Buying my first gun.

[Malyc]

Move to America and buy what ever guy you so please.

Okay, that's racist.



OT; People on this thread have probably far more valid recommendations, but I would like to point this one out, regardless of its functions, pros and cons, etc;

<spoiler=Walther PPK>

It's the Walther PPK; the same handgun that James Bond have practiced with in the majority of Ian Fleming's books and films. Stay classy, and wield the gun a spy would wield.

how is that racist? America is a nationality and has a ton of guns, nothing about race was brought up!

and yes, the PPK is excellent. small magazine, but then again, only pussies shoot twice.

As any law enforcement officer, soldier, self defense instructor, and anyone who knows anything about anatomy will tell you, you shoot til the target is no longer a threat. The Walther PPK is chambered in anemic cartridges (can't find it chambered in anything larger than the .380 round), which makes it VERY unlikely you will be able to stop someone in one shot. (INB4 headshots noob, the head is very small target compared to the torso, shoot for hits, not heads.)

 

[Jegsimmons]

Move to America and buy what ever guy you so please.

Okay, that's racist.



OT; People on this thread have probably far more valid recommendations, but I would like to point this one out, regardless of its functions, pros and cons, etc;

<spoiler=Walther PPK>

It's the Walther PPK; the same handgun that James Bond have practiced with in the majority of Ian Fleming's books and films. Stay classy, and wield the gun a spy would wield.

how is that racist? America is a nationality and has a ton of guns, nothing about race was brought up!

and yes, the PPK is excellent. small magazine, but then again, only pussies shoot twice.

As any law enforcement officer, soldier, self defense instructor, and anyone who knows anything about anatomy will tell you, you shoot til the target is no longer a threat. The Walther PPK is chambered in anemic cartridges (can't find it chambered in anything larger than the .380 round), which makes it VERY unlikely you will be able to stop someone in one shot. (INB4 headshots noob, the head is very small target compared to the torso, shoot for hits, not heads.)

of course, head shots are pointless, a upper torso/heart shot is the best way. even though the .380 isnt as big as other rounds, it will indeed stop most people...if not...its metal frame works as a great melee weapon....wouldnt recommend it though.

 

[Thaluikhain]

OK i used hyperbole but Australia, Britain, Canada, and even japan have experienced an increase in crime since their handgun bans or introduction to gun control.
the rest of Europe may not be suffering to to being landlocked or something. but to be fair, i havent check the rest of Europe.

I don't know about Britain, Canada or Japan, but crime in Australia decreased after gun controls were introduced. You could argue that it didn't do much to increase the rate that crime was decreasing, but saying that it increased the amounr of crime is wrong.

 

[ElPatron]

Get a water gun, the only type of gun worth getting. Seriously, why on Earth do you want a gun?

Why on Earth wouldn't you want one?

Be a real gentleman and buy a sword, that way you can challenge people to duals over matters of honour, and declare that the duel is to first blood. Much more civilized that way.

There is no honor in using a sword. Real men use their bare hands.

do any of you own any firearms or even go shooting yourselves?

I've never shot myself, didn't even know it was a hobby.

So everyone who has a gun is either a cop or a criminal?

The laws are pretty stringent here (NSW Australia) so I am thinking either a CZ75 9mm, or a SW .38 special

CZ75.

Because Czechnology. You can't beat it.

As any law enforcement officer, soldier, self defense instructor, and anyone who knows anything about anatomy will tell you, you shoot til the target is no longer a threat. The Walther PPK is chambered in anemic cartridges (can't find it chambered in anything larger than the .380 round), which makes it VERY unlikely you will be able to stop someone in one shot. (INB4 headshots noob, the head is very small target compared to the torso, shoot for hits, not heads.)

.380 is not a puny round. It's not 9x19, but like you said you shoot until the opponent is down.

I would absolutely trust .380 if I had to stick with a PPK.


Also, I thought this was about target shooting and not self-defense?

 

[laggyteabag]

my first pistol was a classic colt detective special .38 snubnose... got it on my 8th birthday and still have it

Are you kidding me...

 

[ElPatron]

my first pistol was a classic colt detective special .38 snubnose... got it on my 8th birthday and still have it

Are you kidding me...

Children as young as 9 or 10 have obtained shotgun permits in the UK.

The more you know...

 

[imnot]

IT BEGINS

First it's a little gun, then he's killing people on the street and selling cocaine to kids!
Just kidding, that only happens if you play video games.

Get a revolver of some sort, because revolvers are the only type of gun I like.
besides those German ones, mp4's or whatever.

 

[WanderingFool]

Hey guys,

I just got back from my holiday on Hamilton island, I got to have my first real go with a few different hand guns, a Glock 9mm, SW .38, SW.357 magnum and the fabled SW .44 Magnum.

I had an absolute ball and it has convinced me to purchase my first gun.

The laws are pretty stringent here (NSW Australia) so I am thinking either a CZ75 9mm, or a SW .38 special

what do you guys think?

do any of you own any firearms or even go shooting yourselves?

Do you want a gun to compensate for a small cock or because you live in a country of criminals?

Dude, lets be honest, if given the choice, you would take the biggest fucking handcannon you could...

Me? I would either take a Glock 17. Though that is simply for target shooting. If I wanted home/self-defense, I would either take something in .357 (wish the Russians actually did go through and produced the MP 412 REX), or go with a sawed off double barrel 12g with bird shot.

 

[Staskala]

OK i used hyperbole but Australia, Britain, Canada, and even japan have experienced an increase in crime since their handgun bans or introduction to gun control.
the rest of Europe may not be suffering to to being landlocked or something. but to be fair, i havent check the rest of Europe.

Well, then don't talk about "Europe" when you're only talking about the UK. The UK has some... "social issues", their violent crime rate has fuck all to do with the availability of firearms.
Japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world and they have guns outlawed since pretty much the end of WWII. In Japan's case it's also important to note that anti-gun laws are only sparsely enforced, with firearms not that hard to come by on the black market.

I'm so tired of people who know jack shit making up stuff to justify firearms. Just looking at a few wikipedia articles and drawing conclusions from thin air hardly makes for a good point. Nothing against you personally, but it makes being a sports shooter that much harder when everyone thinks of people like you when they hear "gun owner".

 

[Moosejaw]

OK i used hyperbole but Australia, Britain, Canada, and even japan have experienced an increase in crime since their handgun bans or introduction to gun control.
the rest of Europe may not be suffering to to being landlocked or something. but to be fair, i havent check the rest of Europe.

Well, then don't talk about "Europe" when you're only talking about the UK. The UK has some... "social issues", their violent crime rate has fuck all to do with the availability of firearms.
Japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world and they have guns outlawed since pretty much the end of WWII. In Japan's case it's also important to note that anti-gun laws are only sparsely enforced, with firearms not that hard to come by on the black market.

I'm so tired of people who know jack shit making up stuff to justify firearms. Just looking at a few wikipedia articles and drawing conclusions from thin air hardly makes for a good point. Nothing against you personally, but it makes being a sports shooter that much harder when everyone thinks of people like you when they hear "gun owner".

So one of the data points doesn't support your argument, so you toss it. The other one's a-ok and Japan obviously has no 'social issues', those guys are as average as it gets. Ask anybody.

Switzerland hasn't turned into Somalia. I don't think you even NEED to register or get a permit in Vermont and that place is not a Mad Max-like hellscape, last I checked.

There are legitimate reasons for owning a gun. Target shooting's a big one, and sure, self-defense can be another.

 

[Staskala]

So one of the data points doesn't support your argument, so you toss it. The other one's a-ok and Japan obviously has no 'social issues', those guys are as average as it gets. Ask anybody.

Switzerland hasn't turned into Somalia. I don't think you even NEED to register or get a permit in Vermont and that place is not a Mad Max-like hellscape, last I checked.

There are legitimate reasons for owning a gun. Target shooting's a big one, and sure, self-defense can be another.

No, I'm saying there is no argument to be made from random data points. There are many countries with high gun ownership and high crime rates, countries with low gun ownership and high crime rates, high gun ownership and low crime rate, etc.. You can make any argument you want by cherry-picking whatever country happens to suit you.
So sure, Switzerland, Germany, Norway, Sweden and Austria are obviously the only countries that are relevant, right?

 

[Gizmo1990]

Get a water gun, the only type of gun worth getting. Seriously, why on Earth do you want a gun?

hmmm, lets see, protection because every single country that has outlawed or heavily restricted guns has seen an increase in violent crime while US cities are shown to have less crime when gun bans are lifted?
or because its say....pfft....a fucking gun hobby?

You're kidding right?? Despite the fact that Australia has such stringent gun laws, we also have some of the lowest gun violence. Go figure.

The US on the other has some of the highest. Who'd a thunk it??

violent crime does not always equal gun violence. learn to read.
and explain why everyone in Switzerland has an assault rifle yet has something like 34 murders while Britain has almost no guns and is more violent than the US?

Also, consider the fact that:
USA has over 300 million people
is bordered with a country that is ran by criminals
and that most gun crime is comitted by people who dont buy guns legally (black market, smuggling, stolen, ect)
AND in every city that has had a gun ban has experienced a sharp increase in crime and when congress struck down all gun bans crime in these cities started to go down, like in chicago, DC, ect.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

I do not think that anyone needs a gun but I understand why you want one. But just so you know quoting The Daily Mail in an argument is like quoting Fox news.

 

[Grant Hobba]

Hey guys,

I just got back from my holiday on Hamilton island, I got to have my first real go with a few different hand guns, a Glock 9mm, SW .38, SW.357 magnum and the fabled SW .44 Magnum.

I had an absolute ball and it has convinced me to purchase my first gun.

The laws are pretty stringent here (NSW Australia) so I am thinking either a CZ75 9mm, or a SW .38 special

what do you guys think?

do any of you own any firearms or even go shooting yourselves?

Well if you want to get a a pistol in Australia, (for Victoria, not sure about NSW) you have to attend at least 12 pistol shoots a year, if you want an easier way to shoot shit, go for a longarms (rifles) license, you still have to get a legal reasons for wanting one, like, hunting, you live on a farm and you need to control wild animals, target shooting. Not just, I want a gun because they are cool.

I think you should get a M1911 or Glock of somesort. For rifles, you can't beat a Lee Enfield No.1 Mk I or III

I do thank you for your advice

but I know I can't say "guns are cool" I was always going to select the "target shooting" for my small arms license, I very much want to take up shooting as a hobby

and in NSW we cant get a handgun over a .38 caliber which means the M1911 is a no go that is a .45ACP

 

[ecoho]

Hey guys,

I just got back from my holiday on Hamilton island, I got to have my first real go with a few different hand guns, a Glock 9mm, SW .38, SW.357 magnum and the fabled SW .44 Magnum.

I had an absolute ball and it has convinced me to purchase my first gun.

The laws are pretty stringent here (NSW Australia) so I am thinking either a CZ75 9mm, or a SW .38 special

what do you guys think?

do any of you own any firearms or even go shooting yourselves?

if you have the hands for it a 9mm is a great pistal but i prefer my .45 colt, more stopping power and its got a good weight to it.

 

[Aur0ra145]

How much are you willing to spend?

 

[Keneth]

I was raised in a very rural area of Indiana, USA. Gun ownership is just a way of life around here. Almost everyone I know owns rifle, shotgun, or pistol for hunting and vermin control purposes. I myself have a nice Mossberg 20 guage for deer and an old Marlin .22 for "Varmints." I also have a Smith & Wesson .38 special revolver in my nightstand "just in case."

I prefer the smaller caliber pistols because I've never been a very big guy. I put a few rounds through an acquaintance of mine's .50 Desert Eagle. The recoil on the thing was ridiculous. In the time it took to aim, fire, and recover from one shot out of that monster, I could have emptied all 5 chambers of my revolver into a target.

 

[tsb247]

Go to war. Shoot someone. GET SHOT.
Then come back and tell me about how we need more guns in our life. DO IT.

This response is about as irrational as the talking lemon that is singing and dancing next to me on my desk.
//End Sarcasm

Blaming a machine for the deeds of man is not only just as irrational, but outright stupid.

Grow up.

Senordesol said it better than I ever could have. Please, kindly troll somewhere else.

 

[Giftfromme]

I'd say a minigun imo, like the ones you see in action movies. No one will mess with you if you have one of those.

 

[Jegsimmons]

OK i used hyperbole but Australia, Britain, Canada, and even japan have experienced an increase in crime since their handgun bans or introduction to gun control.
the rest of Europe may not be suffering to to being landlocked or something. but to be fair, i havent check the rest of Europe.

I don't know about Britain, Canada or Japan, but crime in Australia decreased after gun controls were introduced. You could argue that it didn't do much to increase the rate that crime was decreasing, but saying that it increased the amounr of crime is wrong.

really now? didnt the murder rate actually rise after the gun ban when the gov. spent 500 million dollars to destroy guns?

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

 

[Jegsimmons]

OK i used hyperbole but Australia, Britain, Canada, and even japan have experienced an increase in crime since their handgun bans or introduction to gun control.
the rest of Europe may not be suffering to to being landlocked or something. but to be fair, i havent check the rest of Europe.

Well, then don't talk about "Europe" when you're only talking about the UK. The UK has some... "social issues", their violent crime rate has fuck all to do with the availability of firearms.
Japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world and they have guns outlawed since pretty much the end of WWII. In Japan's case it's also important to note that anti-gun laws are only sparsely enforced, with firearms not that hard to come by on the black market.

I'm so tired of people who know jack shit making up stuff to justify firearms. Just looking at a few wikipedia articles and drawing conclusions from thin air hardly makes for a good point. Nothing against you personally, but it makes being a sports shooter that much harder when everyone thinks of people like you when they hear "gun owner".

.........because i made a point and backed it up with a source?

i have no idea what you're getting act.