BioWare Defends Mass Effect 3 Launch-Day DLC

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Tony2077

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anthony87 said:
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anthony87 said:
Zeel said:
anthony87 said:
Zeel said:
anthony87 said:
Zeel said:
Doc Theta Sigma said:
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Doc Theta Sigma said:
Every comment in this thread:

"WE SHOULD GET THIS EXTRA, COMPLETELY OPTIONAL CONTENT FOR FREE BECAUSE OF REASONS."

The character is in the game. Without having to purchase DLC. You get all his dialogue, interactions with others etc. The only thing the DLC gives you is the option to have him as a squad member.
So they removed the whole point of having him in the game at all just to make a few extra bucks on opening day? This revelation WAs supposed to dampen my outrage HOW?
Because having him as a squad mate more than likely makes sod all impact. Akin to having Zaeed or Kasumi in your squad in ME2. People are confusing the character with the squad mate.
Can we see some offical fucking info or something. The prothean squadmate is relevant in the leaks. Now you're claiming two things;
1. Either the leak was changed so the prothean ISNT relevant
or
2. THe prothean is relevant but his squadplayability isn't.

I want to see some confirmation on either point.

1 is still bad though, but one step at a time.

Cause I cant possibily imagine how A PROTHEAN the basis for the ENTIRE FIRST GAME (AND SECOND) can have quests that have no impact on the story. confirmation now. some PR sod going off about how 'optional' it is. isn't confirmation.
Don't you think you may be overstating the importance of the Protheans just a tad?

Also:

The prothean character is relevant in the leaks.

Fixed that for you.
I asked you both two things to show me

Is The prothean relevant or not? If not, I want to see something a little more offical than "EA wouldn't do that" (because we know they would)
Is the Prothean relevant to Mass Effect 3? Yes I would imagine so.

Please, continue.
And confirmation that we get all the content/dialogue related to the prothean that is relevant?
If you're talking about the information presented in the leak that's been mentioned I couldn't say. Haven't seen the leak.

tony2077 said:
i don't see how unless he has some hidden tech that helps
Well I doubt they'd have the Prothean in the game without some sort of plot point focused on him.
but how important will that plot it may be like the side missions from the first two where it has little or no effected on the story just some useless back story that doesn't change the outcome other then knowing more about them like the info about the collectors it just said they were prothean but didn't change anything about the way the game ended
Yeah I know, that's what I'm trying to explain to Zeel.

Huh...deja vú.
i love that word deja vu
 

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anthony87 said:
Zeel said:
anthony87 said:
Zeel said:
anthony87 said:
Zeel said:
anthony87 said:
Zeel said:
anthony87 said:
Zeel said:
Doc Theta Sigma said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Doc Theta Sigma said:
Every comment in this thread:

"WE SHOULD GET THIS EXTRA, COMPLETELY OPTIONAL CONTENT FOR FREE BECAUSE OF REASONS."

The character is in the game. Without having to purchase DLC. You get all his dialogue, interactions with others etc. The only thing the DLC gives you is the option to have him as a squad member.
So they removed the whole point of having him in the game at all just to make a few extra bucks on opening day? This revelation WAs supposed to dampen my outrage HOW?
Because having him as a squad mate more than likely makes sod all impact. Akin to having Zaeed or Kasumi in your squad in ME2. People are confusing the character with the squad mate.
Can we see some offical fucking info or something. The prothean squadmate is relevant in the leaks. Now you're claiming two things;
1. Either the leak was changed so the prothean ISNT relevant
or
2. THe prothean is relevant but his squadplayability isn't.

I want to see some confirmation on either point.

1 is still bad though, but one step at a time.

Cause I cant possibily imagine how A PROTHEAN the basis for the ENTIRE FIRST GAME (AND SECOND) can have quests that have no impact on the story. confirmation now. some PR sod going off about how 'optional' it is. isn't confirmation.
Don't you think you may be overstating the importance of the Protheans just a tad?

Also:

The prothean character is relevant in the leaks.

Fixed that for you.
I asked you both two things to show me

Is The prothean relevant or not? If not, I want to see something a little more offical than "EA wouldn't do that" (because we know they would)
Is the Prothean relevant to Mass Effect 3? Yes I would imagine so.

Please, continue.
And confirmation that we get all the content/dialogue related to the prothean that is relevant?

If you're talking about the information presented in the leak that's been mentioned I couldn't say. Haven't seen the leak.
We are back at square one then. Aren't we? This dlc is the epitome of how greedy EA games has become.

Edit. How greedy EA games IS.
But the Prothean is in the game regardless or whether or not you buy the DLC. Same as how Liara was in ME2 but wasn't playable without the DLC that you had to pay extra for so I just can't see what the big deal is. It's the exact same thing they done in ME2.
Liara and the prothean aren't equatable. time difference of development and all that. THe problem isn't just that it's a DLC, it's how relevant the character is.

Imagine if they did the Liara thing in me2 but at release date. "don't get to play this less you pay for a dlc of content already on the game" now multiply that. prothean lore is much more essential to the series than fucking liara and her shadow broker shenanigans. "OMG FEROS AHHHHH" please.
The lore is still there. I've yet to see a single thing that says Bioware removed plot important features unless you're willing to pay extra money. All the DLC does is give some extra content that they worked on AFTER development of the game was complete.

This discussion isn't about the Prothean being more important that Liara or vice-versa, it's about the concept of the Prothean DLC being the same as the Shadow Broker DLC i.e. take a character that's already in the story and give you a mission or two with said character.
I'm not sure how much we'll see of him since its still two weeks till the game comes out. if when it comes out and zeel right I'll tell him so but till then i can't really change my stance
 

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and uuuh... did you PLAN for work on it to start only once the main game was finished bioware?
What relevance does that have? Unless you're suggesting that by merely planning DLC, it should be included in the game at release (or available for free or whatever). You can't be suggesting that though, because that's utterly ridiculous.
 

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Zeel said:
To everyone on the opposing side, would it bother you at all if everyone just got the content for the original price? Or the DLC is used to encourage New purchases?
it doesn't bother me at all since unlike other dlc this one every can get even if it does cost extra.
 

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Zeel said:
GiantRaven said:
itchcrotch said:
and uuuh... did you PLAN for work on it to start only once the main game was finished bioware?
What relevance does that have? Unless you're suggesting that by merely planning DLC, it should be included in the game at release (or available for free or whatever). You can't be suggesting that though, because that's utterly ridiculous.
They intended the prothean to be apart of the ORIGINAL GAME and NOT A DLC. Seeing as its in the freaking leaks. Then some suit over at ea game was like "oh no lets make this a dlc because the fans will go ape shit for it"
Thats what wrong with it.

They are right about one thing. They got our attention
maybe him being a squad member wasn't part of the original game they just added it with this dlc which was started after the main game was done
 

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Zeel said:
GiantRaven said:
itchcrotch said:
and uuuh... did you PLAN for work on it to start only once the main game was finished bioware?
What relevance does that have? Unless you're suggesting that by merely planning DLC, it should be included in the game at release (or available for free or whatever). You can't be suggesting that though, because that's utterly ridiculous.
They intended the prothean to be apart of the ORIGINAL GAME and NOT A DLC. Seeing as its in the freaking leaks. Then some suit over at ea game was like "oh no lets make this a dlc because the fans will go ape shit for it"
Thats what wrong with it.

They are right about one thing. They got our attention
THE

PROTHEAN

IS

STILL

IN

THE

GAME!

THE

DLC

MAKES

HIM

A

SQUADMATE!
 

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Zeel said:
tony2077 said:
Zeel said:
To everyone on the opposing side, would it bother you at all if everyone just got the content for the original price? Or the DLC is used to encourage New purchases?
it doesn't bother me at all since unlike other dlc this one every can get even if it does cost extra.
That wasn't my question.
If this dlc was just like Zaeed. free with purchase, would that bother you?
it was part of the network so unless you bought it you still had to pay for it so it not that different then this other then that was for both version not just the special one like this one is
 

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Zeel said:
Then some suit over at ea game was like "oh no lets make this a dlc because the fans will go ape shit for it"
Thats what wrong with it.
Yeah, I definitely agree that some people are getting way to worked up over this.
 

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I still don't see the controversy behind this issue. Basically what's happened is Bioware completed Mass Effect 3 campaign well in time before launch, it then took a 3 month period to deal with the necessary tweaks.

Meanwhile while this went on, a separate team worked on DLC which was to be included free in the Collectors Edition "From Ashes." The DLC was going to contain a Prothean character, which we can safety assume isn't available as a squad member or make an appearance in the main story.

Why can we assume this? because when Zaeed was released as Day 1 DLC he didn't feature in ME2 at all until you entered the code. The same with all additional character DLC's later on, ME2 did not lose any story value without having these extra DLC's they simple extras. The game itself was complete, the same thing will happen with Mass Effect 3.

I can understand, why people are upset about Day 1 DLC but let me put it this way if this character wasn't Prothean would you still be as upset?

I simply think the issue is more about the character being Prothean than it about Day 1 DLC because the news about an extra piece of DLC for the Collectors Edition has been out for month's and no has complained. Finally those that say I'm paying $80 dollars for the Collectors Edition (in my case £80) just for just a $10 dollar Character is incorrect. Your paying for extra weapons, appearances, an Mass Effect artbook, a Darkhorse comic, the official ME3 soundtrack, a tinned case plus the new character DLC oh and a robot dog.
 

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Llamazoid said:
I still don't see the controversy behind this issue. Basically what's happened is Bioware completed Mass Effect 3 campaign well in time before launch, it then took a 3 month period to deal with the necessary tweaks.

Meanwhile while this went on, a separate team worked on DLC which was to be included free in the Collectors Edition "From Ashes." The DLC was going to contain a Prothean character, which we can safety assume isn't available as a squad member or make an appearance in the main story.

Why can we assume this? because when Zaeed was released as Day 1 DLC he didn't feature in ME2 at all until you entered the code. The same with all additional character DLC's later on, ME2 did not lose any story value without having these extra DLC's they simple extras. The game itself was complete, the same thing will happen with Mass Effect 3.

I can understand, why people are upset about Day 1 DLC but let me put it this way if this character wasn't Prothean would you still be as upset?

I simply think the issue is more about the character being Prothean than it about Day 1 DLC because the news about an extra piece of DLC for the Collectors Edition has been out for month's and no has complained. Finally those that say I'm paying $80 dollars for the Collectors Edition (in my case £80) just for just a $10 dollar Character is incorrect. Your paying for extra weapons, appearances, an Mass Effect artbook, a Darkhorse comic, the official ME3 soundtrack, a tinned case plus the new character DLC oh and a robot dog.
and if you ordered it on origin at the right time battlefield 3 which i did well i talked to there live people so i reordered it but i will get it none the less
 

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I haven't finished ME1, nor started ME2, so I'll just wait for the inevitable GotY edition with all of the DLC for a reasonable price.

What I -do- have a problem with is significantly large DLC that has an unusually small footprint on my hard drive. An entire SC5 character (Dampierre) is the same few KB as a couple of clothing items? Sorry publishers, your on-disc "DLC" isn't fooling us. Chicanery like this makes me -less- interested in buying your game.
 

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anthony87 said:
Zeel said:
GiantRaven said:
itchcrotch said:
and uuuh... did you PLAN for work on it to start only once the main game was finished bioware?
What relevance does that have? Unless you're suggesting that by merely planning DLC, it should be included in the game at release (or available for free or whatever). You can't be suggesting that though, because that's utterly ridiculous.
They intended the prothean to be apart of the ORIGINAL GAME and NOT A DLC. Seeing as its in the freaking leaks. Then some suit over at ea game was like "oh no lets make this a dlc because the fans will go ape shit for it"
Thats what wrong with it.

They are right about one thing. They got our attention
THE

PROTHEAN

IS

STILL

IN

THE

GAME!

THE

DLC

MAKES

HIM

A

SQUADMATE!
Has there been official confirmation of this? Cause all i've heard are scripts. Which to me is stupid, because of course the lines of a day one dlc will be in the script
 

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Zeel said:
tony2077 said:
Zeel said:
To everyone on the opposing side, would it bother you at all if everyone just got the content for the original price? Or the DLC is used to encourage New purchases?
it doesn't bother me at all since unlike other dlc this one every can get even if it does cost extra.
That wasn't my question.
If this dlc was just like Zaeed. free with purchase, would that bother you?
No, it would not bother me. That way everyone who buys the game new would be able to use him.

Honestly, when I pre-orderded the CE I didn't even know about an extra squad mate. I mainly pre-ordred it for the sound track, art book, and dark horse comic.
 

anthony87

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Macrobstar said:
anthony87 said:
Zeel said:
GiantRaven said:
itchcrotch said:
and uuuh... did you PLAN for work on it to start only once the main game was finished bioware?
What relevance does that have? Unless you're suggesting that by merely planning DLC, it should be included in the game at release (or available for free or whatever). You can't be suggesting that though, because that's utterly ridiculous.
They intended the prothean to be apart of the ORIGINAL GAME and NOT A DLC. Seeing as its in the freaking leaks. Then some suit over at ea game was like "oh no lets make this a dlc because the fans will go ape shit for it"
Thats what wrong with it.

They are right about one thing. They got our attention
THE

PROTHEAN

IS

STILL

IN

THE

GAME!

THE

DLC

MAKES

HIM

A

SQUADMATE!
Has there been official confirmation of this? Cause all i've heard are scripts. Which to me is stupid, because of course the lines of a day one dlc will be in the script
The lines of the DLC couldn't be in the script because production on the DLC hadn't begun until after ME3 was completed.
 

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laserwulf said:
I haven't finished ME1, nor started ME2, so I'll just wait for the inevitable GotY edition with all of the DLC for a reasonable price.

What I -do- have a problem with is significantly large DLC that has an unusually small footprint on my hard drive. An entire SC5 character (Dampierre) is the same few KB as a couple of clothing items? Sorry publishers, your on-disc "DLC" isn't fooling us. Chicanery like this makes me -less- interested in buying your game.
I hope your enjoying ME, the first game's DLC was shabby but it's probably only around 250 Microsoft points. Your probably best holding out for a Goty Edition for ME2 unless you really want to play ME3. The difference between your scenario and this is the the Character was never on the disk.

There hasn't been any confirmation that the Prothean is in the main game, if your prove is a old script that was thrown out. That's just dumb because your going to need scripts for any additional DLC especially if their's a mission with the character and that includes drafts. Another thing I'd like to point out is that people are suggesting, that because voice work and lines have been leaked it means this character was going to be in the main plot. That is dumb, all the dialogue I've heard is merely Squad banter, and line's that refer to the extra mission.
 

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meh. day 1 dlc is fine. online passes are not. ME3 has both. therefore... not ok. online passes are a lazy way to counter the used game market, Day 1 dlc that is completely optional is a smart way.
 

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joshthor said:
meh. day 1 dlc is fine. online passes are not. ME3 has both. therefore... not ok. online passes are a lazy way to counter the used game market, Day 1 dlc that is completely optional is a smart way.
Lazy perhaps, but what would you suggest as an alternative? Companies need to get as much revenue as they can for their next title. It's no mean feat to work around, used games, pirates and raging fans. Your right they really need to find a new way of counter these markets but until then I'm not going to begrudge a developer for using such methods. I'm happy enough to pay for what I get.
 

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lol I like this a lot.
"It's designed to appeal to long term fans. Knowing you love our work, we'll reward you by making you spend more money on things we know you want. We're nice like that."
 

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Sounds like BS to me.
You can defend release-day DLC however you want, but all it really comes down to is "We want more money, and by god you're going to give it to us."