Blizzard: Valve Shouldn't Trademark DotA
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What plans? To release a bunch of free mods to their community, with the stated goal that they'll be supporting Blizzard All-Stars with updates and patches (for free) here on out?Yosharian said:
Wow, those are great plans.
the mount is just look differetn not like stronger or anything, and still need the training to ride it.Ghengis John said:
Valve on the other hand is selling power In TF2.
For people that plays TF2: yes, they are selling power. How long does it take you to farm a hat? then a hat you WANT. really it is near impossible within a few month. So it is basicly buying power that last like 3 month (or way more if you play less.) or so.
To be fair, a better example would be iD complaining about Valve taking Team Fortress from their community to make Team Fortress Classic, since that's pretty much what's happening in regards of DOTA 2.Crasha said:
They gave it a lot of support for what it was, a community game. Blizzard didn't WANT DotA All-stars to be its own. What part of that is so impossible for you to understand? They wanted it to remain a community game. That's why they never sold it for their own. Do you really think they're DUMB from a business standpoint? If they wanted to hire the DotA guys they could have.Yosharian said:
I don't understand what WoW has to do with a lack of principles, that was my point.
And do you really not get that the only reason Blizzard is speaking out now is because they were asked about it? What is hard to understand here?
When did I say that? I said nothing about their wanting a trademark in any of my posts. I welcome you to scan them. For being the alleged, sole origin of my argument you'll find it conspicuously absent from any of my posts. I'll get back to you once you simmer down and stop yelling at me for what other people have said.bob1052 said:
I'd say that'd be a crime but unfortunately your example is flawed. It misses the key aspect that in order to view Star Wars people would first have to purchase the big thing that Lucas made. Every time they wanted to watch it they would give Lucas a little money. Lucas is fine with this agreement until Stanley Kubrick comes along and says "I'm filming my own version of Starwars." It also fails to appreciate that the fanbase wouldn't have actually created Starwars. It was mostly the work of a small talented team, one of whom is now in the employ of Lucas Film. I mean. what was your contribution really? Did you come up with the whole Darth Vader I am your father thing? Maybe it was your idea to make Jabba a slug? I'm going to bet money most of the people hawking the "community" line didn't contribute anything and are really just worried about the "free" status of their favorite mod.
1. Blizzard are releasing a free version of DotA. Your blatantly biased anti Blizzard nonsense is completely wrong.Yosharian said:
2. Hats in TF2 are the same as anything else in any other game. The result of a long time playing and working towards a goal. Reaching max level in an rpg, hitting the top of the scoreboard in a competitive game, or getting a hat in TF2 are all the exact same, except you can buy the hats.
Quoted by John Funk yeah!John Funk said:
I agree that there is an issue, most mods have a lot of people that work on the game for short amounts of time.
But i wanted to make clear why Icefrog, who made 2/3s of the heroes and is currently the only member of the dota team (so the only one you can really negotiate for an tm) should be the only one with a claim to the trademark if anyone has.
Since blizzards press release seems pretty much motivated by them missing out on the opportunity to do the same. Also nobody complained when valve did the same with Counter strike, Team fortress 2, Alienswarm and day of defeat. They did exactly the same, they hired the current mod team and trademarked it.
I think he was referring to the Polycount Packs where if you equip the whole set at the same time, you get a bonus. Since all these sets include a hat, there has been some grumbling. However, what many fail to realise is that the bonuses are balanced out by the disadvantages of the equipment. The often used example is the Sniper set getting immunity from headshot crits. The problem is a) the gun in the set can't get headshot crits and b) only Snipers and Spies can get headshot crits, thus it's fairly useless if you've got a Heavy in front of you.Yosharian said:
I agree with them on this, Valve really doesn't have the right to own the name.
That being said, I'm finding myself offended that Blizzard has the balls to attack someone for not doing "the right thing" when they themselves are on the warpath to sue every person who has modded Starcraft II. And not just suing them, but for ridiculously large sums of money.
That being said, I'm finding myself offended that Blizzard has the balls to attack someone for not doing "the right thing" when they themselves are on the warpath to sue every person who has modded Starcraft II. And not just suing them, but for ridiculously large sums of money.
They are. From a good-will standpoint fans love free stuff and good will is gold dust in the development world. Blizzard wanted to continue with DOTA gametypes and they've already put a lot of work and time(read money) into it. There's no reason to be so snarky. I agree those are great plans.JerrytheBullfrog said:
Well now you're just being insulting. I didn't say anything about a TRADEMARK did I? That's just what you and the voices in your head cooked up. I was referring to their plans to release a DOTA for SC2. Which, if you read the post above yours, you would have known. So once again, we come back to the fact you're getting mad at me over something you imagined. I haven't insulted you once have I? Hell of a great troll.bob1052 said:
I remember some hat is part of a item set. For example http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/The_Attendant.Yosharian said:
I hate Mann co.
When I bought TF2 I didn't sign up for micro transaction.
I remember I quit LoL as soon as I saw the price of things, because in early beta they told us in a interview, people should be able to get all the things in three month of farming, and it is not a grind fest. That made me lost faith in all form of micro-transaction that involve item with power, no matter if you can get it through other means.
You are trying to argue the exact words of your post while the obvious meaning of what you are saying was between the lines.Ghengis John said:
In a thread about the trademark, you say that the trademark (without mentioning the word trademark) interferes with Blizzards plans.
You did say something about the trademark, just because you don't use the specific word doesn't mean you didn't say it.
Suing every person who has modded SC2? Lol, what? They are suing the people developing the hacks, and if you think they ever expect to see more than a few dimes from that, you need to go back and read up on corporate law.Sporky111 said:
It isn't a press release. They were asked a question in an interview.GiantRedButton said:Quoted by John Funk yeah!John Funk said:
I agree that there is an issue, most mods have a lot of people that work on the game for short amounts of time.
But i wanted to make clear why Icefrog, who made 2/3s of the heroes and is currently the only member of the dota team (so the only one you can really negotiate for an tm) should be the only one with a claim to the trademark if anyone has.
Since blizzards press release seems pretty much motivated by them missing out on the opportunity to do the same. Also nobody complained when valve did the same with Counter strike, Team fortress 2, Alienswarm and day of defeat. They did exactly the same, they hired the current mod team and trademarked it.