Bay Goes From Transformers to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

[Zersy]

You all complain too much.

I'll go watch it .

 

[lightsier]

Actually, Vanilla Ice is a pretty cool dude now, he's more like Casey Jones me thinks.

 

[DeathWyrmNexus]

*sigh* I love how Bay Apologists basically take the route of attacking the material we grew up with to say that Bay can't ruin it. He managed to ruin Transformers at least in the heart of what it was supposed to be about so yes, he can ruin TMNT. I honestly regret the fact that he will get some of my money because I have to see it to know what he did wrong with the off chance that he didn't butcher it.

That is what really galls me, I'm going to watch it anyway just to be sure...

 

[theamazingbean]

I think Michael Bay is doing this on purpose. He might just be one the most epic IRL trolls ever. Right now, he is probably leaning back, on his throne made of airplane modeling glue and hundred dollar bills, and chuckling at the dismayed reactions of the internet.

 

[VanityGirl]

The best thing Micheal Bay ever did.

 

[Clunks]

If he's only producing the movie, then I don't know what everybody's worried about. Save your cries of "NNNNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!" for when he takes up the director's chair.

 

[Russian_Assassin]

Let me guess, this film will be yet another 2 hour teen love story that somehow involves the army and giant explosions accompanied by bloom effects and a US flag somehow worked into the picture all the time with, at best, 15 minutes showing the actual Turtles.

Spoiler: Big image

SO FUCKING ADORABLE! But yes, sinister cat, we are all 'not amused'.

 

[axnxgxixe]

ARE THERE NO MORE ORIGINAL MOVIE IDEAS???????

Seriously. Just about everything that has come out or is coming out is a remake, sequel, or making a movie out of something that already existed in a different form.

Plus, let's be serious. No one asked for another TMNT movie. And another one is definitely not needed.

 

[DustyDrB]

ARE THERE NO MORE ORIGINAL MOVIE IDEAS???????

Seriously. Just about everything that has come out or is coming out is a remake, sequel, or making a movie out of something that already existed in a different form.

Plus, let's be serious. No one asked for another TMNT movie. And another one is definitely not needed.

Summer is not known for being a time when the daring and original are on display. It's the time for dumb (really really dumb) fun. Sometimes without the fun. Inception looks awesome, though.

 

[Primus1985]

Both Transformers movies made hundreds of millions of dollars, obviously somebody must enjoy them.

Correlation not causation. A lot of people watched them, but if you replace the Transformers in the film with the Gundam, Gobots or any other robots, the same people would enjoy those films.

That makes it not a Transformer film, just a big robot film.

(I do)

And I don't diss you for that.

If people hate him so much, dont see his movies!

Therein lies the rub. Lots of non-Transformer fans see it because of the sex+explosions. Lots of Transformer fans see it because of the name.

What the franchise fans are still missing (and now can't get to see because of the licence) is a film about the Transformers, which is why the fans rant.

Just that simple, and if enough people dont see said movie guess what? He wont remake another franchise.

Not that simple. People want to see a summer blockbuster, and will see it regardless of its merit. Some of those fans will be happy with booty shots and explosions, regardless of the context. But it's the use of context/franchise with no reference to it that infuriates.

Heed my advise Escapist, im tired of all the Bay-hate and maybe this will be a way to settle the debate(and get Moviebob to stop mentioning it every three seconds in his reviews)

It won't be, and the main reason is that Bay will keep taking ready made franchises and throwing in his own blend of microwave-meals movies on top of them. No effort, no re-writes, loads of money, and a new horde of slavering fans that think their version is the real one.

If you want to get n million people to have a good time, get the lot of them drunk on hype, stick some sexiness in and end in a big explosion. That doesn't make it a good film, and it certainly doesn't make it a Transformers film. It just makes it a summer blockbuster.

And what chance do the original franchise fans have? See the film they've been dreaming of (even though they know it's crap) or get crucified by the leagues of people who enjoyed a film designed to play on their base emotions?

Bay cannot make a good film. He can take a great story and use it as a background to retell the same story that always makes money. What he also does in the same hand-wave is add in his own personal prejudices and biases.

Want proof? Watch what happens with SATC2. Hideously overblown budget, stupid script, repulsive message, critics pan it - and I bet it still makes a profit. Exactly the same with Twilight and for the same reasons. It takes a great premise and then feeds the audience with their own preconceptions/aspirations.

Result: Huge box office, lots of new fans. No relation to the power of the original.

Ok are you one of those that grew up with G1? Because like it sounds like you want a direct version of that on screen. My god what worked in 1985 doesnt hold up in 2010. Could it have been more in tune with the original yes. Should have been Spike not Sam, and his dad, actually a very good actor in his role, could have been a mechanic and all that.

While I dont agree with a few script choices doesnt mean im so much of a stubborn shrill geek I expect everything to be perfect. Different media translates differently.

Example: Transformers: Cybertron(or Galaxy Force as it is know outside the states) had more of a anime feel to it. At first I just overlooked it but once I got over the CGI and the fact Optimus was still a firetruck, I found a great story underneath that had elements of G1 in it.

What i think I mean is, lighten up and grow up. Personally I've always wanted to see how humans would react to Autobots fighting Decepticons on city streets. And it was cool to see them fight back instead of run and flee. And im glad they actually can fight alongside the Autobots, they should have toned down the human charecters a bit but over all cool.

And besides would you rather have someone like Bay who is great at action and have them actually fighting, or would you rather the robots stand around and talk for 2 hours?

 

[Hiroshi Mishima]

I'm a HUGE TMNT fan and, to be honest?
I don't mind. The Turtles have never been about developed stories, deep characters or any real quality that makes a "good movie". The Turtles have always been, to me, about bad jokes, bad jokes about ninjas, bad jokes about turtles, and some okay action. Michael Bay makes entertaining films. I LOVED Bad Boys I&II, because they were entertaining. They were stupid, they weren't all that funny, but man were they entertaining as hell to watch. That's what I want out of a Turtles movie, that's what I can expect with Bay. Hell, I don't even not mind:
I'm excited.

Don't like quoteing but I'm going to this time...

I am also a big TMNT fan since the 80's the day I first saw the old cartoon. It had good writing, adequate plots, top of the line humour, and knew how to mix action in with other things. If Michael "It's all about the Ladies" Bay gives to TMNT what he did to Transformers, I will be very sad. As nice as it was to SEE new Transformers material, I didn't like the way it forgot to focus on the Transformers themselves, yes even the second one failed to do it right because at the center of everything.. was that stupid boy.

Oh, and I only liked the first Bad Boys, the second one was lacking.

 

[ProtoChimp]

Sound of every TMNT fan rageing in 3...2...

1 *takes a very deep breath* FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU...

 

[Zarthek]

In opposition to 2007's TMNT, which used computer-generated turtles, Bay's film is presumed to be based on the 1990s live-action Turtles films.

Hrmm... Well it may work... with tons of green screen and editing...
But honestly... I don't think this is a good idea, and I'm expecting Moviebob to mention it (probably pissed off) in Friday's video.

 

[Hiroshi Mishima]

Ok are you one of those that grew up with G1? Because like it sounds like you want a direct version of that on screen. My god what worked in 1985 doesnt hold up in 2010. Could it have been more in tune with the original yes. Should have been Spike not Sam, and his dad, actually a very good actor in his role, could have been a mechanic and all that.

I was one of those people who grew up with G1, and I happen to think it'd work fine today. The original Transformers the movie had a ton of action, even some very disturbing material for a supposedly "kiddy cartoon movie" as a lot of people seem to think cartoon movies are. Yes it had some humour, but at the end it had a lot of gritty moments. Basically almost anything with Unicron in it in the movie tended to involve death and/or dramatic moments.

Personally I still think that movies made in 1980's are easily better than a LOT of the movies made today. It's like how I would have loved to have seen a Ghostbusters 3, but I fear what it'd become in today's age when so many good concepts are run into the ground. Marmaduke never talked but he's gotten the Garfield treatment in his new movie. I'm not a big fan of the guy doing the Avatar: The Last Airbender movie, but I am a fan of the show's concept, so I'm going to see it. I hope it'll be good but so far, I get the feeling all the best scenes will have been in the trailer.

I'm simply saying that what worked in the 1980's COULD work today if people actually bothered to make movies that aren't sheer action + sex + explosions as they seem to often be. Remember Star Trek? Hell remember what happened with the new Star Wars Trilogy? He didn't fucking follow the formula from the original trilogy and pretty much said Screw You to the original fans. That's what Bay does with movies like Transformers and will probably do with TMNT.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Ok are you one of those that grew up with G1? Because like it sounds like you want a direct version of that on screen.

Nope, this will do.


This is what the Transformers is, was and always has been.

What i think I mean is, lighten up and grow up.

Son, we don't flame here.

And besides would you rather have someone like Bay who is great at action and have them actually fighting, or would you rather the robots stand around and talk for 2 hours?

But he isn't. There's many directors that are superior to Bay's ADHD camera work. People with style, grace and who can make combat work on differing levels. Not just thrust titties and glare at you.

 

[robinkom]

Couldn't even bring myself to watch the 2007 TMNT movie... I'm firmly a fan of the original film and sort of the second one. Fuck the third movie.

Transformers was fucked up across the board with him, the non-existent robots were essentially non-existent props around a bunch of one-dimensional characters played by one-dimensional actors. On the bright side, those movies aren't canon so that don't have to count for anything.

As for Ninja Turtles, the original movie is a knockdown drag out work of fucking art! Everything was perfect in that film. EVERYTHING. Bay's gonna fuck it up. You know it and I know it. Remember, Nickelodeon now owns the rights to the TMNT franchise... how violent do you think this is going to be? How heavily visceral do you think the action will be? "Not very" is the answer. If Michael Bay can't ruin this movie, Nickelodeon will have already done it by default.

And there goes any nerdy stupid hope of Vanilla Ice making an appearance to do a Grindcore Metal version of "Ninja Rap." XD

 

[robinkom]

Ok are you one of those that grew up with G1? Because like it sounds like you want a direct version of that on screen.

Nope, this will do.


This is what the Transformers is, was and always has been.

What i think I mean is, lighten up and grow up.

Son, we don't flame here.

And besides would you rather have someone like Bay who is great at action and have them actually fighting, or would you rather the robots stand around and talk for 2 hours?

But he isn't. There's many directors that are superior to Bay's ADHD camera work. People with style, grace and who can make combat work on differing levels. Not just thrust titties and glare at you.

The sad thing is... that game trailer looked better than either Bay film. I always felt like there was some kind of paranoia about doing a completely animated modern film based on the fact that the 1986 Transformers movie didn't perform so well at the box office. But that was traditional animation and I like that movie better to this day. Now, if they had done a full CG-animated, gritty and dark looking film like this game trailer looks, it just may have been an improvement.

The bottom line on both live-action films is summed up as "Who are all these people? Why are they showing us angsty High School kids and nonsensical bullshit!? More Transformers, damnit! Their name IS the FUCKING TITLE!"

 

[Seatownstriker]

........Go ahead and rip my heart out Michael Bay! This man is out to destroy my childhood memories. Gahhhh!

 

[GloatingSwine]

Ok are you one of those that grew up with G1? Because like it sounds like you want a direct version of that on screen.

Something that acknowledged that the Transformers are actual characters would have been nice. As it was, with little to no focus on them they didn't have time to develop any actual character, whereas there was a veritable legion of squishies, mostly annoying, who got lots of completely irrelevant character exposition.

The precise identities and relatioships of the squishies doesn't matter, there should have been far less of them and far more actual character development of the Transformers.

Of course, just because the point of squishies is to show how fucking awesome giant transforming robots are is no excuse for Shia LeBoeuf. Sari in Transformers: Animated has more stones than him, and she's an eight year old girl.

And besides would you rather have someone like Bay who is great at action and have them actually fighting, or would you rather the robots stand around and talk for 2 hours?

Ironically, there are few actual action scenes in the Transformers movies, instead we get scenes with annoying fat hackers and annoying roommates and Sam's stoned mom. Giant Robots waxing lyrical for two hours probably would have been preferable.