Dark Souls Port Brings Console Problems to PC

[lacktheknack]

Should have seen this coming.

I'm still getting it, except I'm gonna wait a bit and see if it's as glitchy as all hell.

If its exactly like the console version (like From seems to be saying), 95% of the problems will be bearable lag in blighttown. It isnt that bad either.

Only other problem I had was summoning someone and lag just hitting me hard, but that aint the games fault.

It's literally impossible to make the game "exactly" like the console version, unless you're playing on the console's hardware.

...Which we aren't. And that's where the hardware glitches invade.

Whether intentional or not, you kind of created a pun there.

Whoever buys the PC port for Dark Souls, there needs to be 1 person out there who creates a character named Hardware Glitches and rolls him as a Darkwraith. Greatest phantom ever.

Done.

I wonder how many people I'll utterly freak out?

 

[Nietz]

It's a shame that this port isn't getting the attention it deserves from the developers, it seems like a great game, and it'd be even better if they managed to iron out the kinks. I will get it regardless. I've been very interested in this game for a long time, and I have never even played it. I think I've seen it played(live) once, a friend of mine borrowed if of some dude.

There is one other thing though... Can't we ever stop acting like children? Gamers are gamers, regardless of the platform they choose. Why must we always resort to flinging crap at each other whenever a divide between platforms comes up? It wasn't fun in the Nintendo/Sega days, and it's only gotten worse. This is really ugly and pathetic. >_<

As a side note: It's funny how my spell-checker moans when I type Nintendo with a lower-case N, but doesn't give two sh*ts about how I type Sega.

 

[tobi the good boy]

Sweet, I can actually give the game a go now (a distinct lack of console made it difficult). My only wish is that they'd have put armoured core 5 on PC, but it is one of their lesser profiting games so I can understand it.

 

[Weaver]

bit dissapointed at some of the reactions about pc elitsm, i understand where they are coming from and altough i am a pc only gamer (financial reasons) i can see the fun and advantages of consoles and enjoy them when visiting friends. the 30 frames are really not a problem, but the resolution is a bit of a hitch, in the sense that on a tv the scaling and distance from the tv help alot but this may not be the case sitting close to the monitor.

Not only this, but I'm amazed people are unaware that (some) HD TV's are not just big computer monitors. They interpolate images when they framerate is lower than their prescribed framerate that gives the image more of an illusion of smoothness. It's called Motion Interpolation and it's a real thing, and is not present in PC monitors. There's a reason, besides distance, why 30FPS looks good on my TV, but looks choppy on my monitor.

 

[Burst6]

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Not only this, but I'm amazed people are unaware that (some) HD TV's are not just big computer monitors. They interpolate images when they framerate is lower than their prescribed framerate that gives the image more of an illusion of smoothness. It's called Motion Interpolation and it's a real thing, and is not present in PC monitors. There's a reason, besides distance, why 30FPS looks good on my TV, but looks choppy on my monitor.

Actually i have my PS3 hooked up to my desktop monitor and dark souls ran perfectly for me. I didn't notice any choppiness, even when i connected my PS3 on my HDTV and compared them.

Also don't most HD TV's have a gaming mode that turns off all the extra things to prevent delay, like Motion Interpolation? That's what i did with my TV because all my actions had a .5s lag to them from all the extra image enhancements.

 

[Rainforce]

You guys wanted Dark Souls, you're getting it, warts and all.


The game isn't going to be worse on PC, it's going to be exactly the same as the console version, the version you petitioned so hard to get.

And you get free DLC.

Don't forget that the FPS drop will still be not as bad as the console version, at least that's what some E3 visitors said.
so we will rather get a slightly improved version plus free DLC.

also 30FPS cap is the reason why we can't have nice things, of course.
(while said bitchy people also watch their HD movies at 24fps or something without any complains)
life is hard if you're an entitled pc gamer who deserves so much more.

EDIT: aaand I should've probably read all the pages, instead of just the first. Cue me retelling everything that was already said before

 

[G32420NL]

You guys wanted Dark Souls, you're getting it, warts and all.


The game isn't going to be worse on PC, it's going to be exactly the same as the console version, the version you petitioned so hard to get.

And you get free DLC.

Don't forget that the FPS drop will still be not as bad as the console version, at least that's what some E3 visitors said.
so we will rather get a slightly improved version plus free DLC.

also 30FPS cap is the reason why we can't have nice things, of course.
(while said bitchy people also watch their HD movies at 24fps or something without any complains)
life is hard if you're an entitled pc gamer who deserves so much more.

But a movie is something different from a game :S in a movie you dont have to react to events, but as i said, i dont mind 30 frames as long as it stays in that neigborhood.

I find that 30 frames does give a game a filmic feel while 60 fps gives a bit more realism en fluid feel.

 

[the doom cannon]

Why do people insist on claiming we get free dlc? It's included, yes, but we're also paying a higher cost than for the console version. Can we stop jumping on the bandwagon of pc elitism claims? This isn't the issue here. The issue is that they made a lazy, half-assed port. The fact that they made it is awesome, but they only made it halfway. So they smoothed out the most laggy part of the entire game. If they didn't they would be getting even more heat. HD movies look blurry during fast motion. On a good pc game it's crisp, clean movements. As pc gamers we expect devs to take advantage of the hardware available now, not the hardware available 7 years ago. Good devs understand that and make good ports. But when a good dev team doesn't understand that, well you get Dark Souls PC, which isn't bad, but it isn't good either.

 

[Rainforce]

But a movie is something different from a game :S in a movie you dont have to react to events, but as i said, i dont mind 30 frames as long as it stays in that neigborhood.

I find that 30 frames does give a game a filmic feel while 60 fps gives a bit more realism en fluid feel.

I see the problem, and would agree, but:
experience (and of course observations from 3rd parties) tells me that 30 FPS are good enough, as you calculate most of the stuff that is going on in the game subconsciously instead of actually seeing it (which is really shitty from our brains and we all like to be in denial about it). so as long as it's above 20-something you're surprisingly fine.

 

[G32420NL]

But a movie is something different from a game :S in a movie you dont have to react to events, but as i said, i dont mind 30 frames as long as it stays in that neigborhood.

I find that 30 frames does give a game a filmic feel while 60 fps gives a bit more realism en fluid feel.

I see the problem, and would agree, but:
experience (and of course observations from 3rd parties) tells me that 30 FPS are good enough, as you calculate most of the stuff that is going on in the game subconsciously instead of actually seeing it (which is really shitty from our brains and we all like to be in denial about it). so as long as it's above 20-something you're surprisingly fine.

I agree with your point to a degree, it's why bf3 and cod on console both feel good to me and it could never ruin my fun when a game is capped at 30 fps. My point is not that 30 fps is not enough. but it is a fact that the difference between 30 and 60 fps can be noticed and can create a different feel. Not needed maybe, with that i agree but it is there.

And i whould just like to say that not all people with pc's are elitists, i do like the perks of pc gaming and love the tech stuff but it always takes backseat to the gameplay experience

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

Well at least now I am going to save some money by passing on this. If you aren't going to make a title optimized for the platform it is released on, don't bother releasing it at all, that is my book.
That'd be like releasing a PC game on consoles, but designed in such a way that when you turn it on, the console explodes, or has no support for a controller. It isn't about PC gamers being elitist, we just want it optimized for our platform. If you aren't going to do it, don't bother releasing it.

 

[Weaver]

To me it's like re-releasing a movie on bluray but keeping the image at the 480p from the DVD version.

What's the point? We already have the DVD version.

 

[Aprilgold]

If there's one thing PC gamers like to talk about, it's graphics.

Well thats a generalization straight out of hell when one of the biggest success's on PC ever was Minecraft and that game has shit graphical capabilities but tons of style.

Why do people insist on claiming we get free dlc? It's included, yes, but we're also paying a higher cost than for the console version.

The issue with what your saying is that were paying 40$ or lower if its on sale for a New Game [on PC anyways] while people who bought Dark Souls new had to spend 60$ and with this DLC that will either add a extra 10$ or a extra 20$. In essence, were getting a deal. Even if the Console version is sold for 30$ at Gamestop they still have to buy the DLC which is a extra 10$ so their paying the exact same price.

Yes, were getting free DLC because were not paying for it. It is coming with the version you buy on Steam.

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The only people who I trust on this is not here, which is a console-gaming site who makes more generalizations about PC more times then I can masturbate in a day. I trust Rock Paper Shotgun more then here and honestly I feel that a lot of the hate on the Steam Forums and what not is on a version that isn't ready to be released.

Also, Daystar once again nails it.

You guys wanted Dark Souls, you're getting it, warts and all.


The game isn't going to be worse on PC, it's going to be exactly the same as the console version, the version you petitioned so hard to get.

And you get free DLC.

This is true, this is what we got and I couldn't have spent my money better. Bloody whining wankers.

The Rock Paper Shotgun article can be found here, and honestly these people pretty much do exclusively PC gaming so I'll go with what their saying much more frequently when it comes to it.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/08/09/hands-on-dark-souls-prepare-to-die-edition/#more-119215

 

[Thoric485]

It's a good game, but this sounds like a completely incompetent port, and it doesn't do it justice. Even what are being regarded as the "worst ports" didn't have a locked down rendering resolution and a FPS cap.

This bodes bad for the multiplayer too.

 

[cjacks]

I'm sorry if this has already been mentioned, but where does it say in the OP that the pc version will be worse than the console version was? The game was playable on the console despite any frame rate issues I had, and so it should also be playable on the PC.

Reading some of these post leads me to believe that PC gamers care way more about how a game looks than how much fun it is to play, and if this is the case than you shouldn't buy any new games at all. Just play Crysis and stare deeply into the ultra realistic foliage until the miasma of the universe stares back at you through the pixels.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

I'm sorry if this has already been mentioned, but where does it say in the OP that the pc version will be worse than the console version was? The game was playable on the console despite any frame rate issues I had, and so it should also be playable on the PC.

Reading some of these post leads me to believe that PC gamers care way more about how a game looks than how much fun it is to play, and if this is the case than you shouldn't buy any new games at all. Just play Crysis and stare deeply into the ultra realistic foliage until the miasma of the universe stares back at you through the pixels.

It's not about how good the game looks. It's not about the PC version being better or worse, it's about how well it runs and how well it is compatible with modern gear. Better tools should do better jobs, it's that simple.

The fact that this port isn't compatible with modern systems DESPITE the original game being modern, shows that the developers got very lazy in design for this. It's like .Any game deserves better.

I play Dark Souls on my PS3, I enjoy it, and would have gladly bought the PC version despite the WindowsLive online requirement. But now that I know that my computer will be getting the EXACT same experience as the PS3 version, despite my near superior gear, I don't really want to dish out 40 dollars.

 

[cjacks]

I play Dark Souls on my PS3, I enjoy it.

You played it already, so I really do understand your point of view. but there are a lot of PC only gamers (some friends of mine included) who have not played the game yet and now say that they won't at all because of the graphics bottleneck.

This is not a good reason to miss out on the experience. If you don't have a console and you aren't sure about buying Dark Souls, then you should at least take a minute and play it on a friends console so you can see how much fun it is. Otherwise you are judging a game solely on graphics and you can see my previous post for a further course of action.

 

[chadachada123]

PC gamers asked for a console game, from a console developer.

They're getting it.

I feel really bad for FROM, because they don't really have any options here other than heading headfirst into this elitist shitstorm.

 

[Meight08]

"Oh no, 30 fps! Whatever will we doooooooooooooooooooooo?!"

The game was perfectly playable on consoles.
The game will be the same, if not slightly better, on PC.
Therefore it will be perfectly playable on PC.

i did not spend 600 dollars on a pc to play games with 30 fps.