China Bans Avatar

lSHaDoW-FoXl

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Orcus_35 said:
there's no freedom in China, a Dictature remains what it is. just look at China's 4000 years History only emperors and Tyrans...

this pic is a good example:

I agree, Socialism is a terrible, terrible thing. Countries like Canada, Britain, and South Korea utilize lots of Socialist ideals, arguably the three of them are Socialist - Democratic, and it's definitely clear the three of them are going down the shit hole.

It's disgusting to see that everyone, regardless of ethnicity and origin are allowed basic rights, even worse, is that everyone's allowed free health care, not just those with millions and millions of dollars.

It's also wrong to see homosexuality being actually acceptable in those three countries too.

Obviously, I'm being sarcastic. It's incredibly stupid to even suggest Socialism is responsible for so much death, especially since it's the more socialist countries that have troubles even allowing a fucking death penalty.

For one, Stalin didn't have any socialist ideas at all. Why? Because Socialism isn't communism! And I wouldn't even assume it was the government, Stalin was paranoid, which once again, has nothing to do with Socialism.

Peoples Republic as well isn't Socialist, they're Communist/Dictatorship I'd assume, and they're also incredibly backwards. So you fail on this end.

Thirdly. Hitler wasn't socialist, he was a dictator ship. It is true however, that the nazi party its self was socialism, but they had nothing to do with the policies. In the end they were just a political party. Oh, and the Axis weren't the only bad people in ww2.

In 1938, a year before the war started it was official that the politicians knew what Hitler was doing to all those people. 'TIME 1938 EDITION' proves that the leaders knew this was going on, yet they did absolutely nothing to help all those people being killed day and night, instead they swept the problem under the rug and would years later state -

'None of the countries knew of the holocaust' <--Bull shit coming from a non socialist, democratic leader.

But I digress. In the end there is absolutely nothing wrong with Socialism, who do you think America was helping in the Vietnam War? Last time I checked, South Vietnam, a socialist faction. And personally, I prefer a Socialist Democracy over Democracy, simply because where I live being my self isn't illegal in 25 states. *Sadly, this is hardly an exageration*

Aw well, maybe you'll learn that Socialism - Democracy, or even just socialism isn't that bad. One of these days, you might just break an arm, lose a leg, or have a heart attack, and you know what? You'll probably have to give away all your possessions away just for the hospital to save your life.

Or maybe, you'll have to get rid of all that money you worked 10 years to acquire, just because of an accident. An accident that maybe even you weren't responsible of. The insurance companies won't help you, they'll just ignore you and find any excuse in not having to pay for the injury, putting you in an even bigger hole. Oh, and while you're crying, perhaps because you had to get rid of your home for something that was unavoidable, your precious fellow American's will just kick you in the face giving you a last. 'Fuck you.'

I'm sorry to hear that us horrible socialists are taken care of, perhaps not very greatly, but at least after my mother had a heart attack *and survived it* All of our possessions didn't have to be sold to save her.

But, as of the topic -

I'm not at all surprise that China has done this, actually. It seems they're always doing something around these lines. My own assumption is that it's some sort of cover up to make their country look better, and cleaner. (An attempt, which is very bad)
 

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Xanadu84 said:
There's a pretty ridiculous cycle of China shooting itself in the foot. A modern day problem presents itself. China treats it with a heavy handed approach. Heavy handed approach does far more damage to there credibility then ignoring the problem could ever have. Looks like they managed to turn a few whispers in theaters in to an all out social movement. I can't help but think that China won't ever quite manage to be on top as a superpower as long as they think they can put out a fire with gasoline.
Interesting choice of words, and I agree.
 

Keepitclean

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Don't ban the movie, ban the shitty fucking game.

I understand why the Chinese governemnt may feel threatend by the film.
 

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Orcus_35 said:
To the creators of the image: HITLER WAS A FACIST *ahem* now as for the point it brings, its correct, most dictators end up brutally murdering people because their scared but that image reminds me a lot of capitalist propaganda, but since the victor writes the history, the allies murdered hundreds of thousands if not millions of German civilians in WW2 which is a war crime, yet no one ever talks about it
OT: not surprised, ever heard of the podcast Search Engine? they spend half their time talking about the censorship in china, so this comes as no surprise
 

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Jbird said:
Forget Avatar; sign me up to the Confucius biopic with Chow Yun-Fat.
I'm with you on this one. Chow Yun-Fat makes my day, as does Confucius. Import please!
 

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"For audiences in other countries, such brutal eviction is something outside their imagining. It could only take place on another planet or in China."

I'm not one of them or anything but I just want to point this out if no one else did.

"muther fudging NATIVE AMERICANS!"

PS:Yes,I am American but Technically my ancestors didn't do the whole native american thing
*you know what I'm talking about* or slavery for that matter.
 

Tdc2182

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So what You are trying to tell me... Is that Chow-yun-fat is slowly destroying the world, starting with movies?
 

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Disaster Button said:
I'm pretty sure more people than just China have suffered from forced relocation. Really its just a bit short sighted for one blogger to claim that only the Chinese can identify with forced relocation.

Wouldn't the government not want to ban it anyway to prevent drawing even more attention and try and at least deny the parallels, even if they are there.
I would have thought the anti-Military Industrial Complex message would have resonated as anti-capitalist there, and that's probably why it was released at all. Still, I hadn't thought of this alagory at all... very interesting.
 

Fox242

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Typical Chicoms: be paranoid about everything that doesn't follow the strictist standards of the government's backwards ideals and policies.
 

maninahat

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I don't blame them, I'd have banned the film myself. Fucking thing sucks.

I'm fairly sympathetic to China's situation in most online arguments, but there is no way I am going to try and defend their rampant censorship. Their extremist conservative mentality towards movies is laudable: remove the swearing, the violence, the homosexuality, the sex. The film Lust, Caution almost doomed the career of its leading actress, Tang Wei, just because of the graphic sexual content in the film (much of which was cut in the PRC release). The fact that they found a political reason to get rid of Avatar is all the more ridiculous.
 

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I loved Avatar but I can't see why China would just go and ban it. I guess they thought that the connections were already too obvious and well known that banning it would be better than ignoring it.

I can't make much connections between the Chinese people and the Na'vi but then again I don't live there.
 

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Orcus_35 said:
You should know that at that time, Hitler's party was called NSDAP for a reason
(National Socialist German Workers Party) DUH!
Democratic People's Republic of China.

Hmmm...

Speaking of the Democratic People's Republic of China, and to get back on topic, one must wonder. I'm sure we've all read books or seen movies featuring an oppressive government, and some text or film becomes a symbol for the revolutionaries, above and beyond the intent of the original author. It would be... interesting, to say the least, if Avatar was this text.
 

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It's such a shame. Looking out for the good of everyone and valuing equality is an admirable goal; unfortunately, the creation of government necessitates an inherent inequality in order to institute any control. Then, instead of true communism, you get glorified fascism.
 

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ClockWork said:
Socialism is still a terrible system. Any country in which the government has that much power will inevitable have something go wrong, probably involving peoples individual rights being violated for the supposed "good" of the many.
That word you keep using, I do not think it means what you think it does. Half of Europe, the US and the UK all have socialistic states. Now, if we "fix" your statement to say: "Autocracy" or even "Maoism" instead of "Socialism," then we're off the the ballpark. As it is, it's like saying "Lack of gun control is a terrible thing because it will inevitably lead to too many cars on the road."

China isn't really a socialst state. Hell, it's not even a Marxist one in any way. It's a free/planned hybred market dictatorship. For that matter Stalinist Russia wasn't much better, it was a dictatorship with lipservice to Marx.