BioWare Co-Founder Promises Closure For Mass Effect 3

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Art Axiv

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McMullen said:
Art Axiv said:
I know I will pay for the DLC.
I'm a weak man.
This is why we can't have nice things. Is it really that hard to just do something else?
Well, it is hard to just do something else, because I feel quite passionate about the universe and I want more. I'm not on some "agenda" here. DLC is here to stay, and if I like the game, I'll buy the DLC for it.

Or I can just watch a "Let's play" of it on Youtube because there is always someone who will buy the DLC and record it.

Ha.
(I do not in any way promote the above solution to the problem, lol)
 

Rad Party God

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Now they'll start selling the "true" ending/s.

Fuck you EA and fuck you BioWare.

I already said I won't buy any EA/Bioware game ever again after Mass Effect 3 and I guess I won't be missing on much in the next decade or so.

Let this better be free DLC.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
Muzyka wrote. "Even so, the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3 is something that genuinely surprised us."
I don't buy this.

I do not believe that every single person within Bioware looked at the final ending and said: "Yup, that's a perfect ending to this trilogy; fans are gonna love it!"

Don't get me wrong, this is Bioware's baby, the people there must be very invested in the characters and the world. I get that. So how did these endings get a thumbs up from every single person involved in the game's development? Seriously guys?

"This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue."
How the hell do you continue the Mass Effect universe when you destroyed the mass relays AND stranded all races at Earth with no hope of survival? How do you continue the Mass Effect universe when any of three endings could have occured? Why the massive plot holes that will only hinder your development of further games? Arghh my brain!
 

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New full games
?? Unless he means crappy little phone games, this is news.

Shotgun Guy said:
"Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics", NO FUCKING SHIT, Mass Effect 3 was a great game and the type that always gets high scores regardless, most rational people won't argue that. The endings were trash and that is all most people have a problem with. I'm not asking for a new ending, Bioware can stick with what they gave us for all I care, I just want them to add more to it. You can't just give us those endings and expect us not to be pissed, as any teacher grading a paper would say, "YOU NEED TO ELABORATE".
Exactly, all they need to do is add in or even just write and explanation of WTF actually happened.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue."
This statement about new full games is making me paranoid, does that mean he hints that Mass Effect 3 as sold wasn't actually the full game and that they will in fact hold the ending to ransom?
 

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Ok, so i'm copying this from another thread that I've posted in.. but it makes sense here too:


Ok, so maybe they were aiming too high with 16 endings idea. Ok, I got that, you had a moment of channeling Peter Molyneux; most reasonable gamers will forgive you. They'll rib you a day or too over it, but it passes; much like a bad kidney stone. We've could have even been happy with just even 5 distinct endings that ranged from;

1) Shepard critically fails, Reapers advanced throughout the galaxy impeded. (like the "fake" ME2 Shepard is dead ending.)
2) Shepard scarifies Earth and himself, but stops the Reapers at a major cost -- all current civilizations will take 100-300 years to recover, yet (3 out of 4) the Humans, Krogan, Turians & Quarians will be unable to recover and will slowly die out by the end of the coming centuries.. 75% of Shepard's team has perished.
3) Shepard keeps Earth while stopping the Reapers, but 1 of the below races will be unable to recover and will slowly die out by the end of the coming centuries (Humans, Krogan, Turians or Quarians <-- depending on player actions). 50% of Shepard's team has perished; 50% chance Shepard will have died too.
4) Shepard keeps Earth & stops the Reapers, but at the cost of a impending galactic war that not even Shepard can stop; 25% of Shepard's team has perished.
5) Shepard rolls a 20 and Reapers are stopped dead cold. There is a uneasy peace, but so far everybody is still happy shooting a the reaming scattered reapers as long as Shepard keeps the races "united" in peace. All of Shepard's team lives and we get to see blue Shepard babies.

In all endings (2-5) Shepard is a Hero. Regardless on how you end ME3 (2-5), you can start ME4 200 years after ME3. Endings 4 & 5 still have a galaxy wide war, either after Shepard dies or Shepard dies in trying to stop, which severely weakens everybody. Endings 2 and 3 has the galaxy still very weakened recovering from just barely surviving the Reaper threat.

So other then a few wording tweaks at the very start of the story - you have ME4 perfectly set up after ME3. The story: The Reapers may be dead, but all the technology they left behind is still raging its own hidden secret war. What remains of a splinter cell of the Geth, along with other organics still indoctrinated (and their childrens children) during the attack 200 years ago are trying to develop a method to spread the indoctrination signal throughout the whole galaxy and bring to fruition "Reaper 2.0."
 

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"Closure" DLC pack: $14.99
In-game plothole destroyer: $4.99
Warm, fuzzy feeling of satisfaction: $9.99

*ONLY AVAILABLE THROUGH ORIGIN

Hooraaaaay....
 

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Hahahaha as I said before they will sell the new yellow ending as DLC and the fans will run like a hoard of husks to their next Gamestop and buy it! And for a season pass we can get the purple and the orange ending. And next year we can buy the gold and/or silver editions... and... and...

 

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I feel sorry for Bioware, I can almost guarantee that most the problems with the game were due to constraints placed by EA; I mean, think about it, pretty much every single problem stinks of publisher tampering.
 

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I'd patch in about 2 minutes of text saying all this shit that characters did after the explosion, then told everyone to fuck off. The game isn't perfect, live with it.
If that had been what initially happened none of this ranting would have come to pass. There would have been people upset but not in the current numbers. If they did that now, I don't know how well it would work. It would appease some people but I think the hole that has been dug at this point is just too deep to be filled with just some text.
 

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Should have posted this earlier but I had a sudden horrible thought of them pulling an April Fools.
 

SovietSecrets

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First people complain about the ending and now that you guys are getting things to make it better, some of you are complaining some more? I see.
 

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The fact that this is necessary is further proof this medium is not ready to be seriously considered as anything more then a child's toy.
 

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People really care so much about an ending that went over their heads? Jeeez.

Protip: When oily screens start happening and things stop making sense, it's generally a hallucination.

Protip #2: When a loading screen tells ya to save your file, it seems a future title will let you know the results you're waiting for.
 

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Translation:
We are busy making DLC things, go... buy something we made...

Conspiracy Theory:
BW planned this all along, desperate gamers buying "Ending" DLC will add nicely to their mountian of cash.

Co-conspirators Conspiracy Theory:
This is all a wild marketing test to see the lengths a gamer will go to to gain the product they were told they were getting in the first place... all is going according to plan.
 

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First you gave me what I would discribe as a masterpiece (ME1), then a great game (ME2) and then you end the series with an average game with a truly horrible ending. I was thinking about buying ME3 when it went on sale, since I wasn't going to buy it full priced because of the content they cut from the disk. But now I can safetly say I won't buy it at all, there are loads of average games out there and I won't buy this one just because I liked the first two...
 

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Good God. What was so horrible about the ending that it garners this sort of attention and demands this sort of a response? You'd think the game disc had been designed to explode and fire shards of glass into your head or something the way people bang on about it.
I mean, Hollywood has produced one disappointing pile of lazy shit after another, but nobody gets on Hollywood's case. Wassup wit dat!?!?
 

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Dastardly said:
Andy Chalk said:
BioWare Co-Founder Promises Closure For Mass Effect 3
And what more could we ask of them, really?

The ending is out there, and they can't take it back. Nor should they. Nor would it do the least bit to please the complainers. However, they're recognizing what they can do: not change the ending, but clarify it a bit.

The problem with the ending is just how it was delivered. It robbed itself of much of its own weight by failing to deliver a sense of consequence, and by failing to show us "the stakes" while we were moving through it.

I compare it to the ending of the second X-Men movie: Professor X is allegedly in the middle of frying the brains of every human on the planet. This should be causing everything from vehicle crashes to botched surgeries to entire nurseries of newborns in agonizing pain -- I mean, clearly, the stakes are supposed to be extremely high. But we see none of it. We're left to just take the movie's word for it... or we're expected to relate to the more immediate peril of the heroes themselves, which just doesn't work in that movie.

The best move from here is to create content that shows the impact of Shepard's actions and choices. There could also been some "meanwhile" DLC, which allows players to act out what various other characters were doing while Shepard was bringing an end to the conflict, and that might add some gravity to the events surrounding the ending.

I think some free cinematic content would go over quite well, in addition to paid playable content.
Problem is, we already know the impact of his decisions.

Even if Mass Relays didn't obliterate systems they were located in, like in Arrival, everyone in the galaxy is more fucked than if Reapers just destroyed them.

Because now, they all either die or suffer, and there won't be more evolutionary cycles, uplifting of species, galactic civilizations or communities.

Difference with X-Men and other movies and Mass Effect is that ME is INTERACTIVE and is about OUR CHOICES.

Stop comparing interactive media to narrative media...

RJ Dalton said:
Good God. What was so horrible about the ending that it garners this sort of attention and demands this sort of a response? You'd think the game disc had been designed to explode and fire shards of glass into your head or something the way people bang on about it.
I mean, Hollywood has produced one disappointing pile of lazy shit after another, but nobody gets on Hollywood's case. Wassup wit dat!?!?
There's not a single movie that lasts 90 hours, consumes a lot of money, and then leaves you with a shitty ending after promises of "interactive action" and "making important decisions".

Again, movies and books aren't video games. Don't defend terrible ending because developer claims it's "art" and shit.
 

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Oh I can see it now: the ending is just going to be the same ending but slightly longer and with just text screens explaining what happened to everyone ("game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey," I take as fancy talk for, "we ain't changing shit")

The flames will put Tsar Bomba to shame. Bioware will never sell another game again.