BioWare Explains Why There's No Homosexuality in Mass Effect 2
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These are videogame designers, not champions of pressing social issues. So what if they don't wanna depict man-man rumpy-pumpy? No-one said videogames were gonna change the world, it's enough that they CAN go where they want to go, and enough reason not to if they say "not my area, soz."
I beg to differ. The issue here isn't that I demand Bioware make a political statement, but rather adress a legitimate question instead of constantly side-stepping the issue.elvor0 said:
We know that the content was originally planned to be included. Several animations were finalized. Most dialogue was recorded.
- So why did they opt not to?
That Shepard is a "pre-defined" character is pure bs, seeing as Shepard's persona is completely up to the player to mold.
And the hypocrisy of having two very obvious examples of sapphic eroticism (Kelly Chambers, the asari) when they claim that homosexuality isn't an option for either gender is just jarring.
Does it matter? Most people aren't gay and it has no real affect on the story.
Want an explanation? Here's one that might help:
"Our current programmers just weren't comfortable with spending a fair few days programming it so that a few homosexuals could beat their meat to some F-Grade porn of Shepard being butt-fucked."
or...
"Because it's a fucking game, we've better shit to do than program a butt-fucking scene".
or perhaps even...
"We're a games company, not a gay rights group, fuck off".
Quite frankly people who whine about this sort of thing is one of the reason that people won't accept gays or in fact things like womens' rights (I mean in the whiny *****/Hillary Clinton approach, not the normal approach). You're making a scene and trying to change everything to your liking. We're glad that you find happiness in fucking each other, but we're not going to work harder just because you say so.
Want an explanation? Here's one that might help:
"Our current programmers just weren't comfortable with spending a fair few days programming it so that a few homosexuals could beat their meat to some F-Grade porn of Shepard being butt-fucked."
or...
"Because it's a fucking game, we've better shit to do than program a butt-fucking scene".
or perhaps even...
"We're a games company, not a gay rights group, fuck off".
Quite frankly people who whine about this sort of thing is one of the reason that people won't accept gays or in fact things like womens' rights (I mean in the whiny *****/Hillary Clinton approach, not the normal approach). You're making a scene and trying to change everything to your liking. We're glad that you find happiness in fucking each other, but we're not going to work harder just because you say so.
Mm, I guess when you put it like that and they did have the stuff -there- already, it's a bit more odd as to why they just didn't implement it, however I do feel that Shepard has a little bit more of a personality than an empty shell like in DOA, but the fact that they have it for one gender and not the other is a bit homo...word....thing...phobic, thats the one!LiquidGrape said:
I still havent played the second one in great detail, but are the female characters hinted at having that as part of thier persona throughout the game regardless of wether the Player wants them to be lesbians? If thats the case it may be that it's supposed to be part of their character for the female shepard (or one of the female chars) but not with MaleShep, then again. Could just be the programmers wernt comfortable with programming male-male scenes.
Congratulations on missing the point entirely. And being rude in the process.Baron_BJ said:
I'll say it again. This wouldn't be an issue if it hadn't been for the fact that they are so blatantly hypocritical about the whole thing.
And allow me to ask; why is it that people automatically assume that the ones who advocate the inclusion of these kind of equal opportunities are homosexual themselves?
I think many would agree with me, regardless of sexual orientation, that Bioware has made a real ass of themselves on this.
That does sound like a fairly valid point actually, I hadn't really thought of that. Dragon Age does have a bit more of a 'grown up' vibe if you will.Sentox6 said:
First of all, Hudson's comments about making a PG-13 movie don't just imply that BioWare left out homosexual relationships to maximise sales, they do everything but outright say it.The_root_of_all_evil said:
Secondly, I'm unsure how a homosexual relationship would be 'titillation' any more than a heterosexual one, and I don't think it's really fair to call their inclusion a waste of time.
Maybe they just didn't want to create more scenes of that orientation. If this is the case then I do care because it affects the story and gameplay. But for any other reason it is un-important, it's a game don't look too much into it, play the game enjoy it.elvor0 said:
I know, but I'm one of those women who just loves fixing the broken soul. Getting Miranda to believe she was more than just the sum of the parts her daddy created for her would've been a worthwhile endeavor, I think.RanD00M said:
Oh, I enjoy playing Mass Effect. But I would enjoy it more if the game wasn't contradicting itself, if it was truly egalitarian, and if my opinion of the developer wasn't so shot.AVATAR_RAGE said:
- Did you hear they hired Orson Scott Card to write a Dragon Age comic? Orson-Scott-Card. A man who thinks homosexuality is directly linked to sexual abuse in childhood.
Which is exactly why my Sheploo wooed Jack. And why my femshep wanted to.Susan Arendt said:
*Sob*
If you're going to include a gay story better make it a good one right? Writing homosexuality into the story would have to the environment, the background, and the culture behind it explained.
Is it just so open that no one cares and you can do whatever you want? I doubt it, there is plenty of racism, "speciesism", and sexism in the game if you listen to the dialogues of random people. The planet, organization, species, and person make a huge difference.
None of the characters seem gay at all. Except maybe Tali or Miranda. The men either have families, aren't sexually driven, or aren't set up to being "gay".
Gay or not, you still have to write a good story behind it, and it was their choice to not have one slapped on the side of their game. They got enough flak for the first one, just remember this, you know why there isn't any gay romance in this story? Look around, people still find that behavior a threat for no good reason. Whether its politicians, shareholders, or the game designers/writers themselves.
And if they don't find it a threat, how good are they at writing gay relationships that people can enjoy? Or does it just end up looking dumb and awkward?
Is it just so open that no one cares and you can do whatever you want? I doubt it, there is plenty of racism, "speciesism", and sexism in the game if you listen to the dialogues of random people. The planet, organization, species, and person make a huge difference.
None of the characters seem gay at all. Except maybe Tali or Miranda. The men either have families, aren't sexually driven, or aren't set up to being "gay".
Gay or not, you still have to write a good story behind it, and it was their choice to not have one slapped on the side of their game. They got enough flak for the first one, just remember this, you know why there isn't any gay romance in this story? Look around, people still find that behavior a threat for no good reason. Whether its politicians, shareholders, or the game designers/writers themselves.
And if they don't find it a threat, how good are they at writing gay relationships that people can enjoy? Or does it just end up looking dumb and awkward?
If any developer wants a game to be purely straight - whatevs.
The thing that ticks me off is that for a game that wants Shepard to be straight, there is an incredible amount of male centric female-female fan service.
Please, Bioware, don't feed me that BS line that there "technically aren't any lesbian relationships because the asari are aliens". Yeah, okay. Asari have boobs. They have feminine curves. They have feminine faces. They have feminine voices. Some wear make up. They look delicate. They presumably have vaginas. For all intents and purposes, yes, they were built to be sexy alien women. Just like how there was a crazy amount of sexy female aliens in Star Trek which Kirk promptly banged. If your femShep is in a relationship with Liara, she is seen by any run-of-the-mill viewer to be in a lesbian relationship because it LOOKS and feels lesbian.
This is not a bad thing in any way, that's just the way it is. Then there's Kelly. She has no absolutely no reservations about shacking up with your femShep.
Is there a male looking alien race anywhere that is bi? Is there a bi human male? Nah, that's totally weird. It's only hot when girls swing around.
It's not like I would even play the gay relationships. I only see it as a little immature to not include the gay option because it tarnishes the default maleShepard "somehow" when the female one can.
But ignoring the self-righteous nitpicking, yes, I still enjoy the game and the issue doesn't completely murder the experience for me. Parts were suitably epic and memorable. I don't think it was as intelligent as Dragon Age but the shooting was ridiculously fun. To each their own.
The thing that ticks me off is that for a game that wants Shepard to be straight, there is an incredible amount of male centric female-female fan service.
Please, Bioware, don't feed me that BS line that there "technically aren't any lesbian relationships because the asari are aliens". Yeah, okay. Asari have boobs. They have feminine curves. They have feminine faces. They have feminine voices. Some wear make up. They look delicate. They presumably have vaginas. For all intents and purposes, yes, they were built to be sexy alien women. Just like how there was a crazy amount of sexy female aliens in Star Trek which Kirk promptly banged. If your femShep is in a relationship with Liara, she is seen by any run-of-the-mill viewer to be in a lesbian relationship because it LOOKS and feels lesbian.
This is not a bad thing in any way, that's just the way it is. Then there's Kelly. She has no absolutely no reservations about shacking up with your femShep.
Is there a male looking alien race anywhere that is bi? Is there a bi human male? Nah, that's totally weird. It's only hot when girls swing around.
It's not like I would even play the gay relationships. I only see it as a little immature to not include the gay option because it tarnishes the default maleShepard "somehow" when the female one can.
But ignoring the self-righteous nitpicking, yes, I still enjoy the game and the issue doesn't completely murder the experience for me. Parts were suitably epic and memorable. I don't think it was as intelligent as Dragon Age but the shooting was ridiculously fun. To each their own.
ah. didnt think of that.addeB said:I'm pretty sure Will Wright had homosexuality in the sims before bioware?joshthor said:they are the first big developer with a mainsteam game with a real noticable homosexual relationship (at least that ive seen) and they are under fire for not doing it on all thier games!? (i really want to say "how gay is that!?") anyway, its kind of dumb.
There's also Fallout 2, which flat-out had same-sex marriage.joshthor said:ah. didnt think of that.addeB said:I'm pretty sure Will Wright had homosexuality in the sims before bioware?joshthor said:they are the first big developer with a mainsteam game with a real noticable homosexual relationship (at least that ive seen) and they are under fire for not doing it on all thier games!? (i really want to say "how gay is that!?"