That said getting a CAT A+B for hunting is quite easy, you just need to purchase a Registration of Interest to Hunt Pest Animals on Crown Land from the DSE, it's like $11.Mazza35 said:
Buying my first gun.
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No - I live in the UK where guns are banned and gun crimes are barely a problem, except for hunters, police and at shooting ranges.Grant Hobba said:
Once, a .88 bolt-action rifle -prone with iron sights- down a 100m range. Fired 20 shots, was great fun, hit the target 10 times and even managed to put a bullet through the same hole twice.
No , only during military service. I have fired a lot of times at target practice with a semi-automatc rifle G3A3 and also I have made several shots with the twin anti-aircraft cannon Rheinmetall. Guns are noisy, lethal and "manly"; they have their own charm, no doubt, but in my opinion one should stay away from real guns in their everyday life as much as possible. Anything can happen.
Yes, sort of, in NSW (and a lot of states) you can't hunt with a crossbow, you can possess a crossbow for sporting reasons, but need to apply for a exemption permit and store it in a safe. You can hunt with a bow without a license though.SmegInThePants said:
You're kidding right?? Despite the fact that Australia has such stringent gun laws, we also have some of the lowest gun violence. Go figure.Jegsimmons said:
The US on the other has some of the highest. Who'd a thunk it??
You can get clips restricted to whatever your local restrictions call for. You should probably take a close look at the barrel length laws in your area before ya start making choices. Usually with small length barrels you run into restriction laws. If your going to do mostly target shooting .22lr will keep things cheap. Even 9mm is fairly manageable. Jump out of that range and prices start to jump considerably. If your looking for a good value company look at Taurus.Grant Hobba said:I like the heavier feel but our by our laws we can't have a hand gun with a larger capacity than 10 roundsusmarine4160 said:
we also can't have larger than a .38
doesn't that just make you appreciate just about every other countries gun laws just that bit more?
That's not a bad suggestion, pre 1901 firearms don't require a license (though revolvers vary by state).Lumber Barber said:
Not worth the money really. Real men use a pipe, spark plug and any flammable liquid to make a lemon cannon.
nope, probably more the "if you have a gun, you can screw up even more!" mentality.tsb247 said:
Because humans are not known for their good handling of responsibility and power. : D
so, don't buy one. there's nothing in life that really deserves bullets.
Including you, because having a gun makes other gun owners even more nervous.
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also this:
I agree, get a real weapon, man, not some random gun ! D:Trippy Turtle said:
If you're looking at the CZ 75 you might also check out the CZ 82.Grant Hobba said:
The CZ 82 will run you two hundred USD to the CZ 75's five hundred USD price tag. The round fired by the CZ 82 is a 9x18 makarov, compared to the 75's 9x19 parabellum.
The advantage: Makarov rounds are about 30 percent cheaper.
The disadvantage: Makarov rounds have a very slight disadvantage in power and accuracy.
If you are willing to spend a bit more, the P229 and the S&W M&P 9mm are both excellent firearms, I've used both and never had any issues with jamming or inaccuracy. They'll run you somewhere around seven hundred USD though, so if money is a bit tight go with a CZ.
Okay, that's racist.Jegsimmons said:
OT; People on this thread have probably far more valid recommendations, but I would like to point this one out, regardless of its functions, pros and cons, etc;
<spoiler=Walther PPK>
It's the Walther PPK; the same handgun that James Bond have practiced with in the majority of Ian Fleming's books and films. Stay classy, and wield the gun a spy would wield.
Probably because you couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from more than 60 yards away using one, plus your rate of fire was something like 3 rpm.WolfThomas said:
Well, I've talked to a fellow who lives in Canada about them. I'd assume the gun laws are similar. I'd go with an SKS semi-automatic rifle, in 'restricted' countries they're limited to fixed five round magazine with a steel plate welded into the magazine so it can only accept five rounds. The factory magazines accept 10 rounds, and you can buy extended magazines up to 20, 30, or 50 rounds, but I don't think they are available in Canada or Australia. I also believe the extended magazines are illegal in those countries, plus the UK. But you can still get one with a fixed five round magazine, and they're extremely fun to shoot with.
If you're looking for a handgun, I have a personal preference towards Smith and Wesson revolvers. I own a .357 model 586 and it's performed very reliably, and it's pretty accurate for a handgun. It can also chamber .38 special. The problem I have with .38 special, and even 9mm, is that they're not particularly hard hitting rounds. Usually it'll take several rounds to kill someone, and even if you don't want to kill them it'll take several rounds to knock them down to the point where you can either escape or call the police.
Do you at all have the option of getting a .45 caliber Colt semi-automatic or a Kimber .45 semi-automatic? If so, I would go with them. Really any .45 is a decent choice for self defense. The .45 ACP is a very reliable, hard hitting round that will put a person down in one or two shots. There's a reason it was called the "door buster" during WWII. For personal defense, I would say it's your best bet. Otherwise you can get a semi-automatic in 10mm magnum, also a very powerful round, I would say better than the .45 myself, as it's a magnum cartridge and firing at a higher velocity, as long as it's a fragmentation round it'll do the job and probably better. American Arms and Glock make 10mm models I know, and there's other companies out there. However 10mm ammunition isn't as common as .45, and thus more expensive. However I've fired both .45 ACP and 10mm, and honestly I'd say the 10mm is the better round.
If you're looking for a revolver, I would go with Smith & Wesson or Ruger. And I personally use a .357 Smith and Wesson Model 586 revolver with carved "dum dum" soft tip bullets for home defense. I've never had a loading or firing problem with my revolver. I have, however, fired enough pistols, in .22. 9mm, 7.62x25, .45, and even 10mm to come to the conclusion that semi-automatic handguns, especially when firing defensive ammunition and not full metal jacket ammunition, will fail to load. I don't trust them, your mileage may vary.
But for self defense, I really wouldn't go with anything less than a .357 magnum. A .38 special doesn't cut it, they don't have enough of a powder charge behind them to stop an attacker unless you shoot them directly in the face. It may happen, but it would be an off chance. So .357, .44, 10mm, .40 .45 ACP or .45 LC. Those would work, but 9mm, or .38 special, .22LR or .380 I would not recommend if you're looking at a handgun for self defense.
So yes, there's my two cents, coming from an American who has been around firearms since he was 10, and who has worked in a store that sold and refurbished firearms, and owns 10 firearms. And some people say I have an "unhealthy fixation" on firearms, and other people say I'm a "firearm genius". It's all a matter of perspective.
If you're looking for a handgun, I have a personal preference towards Smith and Wesson revolvers. I own a .357 model 586 and it's performed very reliably, and it's pretty accurate for a handgun. It can also chamber .38 special. The problem I have with .38 special, and even 9mm, is that they're not particularly hard hitting rounds. Usually it'll take several rounds to kill someone, and even if you don't want to kill them it'll take several rounds to knock them down to the point where you can either escape or call the police.
Do you at all have the option of getting a .45 caliber Colt semi-automatic or a Kimber .45 semi-automatic? If so, I would go with them. Really any .45 is a decent choice for self defense. The .45 ACP is a very reliable, hard hitting round that will put a person down in one or two shots. There's a reason it was called the "door buster" during WWII. For personal defense, I would say it's your best bet. Otherwise you can get a semi-automatic in 10mm magnum, also a very powerful round, I would say better than the .45 myself, as it's a magnum cartridge and firing at a higher velocity, as long as it's a fragmentation round it'll do the job and probably better. American Arms and Glock make 10mm models I know, and there's other companies out there. However 10mm ammunition isn't as common as .45, and thus more expensive. However I've fired both .45 ACP and 10mm, and honestly I'd say the 10mm is the better round.
If you're looking for a revolver, I would go with Smith & Wesson or Ruger. And I personally use a .357 Smith and Wesson Model 586 revolver with carved "dum dum" soft tip bullets for home defense. I've never had a loading or firing problem with my revolver. I have, however, fired enough pistols, in .22. 9mm, 7.62x25, .45, and even 10mm to come to the conclusion that semi-automatic handguns, especially when firing defensive ammunition and not full metal jacket ammunition, will fail to load. I don't trust them, your mileage may vary.
But for self defense, I really wouldn't go with anything less than a .357 magnum. A .38 special doesn't cut it, they don't have enough of a powder charge behind them to stop an attacker unless you shoot them directly in the face. It may happen, but it would be an off chance. So .357, .44, 10mm, .40 .45 ACP or .45 LC. Those would work, but 9mm, or .38 special, .22LR or .380 I would not recommend if you're looking at a handgun for self defense.
So yes, there's my two cents, coming from an American who has been around firearms since he was 10, and who has worked in a store that sold and refurbished firearms, and owns 10 firearms. And some people say I have an "unhealthy fixation" on firearms, and other people say I'm a "firearm genius". It's all a matter of perspective.
Don't forget paintball guns! One of the best purchases I've ever made, and it's something I can actually use.Tazzy da Devil said:
Other than that, I agree completely. I don't see why anyone outside of law enforcement or the military needs to own a gun. Unless they are legitimately hunting for food or carrying them through the bush for self defense.
Americans are a race now? When did that happen?iLikeHippos said:
Also it seems that the definition of racist has broadened a fair bit.
Semi-automatics are a catergory C firearms (with a mag restriction of 10) in Australia, you need to be a primary producer (farmer) who can prove that CAT A+B firearms (pump, bolt, lever action rifles, lever and break action shotguns) aren't enough. Or a professional hunter/culler can get ONE semi-automatic with up to a 30 round mag.Vern said:
With handguns you get either a sporting license (with 10round limit) or one for professional security purposes (no limit). With the sporting one you can't shoot greater than .38 without a dispensation.
Easiest thing for the OP to get would be a CAT A+B license and get a nice lever gun, bolt action rifle or double barreled shotgun.
Depends, up until recently a friend of mine's father possessed a working unregistered Mauser C96 pistol due to the loopholes that made it an antique. But some of those rifles around the turn of the century are still pretty accurate and fast to load (there's bolt and lever action rifles under that catergory), the biggest problem is how rare the ammunition is for many, and that which exists is pretty old.BlackStar42 said:
Yea I hate Australia's gun laws, but we make do right?
I wouldn't get a glock, but that's personal opinion. I didn't fancy the recoil and I hate the design.
Go for anything Kimber so long as it isn't dual toned Reliable. Legal.
CZ is also marvelous and I'm looking forward to finding a way to get a CZ 97b, otherwise a 75 SP-01 will have to do! hahaha but there's even control and recoil, fine accuracy and all that jazz.
and Beretta is always a safe bet.
Revolvers are great, but unless you're a hardcore hunter and can prove it, the government will never let you have it.
I wouldn't get a glock, but that's personal opinion. I didn't fancy the recoil and I hate the design.
Go for anything Kimber so long as it isn't dual toned
Reliable. Legal.CZ is also marvelous and I'm looking forward to finding a way to get a CZ 97b, otherwise a 75 SP-01 will have to do! hahaha but there's even control and recoil, fine accuracy and all that jazz.
and Beretta is always a safe bet.
Revolvers are great, but unless you're a hardcore hunter and can prove it, the government will never let you have it.