What if the girl is 15 cm taller than you and a bodybuilder? And beating your friend into the ground?Topsider said:
Generalizations are fun and all, until you find someone who doesn't fit with statistics.
Don't hit a girl?
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Generalizations are fun and all, until you find someone who doesn't fit with statistics.
This, basically. Don't get me wrong, if a woman is straight up trying to physically assault me I'm not going to just take it lying down. I'll push them away or restrain them if I can, but there's a line between that kind of physical response and straight up decking someone in the face.Topsider said:
And yes, I'm aware that not all women are vulnerable snowflakes that need to be handled with care. I've met plenty of girls who I have no shame in admitting could beat me in a fight. In that case, it just becomes plain old stupid for me to hit them, because they can just pay me right back and then some.
Simple rule for me: Dont give people a reason to punch you to start with. When Im talking to people in person, I tend to try and avoid saying anything that may provoke a physical retort.
If they still desire to punch me though, Then I will try to avoid the punch and retreat. Afterall, I got punched in the face before, and its not fun.
Unless Im sucker punched, in which case I will respond with a likewise hook to them. Or, if the situation permits, grab them by their shoulders and rear my head back before bringing it forwards with force.
In all this, sex is not a thought to enter my mind.
If they still desire to punch me though, Then I will try to avoid the punch and retreat. Afterall, I got punched in the face before, and its not fun.
Unless Im sucker punched, in which case I will respond with a likewise hook to them. Or, if the situation permits, grab them by their shoulders and rear my head back before bringing it forwards with force.
In all this, sex is not a thought to enter my mind.
Avoid fight if possible (that even goes as far as to hold him/her down so they could not attack me). If fight is unavoidable, gender does not matter, im going to hit back for as long as needed for them to stop attack me (or till they beat me to death which is more likely).
I try not to hit anyone but if a guy starts something I'll fight back, if a girl attacks me I need to assess whether she is a girl who has had too much to drink and is not capable of causing me much harm, or some big bruiser of a girl who is about to knock out my teeth.
As a rule I try not to hit girls but I will if I am forced.
As a rule I try not to hit girls but I will if I am forced.
Call me old-fashioned, but I would never strike a woman. I did get into lots of fights when I was young, but they were always against other boys. I don't think would have hit ever a girl then, just as I can't imagine myself doing so now.
I can't attest to how it is elsewhere in the world, but in the United States at least, even in a defensive situation, it may be a better option to just get your ass beaten by the female. Why? Legal system bias- if you're a male and defend yourself doing anything other than gentle restraint and retreat and your attacker is a female, you're far more likely to be charged then she. Of course if you can't get away, and you get your ass beaten because you're afraid of the legal repercussions of defending yourself, you're likely to be shamed into not pressing charges or not even taken seriously by the police because you 'got beaten up by a girl.'
Sex really shouldn't factor in at all when it comes to self-defense. Sure average-wise there will be a size advantage on the male's part, but it's not like the average woman's going in swinging cause she's a complete moron. Somewhere in her mind she believe that she can win and deal significant damage, and it's outright foolish for the man to hold back against a person going all out and risk getting hurt. Obviously if the size difference is so huge that you can swat them away like a bug then sure, but more realistically the size difference won't be like that and there will be a big risk of the guy getting hurt by being passive about her being a woman.
I get that you guys are great, nice people but "restraining" is out of the question in a lot of cases. Your average guy will have little to no martial arts training and in the time they'll be trying to put a flimsy hold on the woman she will be trying do actual damage. Really the best thing to do is to end the fight asap by either getting the hell out of there or trying to end it with a good hard strike. Sooner the fight ends better for both parties. Sure she won't be happy nursing a injury and you'll probably feel guilty but that beats the hell out of the alternative of giving a woman a free pass to hurt you.
I get that you guys are great, nice people but "restraining" is out of the question in a lot of cases. Your average guy will have little to no martial arts training and in the time they'll be trying to put a flimsy hold on the woman she will be trying do actual damage. Really the best thing to do is to end the fight asap by either getting the hell out of there or trying to end it with a good hard strike. Sooner the fight ends better for both parties. Sure she won't be happy nursing a injury and you'll probably feel guilty but that beats the hell out of the alternative of giving a woman a free pass to hurt you.
I've had the experience of being in a (possibly) life or death fight and I can say right now it would not have mattered if the fucked up little druggy coming up to me with a knife had been male or female, I would have done the same thing.
Context is everything, just use your bloody brain.
Context is everything, just use your bloody brain.
Haven't been in the position I'd have to test my stance on the matter. These days whenever someone seems to want to start something I start laughing hysterically at them
Don't hit a girl.
Don't hit boys either.
With men or women, depends. Violence generally isn't a good option, and I'd much rather try to run. There was one time when I hit a guy because he cornered me and acted threateningly, but it didn't help because he only acted worse afterwards and kept (sexually) harassing me.
Don't hit boys either.
With men or women, depends. Violence generally isn't a good option, and I'd much rather try to run. There was one time when I hit a guy because he cornered me and acted threateningly, but it didn't help because he only acted worse afterwards and kept (sexually) harassing me.
If, in a middle of a verbal argument or fight, one chooses to physically attack another in any degree, they should damn well be prepared to get hit as well. It's not about hurting another or winning the fight, it's about sending the message that NOBODY has the right to violate your right of bodily integrity, whether you're a man or a woman. I'm not telling people to punch each other on the ground, a simple slap or a push is enough to send the message. This is about basic human rights, no one should think that they can attack you while still being physically untouchable themselves. Crossing that between plain words and physical damage is not a small thing.
I have no idea what people are talking about ITT. I wouldn't hit a girl, no way. If she attacked me I would try to stop her, but stopping her doesn't need to involve hitting her. I'm not comfortable hitting guys either, but their physical strength makes it easier.
Would I hit a woman? Fuck yeah, I'd hit dat.
If someone tries to punch you, punch back. The only complicated part is judging how hard to hit, if you even NEED to hit (will a hug and a cup of tea work just as well, for example). But... CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!?
If someone tries to punch you, punch back. The only complicated part is judging how hard to hit, if you even NEED to hit (will a hug and a cup of tea work just as well, for example). But... CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!?
Have been there.
Ex-wife took a poke at me twice.
Both times, it was after I turned my back and she punched me in the back of the head.
First time I laughed, because she immediately started shaking her hand in pain.
Second time, a few months later, same exact scenario - having an argument, she started getting really heated, and I told her we weren't getting anywhere if she was going to say ugly things like she just had (she had said something terribly nasty about one of my family members, essentially that she was sorry that they hadn't died in a recent accident). Turned around to walk away again, and *thwack* right in the back of the head. She was *REALLY* mad, and even though she could see in my face that smacking me had pissed me off, she blew up: "What the **** are you gonna do, huh? WHAT THE **** ARE YOU GONNA DO? Go ahead, you know you want to! And even if you don't, I'm going to call the cops on you - and who do you think they're gonna believe?" Backstory - I am 6'0 and was ~210 at the time, first degree black belts in shotokan karate and judo, and was training Brazilian jiujitsu with some pro fighter buddies; she is 5'0 and ~90 pounds and couldn't hurt a fly. She was indeed correct - not a cop in this country that wouldn't cuff me if they showed up to the house and this little woman claimed abuse.
I got mad, not doubt, but more from the insult of being hit (esp. from behind) rather than any pain. I had laughed off the first one, but this one crossed the line. I grabbed her, picked her up in the air, walked over the sofa, sat down with her in a mildly tight hug and said "DON'T do that. Whatever else we fight about, you CANNOT do that. EVER." She screamed at me for about a minute or two, awful stuff, and she tried pinching my hands and arms to make me let go (I didn't budge), but after that she calmed down. Then she hit me with something even worse - "I'm so sorry, I wish I didn't do that. Maybe you should slap me or something when I get like that. I deserve it. Come on."
WHOA. Full stop.
All possible kink aside, it was highly disturbing to think she *wanted* me to hit her, for whatever twisted reason.
I did not, and I would not. EVER. Even if I weren't twice her size and reasonably highly trained.
We divorced fairly soon after, and that stuff was actually a primary element in the decision - I did not want to have children with someone so willing to use physical force when she get angry (which was often, sadly).
Ex-wife took a poke at me twice.
Both times, it was after I turned my back and she punched me in the back of the head.
First time I laughed, because she immediately started shaking her hand in pain.
Second time, a few months later, same exact scenario - having an argument, she started getting really heated, and I told her we weren't getting anywhere if she was going to say ugly things like she just had (she had said something terribly nasty about one of my family members, essentially that she was sorry that they hadn't died in a recent accident). Turned around to walk away again, and *thwack* right in the back of the head. She was *REALLY* mad, and even though she could see in my face that smacking me had pissed me off, she blew up: "What the **** are you gonna do, huh? WHAT THE **** ARE YOU GONNA DO? Go ahead, you know you want to! And even if you don't, I'm going to call the cops on you - and who do you think they're gonna believe?" Backstory - I am 6'0 and was ~210 at the time, first degree black belts in shotokan karate and judo, and was training Brazilian jiujitsu with some pro fighter buddies; she is 5'0 and ~90 pounds and couldn't hurt a fly. She was indeed correct - not a cop in this country that wouldn't cuff me if they showed up to the house and this little woman claimed abuse.
I got mad, not doubt, but more from the insult of being hit (esp. from behind) rather than any pain. I had laughed off the first one, but this one crossed the line. I grabbed her, picked her up in the air, walked over the sofa, sat down with her in a mildly tight hug and said "DON'T do that. Whatever else we fight about, you CANNOT do that. EVER." She screamed at me for about a minute or two, awful stuff, and she tried pinching my hands and arms to make me let go (I didn't budge), but after that she calmed down. Then she hit me with something even worse - "I'm so sorry, I wish I didn't do that. Maybe you should slap me or something when I get like that. I deserve it. Come on."
WHOA. Full stop.
All possible kink aside, it was highly disturbing to think she *wanted* me to hit her, for whatever twisted reason.
I did not, and I would not. EVER. Even if I weren't twice her size and reasonably highly trained.
We divorced fairly soon after, and that stuff was actually a primary element in the decision - I did not want to have children with someone so willing to use physical force when she get angry (which was often, sadly).
I'd defend myself if the need arose, Boy or girl however... Im still a 6'1 300lb man with combat and martial arts experience so its more of a matter of how big plus what theyre armed with.
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Your comment seems to imply that strength is a factor. In which case the woman being much stronger than an average male would also be a factor.
If not and I'm somehow mislead, that would mean that you think men shouldn't hit women purely out of deference to their genitals. Which is still completely absurd, not to mention sexist.
I think most people now accept the hit-people-you'll-get-hit-back rule.chinangel said:
But, of course, use proportional force.