Demon's Souls

[theultimateend]

Oh I get the point you TRIED to make, the problem is that your attempt had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GAME IN QUESTION.

It's like my saying "imagine a game where all enemies kill you in one hit, and whenver you die you return to stage one with no levels or items or anything. And it's 30 hours long. But you get 1 dollar for every 1 step you took before dying. Would that then be a waste of time?"

Sure, I've shown that a game can have long checkpoints and not waste your time, BUT IT HAS NO BEARING ON THE GAME WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. Thus, it would have been a wasted point.

I love the use of caps. Good way to point out that you haven't the slightest clue why you are upset. Generally speaking when you scream in a discussion you aren't worth discussing with.

But I'll point it out regardless. Did I ever say I was talking about the game? Did I mention that my point was literally carbon copy of how this particular game played out?

No infact I was just pointing out how your point doesn't always validate the issue. Sure it IS someone's fault if they die in a game but that doesn't get the game off the hook.

But going into that point further would be a waste of my time. When you learn to grow up and figure out how formatting works better than caps lock (or held shift) get back to me.

It was cute though. I like the big boy pants posting style.

 

[The Deadpool]

Hmmm...there are kind of 3 yes, you're right, but only a given 2 of these are necessarily relevant to progressing to the boss, so I counted 2.

Ahh, but backtracking is involved, especially if you want to loot the Dragon Roost at higher levels. So all three count.

Also, 2-2 and 5-1 have quite a few shortcuts that allow one to avoid most of the stage, even on the first playthrough, without having to unlock anything. 4-1 has that too, but I'm 90% sure it's unintentional...

I love the use of caps. Good way to point out that you haven't the slightest clue why you are upset. Generally speaking when you scream in a discussion you aren't worth discussing with.

But I'll point it out regardless. Did I ever say I was talking about the game? Did I mention that my point was literally carbon copy of how this particular game played out?

No infact I was just pointing out how your point doesn't always validate the issue. Sure it IS someone's fault if they die in a game but that doesn't get the game off the hook.

But going into that point further would be a waste of my time. When you learn to grow up and figure out how formatting works better than caps lock (or held shift) get back to me.

It was cute though. I like the big boy pants posting style.

Never quite understood why kids nowadays think caps= screaming. It's WRITING. NOTHING means screaming in WRITING.

Caps are used for EMPHASIS. See how your eyes were drawn quickly to the captalized portion of the post? That's its JOB.

And, if in a discussion about the validity of Demon's Souls as a form of entertainment, and Yahtzee's thoughts on the matter, you feel like making a point that has no bearing on EITHER subject, then it's hardly MY fault. Perhaps you should find a more fitting topic to make your post...

 

[yzzlthtz]

What really disappoints me about Yahtzee's observations is how absolute he is about them. Along comes a game that defies all the tropes of spoon feeding the player and no ramifications, a game that goes out of its way to never break character for any mechanics, and he finds one arbitrary notion to harp on while ignoring the fact that a game came along that defied so many of the standard rules of accessibility and difficulty, and multiplayer, rules he himself has harped on in the past. Not an iota of recognition, just "I'm too busy to waste my time on this". I'll always respect him as an entertainer, but as a gamer and a reviewer, he sometimes fails to endear me.

 

[JeppeH]

Although I'm from Denmark I wrote that guy.
Censureship just pisses me off no end.. And I wouldnt be surprised if my crazy-ass government decided it was a great idear.
Those guys could learn a lot from gamedesigners about creating optimal conditions, incentive- and reward-systems instead of inventing wierd laws that are easily bypassed and misses their targeted audience.

Merry Xmas everyone

 

[brunothepig]

First of all, right as always. One of the reasons I prefer PC gaming is it almost always has a quicksave and quickload function.

Y'know, just from reading all the idiotic things Atkinson has said, I'm half-tempted to send him an e-mail now and rub his own stupidity in his face from half a world away. Of course, I don't know how well that'd go over.

Do it. Seriously. I shall be doing it for days after my family leaves. Though it may be wise to create a new email account. It's not hard, and I have enough spam in this one as is. Please. I have a more personal stake in this though. I'm in Australia...

 

[Xvito]

Hmmm...there are kind of 3 yes, you're right, but only a given 2 of these are necessarily relevant to progressing to the boss, so I counted 2.

Ahh, but backtracking is involved, especially if you want to loot the Dragon Roost at higher levels. So all three count.

Also, 2-2 and 5-1 have quite a few shortcuts that allow one to avoid most of the stage, even on the first playthrough, without having to unlock anything. 4-1 has that too, but I'm 90% sure it's unintentional...

I love the use of caps. Good way to point out that you haven't the slightest clue why you are upset. Generally speaking when you scream in a discussion you aren't worth discussing with.

But I'll point it out regardless. Did I ever say I was talking about the game? Did I mention that my point was literally carbon copy of how this particular game played out?

No infact I was just pointing out how your point doesn't always validate the issue. Sure it IS someone's fault if they die in a game but that doesn't get the game off the hook.

But going into that point further would be a waste of my time. When you learn to grow up and figure out how formatting works better than caps lock (or held shift) get back to me.

It was cute though. I like the big boy pants posting style.

Never quite understood why kids nowadays think caps= screaming. It's WRITING. NOTHING means screaming in WRITING.

Caps are used for EMPHASIS. See how your eyes were drawn quickly to the captalized portion of the post? That's its JOB.

How about using bold letters or italics for emphasis, instead of SCREAMING...?

Also, on an unrelated note, Demon's Souls is fucking incredible!

 

[The Deadpool]

Because it's NOT screaming. It's, get this... CAPITAL LETTERS.

I mean, if you called the THE VOICE at least then you'd get brownie points for a cool reference...

 

[lacktheknack]

And now I get to email Michael Atkinson the entire Offended page from Encyclopedia Dramatica, good times.

You... you... HORRIBLE... THING...

Not even Michael Atkinson deserves that. Not even Satan deserves THAT.

 

[Sir Prize]

Well, it's good to see that some people understand the difference between a hard game and one that just takes the micky. I've seen way too many prefect or near prefect reviews for Demon's souls, so I'm grateful for this and the flash review for showing people what common sense is.

 

[Sewblon]

Am I the only person who doesn't understand why when Yahtzee didn't finish Dragon Age most people didn't complain, but now that he didn't finish Demon's Souls allot of people think it ruins his credibility as a reviewer and a gamer?

 

[redsoxfantom]

I'd email Michael Atkinson, but I don't think he'd care what an American has to to say...

 

[ClaptonKnophlerHendrix]

I'm going to spam micheal atkinson now.

[email protected]

No please don't, send a polite, intelligent email, spamming wont help us.

 

[ClaptonKnophlerHendrix]

Am I the only person who doesn't understand why when Yahtzee didn't finish Dragon Age most people didn't complain, but now that he didn't finish Demon's Souls allot of people think it ruins his credibility as a reviewer and a gamer?

Possibly because dragon age is upwards of 3 lifetimes long, but yes I understand what you mean and agree with you.

 

[Reikachu]

Demon's Souls is not hard. It is harder than most contemporary titles, but 5 hours into it I am not feeling challenged, intellectually or physically.

What it is is soul-crushingly boring. Combat is plodding and unengaging. My character's moveset is small and shallow. Enemies are diverse, but defeating individuals boils down to memorizing their few near-identical attacks. 90% of combat is spent herding crowds of enemies, or waiting for some armored dipshit to finally swing so I can counterattack. The game hails from the "brown" school of realism and features very little music -- ostensibly to heighten tension, but in reality because what little music there is is embarrassing.

When I die (which is not nearly as often as has been claimed), I feel zero impetus to retrace my steps; not out of frustration, but because they were only marginally entertaining the first time, and don't bear repeating. I have returned to this title over and over, trying to understand all the good things people are saying about it, and I just don't see them. It has terrible gameplay and terrible production values. The poor checkpointing isn't a dealbreaker, but it's one example of a broader lack of effort in the game as a whole, which is really what kills it for me.

I understand the game takes some work to get into, but I feel 5 hours in I should at least see the payoff, and so far it hasn't materialized. I'm not sure how much longer I'm supposed to play before it suddenly becomes deep and engaging, but I just don't have it in me to trudge any further.

 

[Reikachu]

Like I have seriously begun to believe the cult popularity of this game is an elaborate post-modern practical joke.

It kind of bugs me that the old-school era of gaming gets compared to this thing. It's roguelike, maybe? But my NetHack nerd friend hates this game, too (and he's ascended, are you really going to tell me he's not "hardcore" enough?)

 

[Sewblon]

Am I the only person who doesn't understand why when Yahtzee didn't finish Dragon Age most people didn't complain, but now that he didn't finish Demon's Souls allot of people think it ruins his credibility as a reviewer and a gamer?

Because he didn't give the game a fair chance.

There's a difference.

What is a "fair chance?"

 

[Sewblon]

Am I the only person who doesn't understand why when Yahtzee didn't finish Dragon Age most people didn't complain, but now that he didn't finish Demon's Souls allot of people think it ruins his credibility as a reviewer and a gamer?

Because he didn't give the game a fair chance.

There's a difference.

What is a "fair chance?"

Taking the time to understand the complex fighting system as well as adjust to the learning curve.

Though, he doesn't have that kind of time. I am not really saying that he should have given the game a fair chance but rather saying that his fans should give it a fair chance.

So you are saying that his fans should disregard his assessment because he is incapable of playing this game correctly? What exactly makes you think that his fans would be more likely to give this game a "fair chance" if they played it themselves?

 

[Sewblon]

So you are saying that his fans should disregard his assessment because he is incapable of playing this game correctly? What exactly makes you think that his fans would be more likely to give this game a "fair chance" if they played it themselves?

Easy, because it is a really good game!...

Okay, seriously though. His fans have a lot more time than he does.

Doesn't his honest opinion being invalid defeat the purpose of him reviewing the game? They wouldn't be his fans if they didn't share some of the opinions he expressed. I think you are assuming a level of patience that doesn't exist.

 

[Piecewise]

it's true.

Challenge is not about cheap death

 

[Sewblon]

Doesn't his honest opinion being invalid defeat the purpose of him reviewing the game? They wouldn't be his fans if they didn't share some of the opinions he expressed. I think you are assuming a level of patience that doesn't exist.

And here I was under the impression that he makes these reviews for the sake of comedy.

If he doesn't believe the things he says on those videos, or in these articles, remind me to never play poker with him. Game reviewing was never an exact science so Yahtzee isn't necessarily any less credible than any other game journalist that I know of.