BioWare Defends Mass Effect 3 Launch-Day DLC

[Joccaren]

I agree. Actually when you think about it, you don't really need any squad members at all to win the game. Imo they should charge 10$ for every squad member because they aren't really necessary, its just 'cool' to have them. And they can just add an NPC helmsman with no personality, I mean its cool and all to have Joker and EDE, but really they aren't necessary to the game at all. If you really want joker back you can just pay a 5$ fee, 'cus its just not necessary content. Voice actors also cost money, and the game can get its plot across pretty well in text. I think you should have to pay a 1$ to each voice actor before the audio turns on.

It is like Zaeed or Kasumi in ME2. Were they necessary? No. Were they cool to take along? Yes.

Having no squad members is over exaggeration and really, really stupid. I hope I don't need to tell you why. There is a big difference between locking out half the game, and not giving free access to some optional Easter Egg bonus character.

Hell, your complaint would even make sense if it was a returning squad character - like your Joker example. Joker is a character we have had in the previous games, with us the whole time. With a returning character, there is the expectation they will come for free - especially when the game is heavily story based, including that character quite often.
In comparison, we know zip about the Prothean, if it weren't announced and was cut from production we wouldn't know nor care about the 'disappearance' of it (As opposed to the people who will spam for news on their favourite squad members they do know), the impact of it being a squadmate on the game will be minimal at best.

What do you actually know about this Prothean that makes him so essential to the story.
Well? I'm waiting.
The answer is pretty much nothing.
He is a Prothean. Big Whoop. Yeah, its cool for the fans of the series. Does that mean that the Prothean being a squadmate is 100% required for you to finish the game? No. It does not. The game was designed, then the Prothean Squad mate DLC would have been designed to go with the game, whilst not being vital to the story - as the story has already been told.

And don't get me started on the whole taking out voice actors and such. A stupid comparison if there ever was one.

A lot of people here are overreacting to some fan service being given to the fans. I still stand by what I've said. It won't be necessary, but it will be a cool add on. Until the game is released, we won't know for sure, but there is little reason to believe it will be more than a cool little add on other than paranoia.

 

[Gitty101]

Round and round the bush we go, continuing to beat it...

This ALWAYS happens in the period before a high-profile game. Suddenly all the whiners come out of their basements to voice their deluded opinions...

 

[Tony2077]

It's quite an interesting insight into the mind of our little Zeel isn't it? I was actually starting to feel a little bad about us basically ganging up and being kinda hard on him. Now I think we should be HARDER.

Oh god I hope he talks about us in his blog!

And we don't need action! We've got spirit!

he had some credit to him but now its gone so i won't believe a word he says even if he's right

 

[CardinalPiggles]

Besides, this was intended from the beginning to be for the Collector's/Digital Deluxe Edition

If that's true, then Michael Gambles argument carries little weight. If whatever content is ready to be paid for on the release day, then it would make for good PR. The rest of what you said makes perfect sense however, most of the complainers are just being entitled little twats.

 

[The Pinray]

Good 'morrow to the gentlefolk of Escapist.
I've been following the escapists forums for a little over a year now, mainly for zero/extra punctuation. But lately I've started becoming more interested in reading the forums. Around 3 months (I think) a certain problem crept into the forums and it seems you guys have been unable to contain it. Now, I was on the point of warning you guys several times over the course of the last few months and even registered an account to this end. But each time I was on the verge of explaining the source of this trouble I told myself "no, lets just see how far this goes" (mostly for shits and giggles) but also to see if escapists can handle the situation where so many other forums failed. Since then I've had many a laugh and think it time to put this problem to rest.
With that I ask you to direct your attention to this blog spot and it'll all be made pretty clear I should think. Do not ask me how I came to find this particular blog spot as this would be my one and only post in this forum. I shall go back to my shadowy corner, well until this sort of thing repeats and I have to come out of my hibernation again.

In the meantime
Stay classy escapists and "don't feed the trolls".

Signed: Your friendly neighborhood whatever

http://xkingxzeel.blogspot.co.nz/

It all makes sense now, guys! It all makes sense now! Bless you, amazing stranger! Bless you!

I swear this thread has truly made my day.

 

[SajuukKhar]

zeel it was established by bioware employees...... ohh wait you ignore everything they say unless it suits your own needs, because they are all "liars" unless the are supporting you, how silly of me to forget

 

[Tony2077]

I swear I must look like such a badass to everyone reading this thead. Everytime you guys come at me with a new argument, I swat it away like god damn fruit flies. You guys have lost. Just admit it. ADMIT IT. THATS WHAT MAKES THIS SO HILARIOUS.

EVERY ARGUMENT I REFUTE, you guys just come up with new ones. MY STANCE has remained the same. you guys have been changing more than a god damn teenage girl.
I AM RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG. Just admit it guys.

admit it, admit it, admit it, admit it.

This is hilarious. Every argument we present is ignored by the Supreme Overlord Zeel and he makes up new facts. As we are forced to explain to him the new "facts", actual rambling and nonsense that he claims but never supports about the same thing with slighty different words, he can then say we are making things up, and that we is right. To add an extra layer of stupidity and hilarious? Have every post filled with pedantic rage and Caps Lock obssession.

Brilliant comedy, good sir! I think you should write a sitcom. It's name? "When I forget to take my pills".

I'm so tired of this. Everytime I ask you guys to put up. you don't. when you ask me to put up. I do. You guys don't put up but pretend you do.

Which new "fact" am I inventing.

if your tired go to bed

 

[Tony2077]

mods wake up and smell the carnage

 

[Loethlin]

It's quite an interesting insight into the mind of our little Zeel isn't it? I was actually starting to feel a little bad about us basically ganging up and being kinda hard on him. Now I think we should be HARDER.

Oh god I hope he talks about us in his blog!

And we don't need action! We've got spirit!

I shouldn't be agreeing with you because he clearly is insane. I'm thinking, schizophrenic, with delusions of grandeur and paranoia. I shouldn't be laughing and I shouldn't be poking him with a stick. It's really sad. Makes me a bad person for laughing at sick people.

But then again, I completely agree with you. Continue, please!

 

[SajuukKhar]

Yes Zeel because a document anyone could have edited before posting is SO MUCH MORE legit then the word of the people who made the game, because YOU say so.


Right......

 

[guitarsniper]

oh wait, i have it all figured out! the leaks were dropped intentionally by bioware so that people would, in the weeks leading up to the game's release, go "well this doesn't fit with what we know from the leaks" and create massive flamewars to drum up more press for the game! it's all so obvious! it's a gigantic conspiracy!

 

[AMAZED]

Nowhere in there zeel does it state the leaked script is from content lockdown stage.


also as the quote points out THE CHARACTER IS STILL IN THE GAME AND STILL GIVES YOU THE INFO YOU NEED, ALL IT DOES IS MAKE HIM RECRUITABLE.

NO
STORY
CONTENT
LOST

But if they acknowledge this then where are they going to project their suppressed rage over all their daddy issues. Stop being so mean to them!

 

[HavoK 09]

it still doesnt defeat the it was done before the release date argument.

IMO collector editions and other special editions should have bonuses that include skins, statues artbooks, etc NOT part of the game

 

[Llamazoid]

Listen, if his word for it and googling up his name and checking out that he does indeed work for bioware is not enough for you, then yes its "shoddy" evidence. Everywhere else thats pretty damn good evidence. Your last two points are abysmal. You've not argued a god damn thing.It's not like Kasumi becauses he a prothean.

Doesn't matter if he work's for Bioware or not, you still just call them liars unless it suits your needs. Besides I looked at all his posts and he didn't even acknowledge your point's he just used what we call "tact" to keep you from raging. The only point he acknowledged was one everyone agrees with, the Prothean will be a Squad member in the DLC and includes knowledge that we will find out in the main plot. Which he was referring to was the Anti-Reaper weapon.

I didn't have or need any other point's, I just stated my opinion that I'm 99% this Character will be available through the DLC only and not feature in the main game at all. Which I them compared to Kasumi for an example, we didn't know they existed until the DLC was downloaded.

I dont have a issue because he's Prothean, that's your problem.

For know I'm going to bed, I have to work a full shift tommorow morning. When I get back I'll love to see the feed discussion.

 

[anthony87]

It's quite an interesting insight into the mind of our little Zeel isn't it? I was actually starting to feel a little bad about us basically ganging up and being kinda hard on him. Now I think we should be HARDER.

Oh god I hope he talks about us in his blog!

And we don't need action! We've got spirit!

I shouldn't be agreeing with you because he clearly is insane. I'm thinking, schizophrenic, with delusions of grandeur and paranoia. I shouldn't be laughing and I shouldn't be poking him with a stick. It's really sad. Makes me a bad person for laughing at sick people.

But then again, I completely agree with you. Continue, please!

What worries me is that he might think that he's legitimately pissing us off, rather than it just being us having a laugh at his delusional expense.

 

[Andrewtheeviscerator]

Basically Zeel's position is:

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"

You obviously have no understanding of these two concepts:
logic
consistency


Nothing i've said has been debunked, you realize? but I've debunked many of their points. so much times its amazing. 22 pages of me just kicking ass, but sure your summary might be right.

Actually, no its not. You know your side is failing expotentially, when all they can do is derail with silly pictures and videos.

Actually people have brought forth what I would call good arguments, a guy presents you with a quote from a bioware employee stating that the character is still in the game regardless and you just say she's lying.

Although I read your blog its pretty obvious that your nothing more than a narcissist and since I'm not trained to deal with narcissists there's no point in me trying.

 

[JamesStone]

I swear I must look like such a badass to everyone reading this thead. Everytime you guys come at me with a new argument, I swat it away like god damn fruit flies. You guys have lost. Just admit it. ADMIT IT. THATS WHAT MAKES THIS SO HILARIOUS.

EVERY ARGUMENT I REFUTE, you guys just come up with new ones. MY STANCE has remained the same. you guys have been changing more than a god damn teenage girl.
I AM RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG. Just admit it guys.

admit it, admit it, admit it, admit it.

This is hilarious. Every argument we present is ignored by the Supreme Overlord Zeel and he makes up new facts. As we are forced to explain to him the new "facts", actual rambling and nonsense that he claims but never supports about the same thing with slighty different words, he can then say we are making things up, and that we is right. To add an extra layer of stupidity and hilarious? Have every post filled with pedantic rage and Caps Lock obssession.

Brilliant comedy, good sir! I think you should write a sitcom. It's name? "When I forget to take my pills".

I'm so tired of this. Everytime I ask you guys to put up. you don't. when you ask me to put up. I do. You guys don't put up but pretend you do.

Which new "fact" am I inventing.

The "fact" that your source at the escapist works at Bioware, the fact that you confirmed that the Prothean is a character to be sold, not included in game and made squadmate for the DLC, the fact that you have presented clean and unbiased arguments, but we "fanboys" only present rabble...

Shall I continue? Also in the post I quoted you didn't ask to put up anything. You say, and I quote "admit it, admit it, admit it, admit it!", which is weirdly what my son says when he is with a tantrum.

 

[Richardplex]

Besides, this was intended from the beginning to be for the Collector's/Digital Deluxe Edition

If that's true, then Michael Gambles argument carries little weight. If whatever content is ready to be paid for on the release day, then it would make for good PR. The rest of what you said makes perfect sense however, most of the complainers are just being entitled little twats.

I meant that there was content intended from the beginning to be part of the collector's edition, that content wasn't necessarily ready beforehand, if that was the logical fallacy you were referring to.

Now you brought me back here, WTF guys. Why the fuck is Zeel still here? I mean, seriously, it's 22 pages later, the man/woman/other needs to rest! I almost feel sorry for him, only pure Zeelotry could make up for his exhausting at this point.

Though I am tempted to read all 22 pages in the name of science. I mean, the insights of the mind of Zeel, if I do it clinically, should prove to be quite fascinating.

Edit: sorry, 23 pages, it was 22 when I started this reply.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Again zeel THE LEAKS ARE WRONG.

FUN-FING-FACT


but OHH WAIT THEY CANT BE BECAUSE YOU SAID THEY Weren't AM I RIGHT?

 

[Loethlin]

What worries me is that he might think that he's legitimately pissing us off, rather than it just being us having a laugh at his delusional expense.

I'm more worried about the fact that his wonky ramblings did exactly the opposite thing he meant to do. All this so-called evidence he's trying to force-feed us only makes me think I really want this DLC!
Especially for the clothes! Shiny new clothes!