. But if you wish to include this factor in your response. Then go right ahead.

If porn was gone, my life would be like watching a well lit aquarium, except it would be a well lit screen. And nothing in it.

What I've read from your post really was "Porn saves parents and children an awkward conversation", that + sex ed went quite well, it was like learning the theory and then seeing it in practice, partially anyway.

 

[Gentile]

Correct, in your opinion. Not the opinion of others. Other people, and I don't think I'm wrong in saying the bulk of people, don't hold such belief. You'll find though that the reason couples of old didn't get divorced was not because they only had sex with their wives and husbands but because it wasn't socially acceptable.
I hate the whole "worth the wait" thing. There is more to a long term relationship than "I get to have sex with her."

You're right. the bulk of people don't hold such belief. But i'm pretty sure that couples who do stay married are couples who have not cheated on one another.

The "worth the wait" thing is a countenance to people who do wish to have sex before marriage. Not "I get to have sex with her. Woohoo."

 

[Gentile]

Something tells me that you're the type of person who believes that our raw human instincts to reproduce were put there as 'tests' by some ulterior motive.
Basically arguing with you is gonna be impossible and I'd like to end this on a note wherein you don't tell me that sex before marriage is wrong.

We're humans. Not animals. I don't think anybody ever called up a hooker to feed their raw human instincts to reproduce.

As for your second point. I agree. end of discussion.

 

[face_head_mouth]

And how does any of this change with porn?

If you've been sexually active with more than one partner in your life, then something must have told you in your mind that it's acceptable. So why not take a look at the most obvious thing that screams "Oh hey, look at us - we're having sex with x number of people."

You're making a pretty big assumption here about what's natural for humans sexually. Who's to say that monogamy is more natural than having as many sexual partners as we can?

I'm certainly not advocating that people go out and try to have sex as often as possible or that we shouldn't strive to have intimate, long-lasting relationships; I'm just disputing the idea that people got the idea of promiscuity from pornography.

We are hardwired to want to have sex with as many people as we can in order to procreate and further our species. That, and not pornography, is why we desire so many sex partners. We had to evolve as a species before we could begin to get past the use of sex as solely a means of reproduction. We are still fighting urges that have been with us for millions of years.

 

[Gentile]

If porn was gone, my life would be like watching a well lit aquarium, except it would be a well lit screen. And nothing in it.

What I've read from your post really was "Porn saves parents and children an awkward conversation", that + sex ed went quite well, it was like learning the theory and then seeing it in practice, partially anyway.

Sex ed has it's benefits, non-prudish parents talking to their kids has it's benefits. But you're one of the few people who do imply that you regularly watch porn. I applaud you for that~

 

[QuantumT]

We're humans. Not animals. I don't think anybody ever called up a hooker to feed their raw human instincts to reproduce.

Umm... so you're saying they're calling up a hooker for some reason other than desire to have sex?

 

[Gentile]

Note to Gentile: Humans ARE animals. But I guess that point can't be argued with you.

Nope, not at all.

End of discussion.

 

[Gentile]

Umm... so you're saying they're calling up a hooker for some reason other than desire to have sex?

See: Reproduce.

 

[Gentile]

You're making a pretty big assumption here about what's natural for humans sexually. Who's to say that monogamy is more natural than having as many sexual partners as we can?

I'm certainly not advocating that people go out and try to have sex as often as possible or that we shouldn't strive to have intimate, long-lasting relationships; I'm just disputing the idea that people got the idea of promiscuity from pornography.

We are hardwired to want to have sex with as many people as we can in order to procreate and further our species. That, and not pornography, is why we desire so many sex partners. We had to evolve as a species before we could begin to get past the use of sex as means of reproduction. We are still fighting urges that have been with us for millions of years.

And yet 93% of people still get married and are expected not to pursue any further sex partners.

But I guess that's just opinion. Well fine :] You can have your own truths.

 

[Blanko2]

I agree with everything you said but this. The average pregnancy age in my area has dropped from 17 to 14 in recent years. That may be from this community generally sucking ass, though.

if they were sucking ass they wouldnt get pregnant.
HAH! so there!

 

[AugustFall]

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You're right. the bulk of people don't hold such belief. But i'm pretty sure that couples who do stay married are couples who have not cheated on one another.

The "worth the wait" thing is a countenance to people who do wish to have sex before marriage. Not "I get to have sex with her. Woohoo."

Who said anything about cheating? Cheating is a scumbaggish thing to do. Having sex before marriage =/= cheating.

As to your second point I'd like to ask you to rephrase because it honestly makes no sense. I'm not being a grammar nazi. Countenance as a noun there makes no sense.

 

[4484448444844484]

Ok, look. This guy just joined the site today. Look at the OP. And look at the posts he has been making to defend his claims. STOP FEEDING THE TROLL.

 

[OptimisticPessimist]

Why do I suddenly get the feeling this will turn into a religeous debate? Dear god, I hope that doesn't happen.

 

[Gentile]

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You're right. the bulk of people don't hold such belief. But i'm pretty sure that couples who do stay married are couples who have not cheated on one another.

The "worth the wait" thing is a countenance to people who do wish to have sex before marriage. Not "I get to have sex with her. Woohoo."

Who said anything about cheating? Cheating is a scumbaggish thing to do. Having sex before marriage =/= cheating.

As to your second point I'd like to ask you to rephrase because it honestly makes no sense. I'm not being a grammar nazi. Countenance as a noun there makes no sense.

I am so sorry. I meant "to counteract the belief that premarital sex is worth pursuing." You may be a grammar nazi here because I deserve it. I failed epic.

 

[kouriichi]

Theres nothing wrong with porn.
Better then having a bunch of 14 yearolds running around trying to rape eachother.

 

[QuantumT]

Umm... so you're saying they're calling up a hooker for some reason other than desire to have sex?

See: Reproduce.

The reason animals have a sexual drive is because of the importance of reproduction.

It's the same as my drive to eat. I get hungry because eating is important.

 

[Gentile]

Why do I suddenly get the feeling this will turn into a religeous debate? Dear god, I hope that doesn't happen.

Other than the fact that I do truly hold religious beliefs.

I see no reason for this to turn into a religous debate. Ha.

 

[face_head_mouth]

You're making a pretty big assumption here about what's natural for humans sexually. Who's to say that monogamy is more natural than having as many sexual partners as we can?

I'm certainly not advocating that people go out and try to have sex as often as possible or that we shouldn't strive to have intimate, long-lasting relationships; I'm just disputing the idea that people got the idea of promiscuity from pornography.

We are hardwired to want to have sex with as many people as we can in order to procreate and further our species. That, and not pornography, is why we desire so many sex partners. We had to evolve as a species before we could begin to get past the use of sex as means of reproduction. We are still fighting urges that have been with us for millions of years.

And yet 93% of people still get married and are expected not to pursue any further sex partners.

But I guess that's just opinion. Well fine :] You can have your own truths.

Don't get me wrong: marriage (or just having long-lasting relationships) is good for the stability of society, and also for our emotional and spiritual well-being. I'm just saying that there are powerful biological forces inside of us that desire sexual partners, and they aren't always so easy to deal with. These urges didn't originate with pornography: instead, pornography itself (which has existed in some form for thousands of years) was created in an attempt to deal with them.

I may as well throw this out there, while I'm at it: what about couples who watch pornography together and use it as a tool in their intimate relationships?