Conflict between Palestine and Israel escalates

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A few extra dollars for the defence industry doesn't outweigh politicians looking after themselves.
It really seems to in the United States for a variety of reasons.

They risk huge embarrassment - and electoral pain - to go all in on Israel when it is led by a corrupt thug with a history of not listening to his allies, liable to kick off a human rights catastrophe and further destabilise the Middle East. Even if support for Israel largely survives, a regional crisis could be interpreted as mismanagement of foreign affairs.
One would hope.

A Democratic Pary leader might be particularly wise to be cautious, because a lot more Democratic voters are skeptical towards Israel and sensitive to a slaughter.
But have you considered: Trump bad?

Because the official Arabic-language IDF page is this. The profile that posted that has been taken down-- not just the post being deleted, but the profile itself no longer exists, which definitely wouldn't happen for an official IDF profile. Plus, the official pages all have verification marks on Facebook, whereas that one didn't.
I see. I wonder if we'll ever know who is responsible.
 

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It really seems to in the United States for a variety of reasons.
As if China would do anything better. An incompetent, one-leader-ruled, victimhood complex, whiny, anti-innovation, too petty to accept the truth, too petty for news orgs, subservient populace ruling party which is too weak to patrol the world's oceans on which international trade is the only thing keeping many countries from starving would have done nothing, and forced Israel to bribe them with tribute to oppress the Palestinians.
 

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As if China would do anything better. An incompetent, one-leader-ruled, victimhood complex, whiny, anti-innovation, too petty to accept the truth, too petty for news orgs, subservient populace ruling party which is too weak to patrol the world's oceans on which international trade is the only thing keeping many countries from starving would have done nothing, and forced Israel to bribe them with tribute to oppress the Palestinians.
???

Not sure what this has to do with the situation in Palestine, but people in China are dramatically more satisfied with the performance of their government than the United States, suggesting that their government is more responsive to public opinion. If (as it seems) you want to take a step back and look at the broader geopolitics, then it is worth noting that the United States has vetoed two UNSC resolutions since Oct. 7 related to Palestine. If I'm not mistaken, the first was proposed by Russia and the second Brazil. I think they were the lone vote against each time. So the United States is not responsive to domestic anti-genocide opinion nor international anti-genocide opinion.
 

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Not sure what this has to do with the situation in Palestine, but people in China are dramatically more satisfied with the performance of their government than the United States, suggesting that their government is more responsive to public opinion. If (as it seems) you want to take a step back and look at the broader geopolitics, then it is worth noting that the United States has vetoed two UNSC resolutions since Oct. 7 related to Palestine. If I'm not mistaken, the first was proposed by Russia and the second Brazil. I think they were the lone vote against each time. So the United States is not responsive to domestic anti-genocide opinion nor international anti-genocide opinion.
What people?!?!? Because what I am hearing is if you don't make manager by 35 or 40 you're fired because you're perceived as being a loser. This isn't from me, it's from my mom on what happened to our aunt in an office building.

Is it from the Chinese Gen Z who is lying down, letting it rot, can't find good paying full-time jobs not wiping old people's area where the sun don't shine?

Is it from the ABCs/ Sea Turtles who are treated as second or third-class citizens and have their loyalties questioned????

All China had to do was crush the Americans in the economy was by not burning the economy like they did after the Mogrol invasion or Mao's cultural revolution. They failed what a child doing nothing could have done.
 

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What people?!?!? Because what I am hearing is if you don't make manager by 35 or 40 you're fired because you're perceived as being a loser. This isn't from me, it's from my mom on what happened to our aunt in an office building.

Is it from the Chinese Gen Z who is lying down, letting it rot, can't find good paying full-time jobs not wiping old people's area where the sun don't shine?

Is it from the ABCs/ Sea Turtles who are treated as second or third-class citizens and have their loyalties questioned????

All China had to do was crush the Americans in the economy was by not burning the economy like they did after the Mogrol invasion or Mao's cultural revolution. They failed what a child doing nothing could have done.
uh, ok

anyway


unless Al-Jazeera is just incorrect, Israel is literally not accepting the release of two captives held by Hamas for nothing in return. Apparently it would make Hamas look magnanimous, and that's unacceptable. However, admitting to this seems to have the same effect if not worse for Israel, so I'm not sure of their calculation. Seems too clever by half. Not my problem, thankfully, and I suppose I should defer to Israeli expertise when it comes to the management of optics and propaganda.
 

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unless Al-Jazeera is just incorrect, Israel is literally not accepting the release of two captives held by Hamas for nothing in return.
In one respect, Al-Jazeera is just incorrect: Israel did not confirm any such offer was made. They referred to the claim that an offer was made as "mendacious propaganda". The Al-Jazeera live page no longer makes the claim shown in that tweet (if it did before).

This isn't to say anything about whether the actual incident happened or not. It seems very clear that Netanyahu cares little for the hostages' safety: some of their families have begged him to negotiate, but he's outright refused. And there have also been (unverified) reports that IDF bombing raids have killed some of their own hostages.
 
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I was a little suprised by how gung-ho a lot of the Western leaders were. If Israel invades Gaza and the death toll starts getting nasty, there'll be some hefty backpedalling.

I kind of get the feeling that everyone's been trying to forget about the Palestinians. If Hamas has achieved anything, it's wrecking that strategy.
It is a bit strange for Germany :

Chancellor Scholz is affirming at every opportunity that he stands with israel, promises support and equates Israel critique with antisemitism.

At the same time foreign minister Bärbock is talking more about Palestinensian casualties than Israeli ones, promises and organizes support for Gaza and talks about how two state solution is the only solution.

Both have been touring Israel and various Arab states - but seperately.


This coalition gouvernment is working as flawlessly as always.

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Edit : Ah and yes, of course the LInke is infighting again. Seems like they finally split.
 

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Not sure what this has to do with the situation in Palestine, but people in China are dramatically more satisfied with the performance of their government than the United States, suggesting that their government is more responsive to public opinion.
Er, really?

It could suggest a lot of things, such as that China is much more effective at controlling public opinion, such as with widespread curbs on free speech and journalism.

It could also simply represent the different trajectories of the two countries. China has experienced massive growth and increasing power and influence on the world stage, which naturally may tend to give the Chinese a sense of optimism about the future. The USA, however, is facing relative decline with its power and influence on the global stage steadily eroding, and thus pessimism. This will translate to different perceptions of governmental competence independent of the actual competence of the two governments.
 

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Edit : Ah and yes, of course the LInke is infighting again. Seems like they finally split.
Yeah, I saw that. The new party is named after its leader: that's not a warning sign about narcissism or personality cult at all.
 

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The prophesied mendacious propaganda appears:
Do you not realize you've made yourself wrong in every possible scenario?

If this is Hamas releasing the women to go back to Israel before you posted, they were not rejected, so you spread misinformation.
If Hamas filmed this after you posted, then this isn't evidence for the original claim at all, so you spread misinformation.
You proliferate obvious propaganda, and then post things proving yourself wrong, and you don't even notice.
 

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Do you not realize you've made yourself wrong in every possible scenario?

If this is Hamas releasing the women to go back to Israel before you posted, they were not rejected, so you spread misinformation.
If Hamas filmed this after you posted, then this isn't evidence for the original claim at all, so you spread misinformation.
You proliferate obvious propaganda, and then post things proving yourself wrong, and you don't even notice.
A third possibility: Israel declined to receive the hostages, so Hamas elected to free them without the involvement of the Israeli government-- via the Red Crescent iirc. Why you didn't think of this possibility is anyone's guess.