Blizzard: Valve Shouldn't Trademark DotA

[Exort]

Took the words right out of my mouth. Valve hires modders, giving them resources to create higher budget versions of their mods. They've been doing this forever. As a major PC game developer Blizzard should know about how Valve operates (or then again they've probably been too busy counting their WoW money). This doesn't "mark Valve's coolness factor" for me like some other people seem to suggest... it's ridiculous to hate Valve for doing what they've always done and we've praised them for.

Simply put, get over it people, and get over it Blizzard, DotA was never "yours" to begin with. It could just as easily been a Source mod, and to suggest that Valve is taking it away from the Warcraft community, maybe you should just suck it up and remember that you took Warcraft away from the warcraft community by making it an MMORPG.

You know Blizzard is actively hiring lot of Modder as well. For example, the Dev that is making Left 2 Die a free map by blizzard is a modder from WC3.
Also Warcraft is not dead, they said they have think about making Warcraft 4. But the RTS team spend the last 7 year on Starcraft 2, that is why they didn't have the time to consider making it.
Blizzard do know how Valve work, many of them said they are fan of Valve's games, but DotA is never Valve or IceFrogs's. IceFrog is not the creator of DotA or even DotA: Allstar.
The person from Blizzard that comment on this said he is a fan of valve's game as well.
He was asked the question on live stream. People ask him that question because Blizzard announced a free map called Blizzard Dota for Starcraft 2.
This is differnet from those MOD because Valve didn't hire the people that created DotA.
The creator of DotA is Eul, and the creator of DotA: Allstar is Guinsoo (later formed Riot games).
Funny you said DotA is not Blizzard or the community's but you don't say how that makes it Valve's. Because if it is not even community, how is it Valve's?

Finally, Valve haven't got the trademark yet. They just applied for it.

 

[xxcloud417xx]

Took the words right out of my mouth. Valve hires modders, giving them resources to create higher budget versions of their mods. They've been doing this forever. As a major PC game developer Blizzard should know about how Valve operates (or then again they've probably been too busy counting their WoW money). This doesn't "mark Valve's coolness factor" for me like some other people seem to suggest... it's ridiculous to hate Valve for doing what they've always done and we've praised them for.

Simply put, get over it people, and get over it Blizzard, DotA was never "yours" to begin with. It could just as easily been a Source mod, and to suggest that Valve is taking it away from the Warcraft community, maybe you should just suck it up and remember that you took Warcraft away from the warcraft community by making it an MMORPG.

You know Blizzard is actively hiring lot of Modder as well. For example, the Dev that is making Left 2 Die a free map by blizzard is a modder from WC3.
Also Warcraft is not dead, they said they have think about making Warcraft 4. But the RTS team spend the last 7 year on Starcraft 2, that is why they didn't have the time to consider making it.
Blizzard do know how Valve work, many of them said they are fan of Valve's games, but DotA is never Valve or IceFrogs's. IceFrog is not the creator of DotA or even DotA: Allstar.
The person from Blizzard that comment on this said he is a fan of valve's game as well.
He was asked the question on live stream.
This is differnet from those MOD because Valve didn't hire the people that created DotA.
The creator of DotA is Eul, and the creator of DotA: Allstar is Guinsoo (later formed Riot games).
Funny you said DotA is not Blizzard or the community's but you don't say how that makes it Valve's. Because if it is not even community, how is it Valve's?

Finally, Valve haven't got the trademark yet. They just applied for it.

Never said it was Valve's because it isn't, and I don't see how that has to be a factor in pointing out that it's not Blizzard's either. However, if they get the Trademark it will be.

And I'm also assuming Left 2 Die is a Left 4 Dead game mode or w/e? If it is, I'll bet Valve isn't getting all bitchy about it.

 

[Exort]

Never said it was Valve's because it isn't, and I don't see how that has to be a factor in pointing out that it's not Blizzard's either. However, if they get the Trademark it will be.

They never said it belongs to them they said it belong to the community. Seriously Blizzard release 3 or 4 DotA style free map for Warcraft3 if they want to DotA trademark they worked on it.

 

[Nouw]

Well if Blizzard got the guy who created it in the first place maybe it wouldn't be in this mess.

 

[xxcloud417xx]

Never said it was Valve's because it isn't, and I don't see how that has to be a factor in pointing out that it's not Blizzard's either. However, if they get the Trademark it will be.

They never said it belongs to them they said it belong to the community. Seriously Blizzard release 3 or 4 DotA style free map for Warcraft3 if they want to DotA trademark they already got it.

If they haven't Trademarked it, then no it doesn't belong to anyone. If Valve gets the TM then Valve will officially own the title and no matter how many DotA maps Blizzard made in the past will not matter. It was up to them to Copyright it when they had the chance. Sucks to be them.

 

[Exort]

Well if Blizzard got the guy who created it in the first place maybe it wouldn't be in this mess.

Well valve didn't got the guy the created DotA or DotA: allstar.

 

[Nouw]

Well if Blizzard got the guy who created it in the first place maybe it wouldn't be in this mess.

Well valve didn't got the guy the created DotA or DotA: allstar.

My bad, I thought it was that. Then who did they get?

 

[Exort]

Well if Blizzard got the guy who created it in the first place maybe it wouldn't be in this mess.

Well valve didn't got the guy the created DotA or DotA: allstar.

My bad, I thought it was that. Then who did they get?

Valve got IceFrog.
Unknown person created AoS in Starcraft.
Eul take the concept from AoS and created DotA in Warcraft 3.
Guinsoo made a fan made version of DotA called DotA: allstars.
Later Guinsoo left to form Riot game to create League of Legend (another DotA like game)
Guinsoo didn't want DotA: allstar to die out so he let IceFrog to countine update the map.

 

[wiredk]

Blizzard is just sad that all of their creativity fled the country when wow was released.
All that are left are Blizztards who wallow in the success of such devs as Bill Roper.

Blizzard doesn't own Dota, they don't have a say in DOTA. They want it to be attached to their name though so that they can continue to reap apon OTHER people's success.

As far as ownership of the mod, well the people who have claimed to work on it can sort that out. But I'm guessing that because they either abandoned the project or created a similar game with a different name (LoL) that they at some point said "Ok, I'm done with it, this is YOUR game".

Say what you want but the fact that Valve hires mod teams is heartening in an industry where programmers are cycled out daily on the same coding job(Blizzard)

 

[Exort]

Blizzard is just sad that all of their creativity fled the country when wow was released.
All that are left are Blizztards who wallow in the success of such devs as Bill Roper.

Blizzard doesn't own Dota, they don't have a say in DOTA. They want it to be attached to their name though so that they can continue to reap apon OTHER people's success.

As far as ownership of the mod, well the people who have claimed to work on it can sort that out. But I'm guessing that because they either abandoned the project or created a similar game with a different name (LoL) that they at some point said "Ok, I'm done with it, this is YOUR game".

Say what you want but the fact that Valve hires mod teams is heartening in an industry where programmers are cycled out daily on the same coding job(Blizzard)

What? many of dev in Blizzard are modder before... Have you attend at least one blizzcon? Their developers are very friendly to one and another, and often makes jokes.
for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrRvCxE2PLw
at 1:51
http://www.youtube.com/user/noobclubru#p/u/29/1BwtYxT4xcA
at 13:00
http://www.youtube.com/user/noobclubru#p/u/8/czOR73wJ9AE
at 9:40

If they are cycling job do you think they will let them do stuff like that?

And in this year Blizzcon some dev on stage of Editor and Custom map are Modder before and got hired by Blizzard. However unlike Valve they don't take the modder's work away from the community they leave it there for the community.

And this extend even outside of Blizzard, for example Popcap dev work with Blizzard dev many times. For example: Popcap's Bejewelled mod for WoW.

Also many dev of Blizzard are fan's of other game company like Valve, Popcap. They said that again and again in event or interviews.

Blizzard have a point DotA belong to the community not IceFrog or Valve. Icefrog is not even the creator of Dota or Dota: allstar. Blizzard themself already release different version of Dota like maps for free. In fact they released a ton of free maps over the years for Warcraft3. http://classic.battle.net/war3/maps/war3xbonusmaps.shtml <-- this is the old website only have map up to 9/20/2006.

I know lot of people thought they are just like EA or something just because they are very successful, but Blizzard start off as a company based on community just like valve and they keep it that way.

Edit: they only released one game after WoW... and from the single player of Starcrft 2 they are FULL of creativity. Go watch any review of Starcraft 2 which says single player mission isn't full of creativity.

 

[Exort]

Never said it was Valve's because it isn't, and I don't see how that has to be a factor in pointing out that it's not Blizzard's either. However, if they get the Trademark it will be.

And I'm also assuming Left 2 Die is a Left 4 Dead game mode or w/e? If it is, I'll bet Valve isn't getting all bitchy about it.

Left 2 die and Left 4 dead is two different game. The creator of Left 2 Die is a fan of Left 4 Dead he said that himself. However Left 2 die is the multiplayer version of Starcraft 2 Mission called Outbreak. The gameplay is nothing like Left 4 Dead. The mission outbreak is to defend against horde of Infested terran (or zombie as the community refer to them) at night and kill the infested structure in day. It is a RTS mission not a shooter.

But another Mod they are releasing is called StarJewelled which is very alike Bejewelled. It is basicly Bejewelled + RTS. Instead of just earning point you earn points to buy unit and kill your opponent. But Blizzard and Popcap (maker of Bejewelled) have a long history. Their developer help each other from time to time.

Also remember the fact Left 2 Die is a free map, not made for profit.
On the other hand, Dota isn't looking so bright.

 

[Exort]

It belongs to the community eh?

Shuddup Blizzard, Valve knows how to please the Community. Valve owns that shit know, get over it.

I was definely pleased when they released Mann Co. a Micro- transaction to a pull paid game, how nice of them.

Is that sarcasm I sense?

Of course...
How can I be please when they release Micro-transaction to a game I paid full price, letting alone the motive they did it (which is earning money, of course). They add gameplay changing Items in the store. So Basicly I have to farm three month to get a item, and the guy that spend the money get to own us with that item three month ago. If the store is just dyes and skin Im fine with it, even their motive is still earning money from us who already payed 50 dollars. I know Valve updated TF2 a lot. but if Blizzard did it just imagine the amount of QQ. Blizzard also release a ton of free content like http://classic.battle.net/war3/maps/war3xbonusmaps.shtml and patches (one patch even add new hero.). (that is a outdated website it only have maps up to 9/20/2006, there are more then that) People doublestandard too much?

 

[TwilightSnail]

I am about to rock your tiny little world.

Exort, I just read every single comment you have said, and I must say you are at the least very irrational

DotA isn't community run, its community driven, thats where you make your epic fail mistake. Icefrog does all of his work FOR the players, every decision ever made by him for the past was made for the players and the players only. DotA isn't touched by the community anymore, it is built FOR them not BY them, I don't know why you are not willing to accept this

Did you know Eul's Defense of the Ancients was around for 1 or 2 years, December 2002 until sometime in early or mid 2004

And Guinsoo's Dota Allstars (a map created by taking heroes from other popular custom maps) was under Guinsoos reign for a year? Oh you don't believe me do you?

v5.36
Released Date: Feb 24, 2004

v5.84b
Released Date: November 18, 2004

These are guinsoo's maps, barring a few before that time, but lets give him a year to be fair.

Icefrog has been going from

v6.00
Mar 01 2005

To todays date Oct 25 2010

Thats 5, almost 6 years friend, and you have the audacity (you probably need dictionary.com for that one 8 letters is hard I know) to say all Icefrog did was make a couple of heroes? Icefrog took this game from this...

""Guinsoo was the lead developer (before Icefrog), DotA had no competitive scene and maybe 5% of the players that it does today.""

To what it is today. There is no COMMUNITY creating Dota, it's all propoganda by the Dota Clones and Blizzard because they are nothing but scared. The Dota of the past was NOTHING compared to the current incarnation of Dota, and thats why Valve and Icefrog will hold the rights to this version. You are comparing a cap gun to a bazooka. Valve will get the trademark, Dota 2 will come out whether you like it or not so please stop trolling and wasting your time, very unbecoming of you.

 

[Exort]

I am about to rock your tiny little world.

Exort, I just read every single comment you have said, and I must say you are at the least very irrational

DotA isn't community run, its community driven, thats where you make your epic fail mistake. Icefrog does all of his work FOR the players, every decision ever made by him for the past was made for the players and the players only. DotA isn't touched by the community anymore, it is built FOR them not BY them, I don't know why you are not willing to accept this

Did you know Eul's Defense of the Ancients was around for 1 or 2 years, December 2002 until sometime in early or mid 2004

And Guinsoo's Dota Allstars (a map created by taking heroes from other popular custom maps) was under Guinsoos reign for a year? Oh you don't believe me do you?

v5.36
Released Date: Feb 24, 2004

v5.84b
Released Date: November 18, 2004

These are guinsoo's maps, barring a few before that time, but lets give him a year to be fair.

Icefrog has been going from

v6.00
Mar 01 2005

To todays date Oct 25 2010

Thats 5, almost 6 years friend, and you have the audacity (you probably need dictionary.com for that one 8 letters is hard I know) to say all Icefrog did was make a couple of heroes? Icefrog took this game from this...

""Guinsoo was the lead developer (before Icefrog), DotA had no competitive scene and maybe 5% of the players that it does today.""

To what it is today. There is no COMMUNITY creating Dota, it's all propoganda by the Dota Clones and Blizzard because they are nothing but scared. The Dota of the past was NOTHING compared to the current incarnation of Dota, and thats why Valve and Icefrog will hold the rights to this version. You are comparing a cap gun to a bazooka. Valve will get the trademark, Dota 2 will come out whether you like it or not so please stop trolling and wasting your time, very unbecoming of you.

I know that... I even remember when Icefrog' old Invoker completely made the game unplayable.

I said it is ok for him to have DotA: Allstar but not DotA. (I said that in two other posts)
Because DotA is now a genre, people refer LoL and HoN as DotA-like maps.
I know Eul just disappear and lot of Fan map comes out Like DotA: outland and DotA: Revenge. Among them DotA: Allstar was the best.

Look Im not saying Icefrog is bad or anything I have been play his version of DotA: allstar since 6.00 (ok, with the exception of 6.00 which invoker was broken)
I'm saying "He has done a lot for DotA, but not enough to take the name of the genre it self."
Just like if Westwood or Blizzard trademark RTS. They both done a lot but they don't own the genre.

Edit: I guess part of me felt cheated after reading Pendragon's post on dota-allstars.com and have been too hard on icefrog. But I clearly remember when S2 announce HoN Icefrog said something along the line of "competition is good" like he have nothing to do with it, and when IceFrog left dota-allstar.com I truely thought it was because he doesn't want to use DotA as a tool for money, after all he provide Soo many patch for free. But in the end I felt betrayed.

It isn't just me think that way, a lot of fans I know also did (Pendragon's post also stated to this). Farthermore, I remember the First Q&A of him had a question asking him about if he profit from ADs in other DotA fan site, of course he said no. But think for a second, if he was trying to profit from DotA why he choose this question? To me it felt he was trying to create that image of him.

but still I think he can have DotA: allstar but not DotA. (I post this more that once or twice.)

 

[Dommyboy]

DOTA 2 - MICRO-TRANSACTIONS EVERYWHERE!

 

[LandoCristo]

I kinda hope Valve will use DotA, but only copyright DotA2, so that modders and mappers from the Blizzard community can still use DotA.