Editorial: Nintendo's E3 Showing is Refreshingly Fun

[Dragonbums]

Call me a cynic, but to that's simply seeing the Nintendo pattern.

Do you want a gold sticker with that? I mean, your seriously acting like your one of the only people (i.e non Nintendo fans) to recognize and understand Nintendo's 'nefarious smokescreen patterns'. Please dude. We are all very aware of how Nintendo goes about making games.

We all knew when the 3DS came out there was going to be an Animal Crossing, Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon game. With Pokemon itself we know they release at least 6 titles of the core franchise. The new generation one with it's two versions, the third one that expounds upon the first games, and two remake versions of older titles on obsolete systems. Nobody is every surprised at the announcement of a new Pokemon game. However we are excited by it because we love playing Pokemon. You see the difference here?

Nobody in the Nintendo fandom is surprised at a new console Zelda game, or a Mario Kart game, or a Smash Bros. game. Nobody. However we sure as hell are excited for it because-again- we love the franchise. For a good chunk of us they always bring fun and enjoyment to the players in question. Especially Zelda since we never know what they are going to do with the game. Last game involved a floating island with giant birds.

It's almost like you can't simply accept the fact that people will play and enjoy games regardless of how "same" it is because we genuinely enjoy those games. But no, it's either we are too stupid to realize it, or we are somehow being "tricked" by imaginary Nintendo magic to not see through any of this.

 

[Jaxs]

Speaking as someone who very much greatly wishes Nintendo would abandon the hardware market, who also has felt the sting of purchasing a Wii early in its life-cycle and was greatly let down by the library that never was, AND someone who was all about watching Nintendo die from a constant lack of true originality (rather than "innovating for innovation's sake"), I am now currently researching how to get a WiiU. Say what you will, but they're damn good at making a case this time around. I'm actually a little excited to see what Nintendo is doing for the first time since the last generation.

Nintendo is selling refurbished Wii U Deluxe's for 200$ on their website. It comes with everything that a deluxe system normally comes with.

https://store.nintendo.com/ng3/browse/productDetailColorSizePicker.jsp?_DARGS=/ng3/global/gadgets/productListRangeRow.jsp.addToCartFormId

 

[Dragonbums]

But I think people miss the main point of Pokemon. People are generally so ridiculously self involved that they assume that they're the primary target audience.

Yeah, it was only now that Gamefreak started to really recognize the fact that Pokemon metagames are an actual thing.

As for the rest of your post, I agree with you. It's kind of what Studio Ghibili is doing right now. They are making movies for children, so when they grow up they have a fresh demographic for the more mature movies.

 

[FFMaster]

A CGI trailer is not representative of a game's quality.

Just look at the new Zelda game. It could be another complete and utter whiff just like Skyward Sword. No one knows until some actual footage is shown of the game.

Yep it could, and i suspect it will end up being 720/30 rather than 1080 as some people are predicting right now (press screenshots are 1080, but that could have been taken via the console after its been scaled by the console. My WiiU still outputs the 720p Mario kart as 1080 to my TV so assume somethings unscaled before it gets to the TV).

However that teaser trailer has been confirmed via multiple sources to be in game (but using debug stuff to move the camera) so at least the big field and the inital horse run was in game and playable. There is some debate as to whether the monster fight was in game with debug camera/slowdown or a in engine cut scene as there are some translation issues to deal with, some are confused as how it was refereed to on miiverse.

oh no, somone does not like nintendo games, he must be depresing and cynical and we must shame him!

There's a difference between 'not liking some games' and 'being a complete downer about everything'

yeah this thread started out a bit silly, but if you talk about Nintendo you should expect thread shitting i guess, despite it being against most places rules

 

[Mike Pothier]

I just find it hilarious that before E3, so many people were calling for Nintendo to abandon the Wii U hardware and declare it an utter failure. Then Nintendo comes to E3 and says "Well, we were actually kinda busy making ALL THESE GAMES for it."

 

[NortherWolf]

Nintendo has always been at their best when they're the underdogs trying to catch up. That's why the Gamecube was terrific and why the Wii let so many people down. That's why, in a weird sort of way, I was actually a bit excited at how poorly the WiiU has been doing, because I thought it would be a wakeup call for Nintendo after falling asleep at the wheel during the last generation.

The SNES and NES and Gameboy would like to disagree with you. Those three consoles were made from a position of supreme dominance and they were all high points in Nintendo game making.
And also Nintendo douchebaggery, but still awesome games.

 

[themilo504]

I also really liked Nintendo?s conference, the only thing I really disliked where the jabs at game journalists, but that's only because I really want mother 3 and a new starfox game myself.

Thankfully they are actually making a new star fox, so I?m rather confused by the last robot chicken sketch.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

I just find it hilarious that before E3, so many people were calling for Nintendo to abandon the Wii U hardware and declare it an utter failure. Then Nintendo comes to E3 and says "Well, we were actually kinda busy making ALL THESE GAMES for it."

That's why I always find those threads hilarious; it's utterly pointless because eventually a year like THIS happens and then everyone is made to look like fools. Same thing with the 3DS as people got their jabs in while they could because the avalanche of releases happened and then they were forced to shut their mouths. And it amazes me that people to this day STILL can't see that pattern. Why don't they just cut out the middle man and just not resort to the childish taunts against Nintendo in the first place? There's no point to it.

 

[Lunar Templar]

Put me done for the 'Nintendo wins E3' crowd.

if for no other reason then the games presented actually made consider getting a WiiU

 

[Arslan Aladeen]

They're selling computer games. What exactly do you expect them to show if not computer generated trailers?

I expect them to show something that's representative of the product they are trying to sell me, but I guess that's too much to hope for in this day in age.

 

[COMaestro]

I will agree that Nintendo had a fun presentation of games, many of which were bright and colorful and appear to be good for the whole family. Which is basically what Nintendo nearly always shoots for, with the occasional exception. I'm happy to see them try to do something with the GamePad, as that is the main thing that really positively differentiates the WiiU from the competition.

But let's be fair. Not all the games shown were gameplay. They may have been using the game engine, but Xenoblade was all cutscene and Zelda U appeared to primarily be cutscene. Some of the Sony trailers shown were rendering in the game engine as well, and for things like Uncharted 4, we all know what the gameplay is going to be like anyway. Same for Zelda, really.

All said though, Nintendo may have breathed some new life into the WiiU. It's not out of the woods just yet, but it's starting to make it's way.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

Games are fun.

Gamers are depressing. As evidenced here.

too good not to quote. some folks just hate Nintendo I guess

 

[Dragonbums]

I will agree that Nintendo had a fun presentation of games, many of which were bright and colorful and appear to be good for the whole family. Which is basically what Nintendo nearly always shoots for, with the occasional exception. I'm happy to see them try to do something with the GamePad, as that is the main thing that really positively differentiates the WiiU from the competition.

But let's be fair. Not all the games shown were gameplay. They may have been using the game engine, but Xenoblade was all cutscene and Zelda U appeared to primarily be cutscene. Some of the Sony trailers shown were rendering in the game engine as well, and for things like Uncharted 4, we all know what the gameplay is going to be like anyway. Same for Zelda, really.

All said though, Nintendo may have breathed some new life into the WiiU. It's not out of the woods just yet, but it's starting to make it's way.

Xenoblade may have been cutscenes, but they are ingame cutscenes so it's still an accurate representation of what the game will look like when played. There is a difference between CGI rendered cutscenes and unplayable segments using in game models.

As for the Zelda trailer Nintendo has stated that this was in game graphics. Now whether or not the scene that played out is something that can happen to the player we will have to wait. However that probably means it's also an in game cutscene.

 

[VG_Addict]

I like how people in this very topic say Nintendo just announced the same old games, when they had at least four new IPs. I'm convinced people are deliberately ignoring those games just so they can *****.

 

[VG_Addict]

See what you call cynical I call pattern recognition. This is why people have such problems with Nintendo and its fans; they keep mixing words up. Not their fault, but this really is a perspective problem. What you see as fun and new, just about everyone else sees as dry and tired.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you spoke for everyone else. People need to stop using these kinds of all-inclusive phrases, as if what they're saying is actually the majority opinion. It's pretty arrogant to assume that your opinion is shared by "everyone". "Others see as dry and tired" would have worked just fine.

 

[Strazdas]

They did?
That's a serious question too. I remember an hour and a half of boring PR speak from guys in suits, Bloodborne, Metal Gear (longer trailer leaked before E3 even began) Mortal Kombat and... uhh... HD-er remakes of two last gen games. All but two are multiplat. Honestly I'm confused as to why Ubi and EA had showings when Microsoft and Sony showed all their games for them. And it's the Year of Vita right guys? ...guys?

Judging from a list from IGNorance [http://www.ign.com/wikis/e3/Games_at_E3_2014] the following amount of games were anounced for platforms:
WiiU, 3DS 36
PS3, PS4, Vita 85
Xbox 360, Xbox One 75
PC 49

according to this very laggy website because embed youtube is not cool okay [http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/10/sony-e3-game-roundup-2014/] Sony anounced 19 games.
according to Another website that thinks its a good idea to embed youtube [http://thenextweb.com/media/2014/06/10/everything-nintendo-announced-e3-press-conference/1/] 12 games were anounced at nintendo E3 event. And even then i would argue that Mario Maker is not an actual game but rather a level editor.

So yes, by both counts Sony has more games.

In fact sony platform has the most games as you can see from first list.

As far as giving them shit, some people never liked thier icons, others are getting bored of them, and third ones write opinionated pieces. I dont care if games are rated whatever, never did, i care if its fun for me, and nintendo games simply dont do it for me, so i dont play them. i tried, that is, some friends talked me into trying, didnt like it much. that isnt my beef here though. my beef is when the article is claiming something that is false while claiming journalism.

I still call it cynical. We still need them. If we don't have Nintendo a vast vast vast majority of the AAA titles released would be devoid of joy, color, and reek of excessiveness.

they already are, we call them nintendo games. well perhaps not the color part. see, the point is what is fun for you does not necessarely mean fun for others, meanwhile some people do have fun playing those "Devoid of joy" games. STALKER IS FUN, for me. it may not be for you, does not mean its no fun for everyone.

I expect them to show something that's representative of the product they are trying to sell me, but I guess that's too much to hope for in this day in age.

it always was. remmeber screenshots on the back of the cartridge that showed gameplay from ANOTHER GAME? yeah, those were great "correct advertisement".

 

[Grach]

Speaking of Other M, Team Ninja IS part of the team working on Hyrule Warriors, but I think they are more relegated to designs and models then actual character stuff, so we can hope the ladies of the game won't suffer the same fate as Other M Samus. XD

If I recall correctly, Other M's Samus was Sakamoto's fault. He wrote that horrible thing. Team Ninja isn't faultless though, they slightly redesigned Samus Zero Suit to make it look shittier (high heels instead of boots, making her muscles a lot less defined).

To be honest, Nintendo's show WAS refreshingly fun. Watching it was entertaining and all the titles look at least halfway fun. At least they don't try to pass some trite bullshit as the next step in gaming (looking at you, Destiny).

 

[Cybylt]

They did?
That's a serious question too. I remember an hour and a half of boring PR speak from guys in suits, Bloodborne, Metal Gear (longer trailer leaked before E3 even began) Mortal Kombat and... uhh... HD-er remakes of two last gen games. All but two are multiplat. Honestly I'm confused as to why Ubi and EA had showings when Microsoft and Sony showed all their games for them. And it's the Year of Vita right guys? ...guys?

Judging from a list from IGNorance [http://www.ign.com/wikis/e3/Games_at_E3_2014] the following amount of games were anounced for platforms:
WiiU, 3DS 36
PS3, PS4, Vita 85
Xbox 360, Xbox One 75
PC 49

according to this very laggy website because embed youtube is not cool okay [http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/10/sony-e3-game-roundup-2014/] Sony anounced 19 games.
according to Another website that thinks its a good idea to embed youtube [http://thenextweb.com/media/2014/06/10/everything-nintendo-announced-e3-press-conference/1/] 12 games were anounced at nintendo E3 event. And even then i would argue that Mario Maker is not an actual game but rather a level editor.

So yes, by both counts Sony has more games.

In fact sony platform has the most games as you can see from first list.

As far as giving them shit, some people never liked thier icons, others are getting bored of them, and third ones write opinionated pieces. I dont care if games are rated whatever, never did, i care if its fun for me, and nintendo games simply dont do it for me, so i dont play them. i tried, that is, some friends talked me into trying, didnt like it much. that isnt my beef here though. my beef is when the article is claiming something that is false while claiming journalism.

That vita game list is terrifying and horrible. Creepy anime titles where you use the touch screen to grope girls and then bass fishing. I think I know why they chose to keep quiet about the system now.

They listed Deep Down? Capcom's said time and again that that game isn't leaving Japan.

The majority of people felt Nintendo's show was a refreshing change of pace from the others because it was, just rapidfire delivery of gameplay video after gameplay video. The longest time between a new game being shown was two or three minutes, not the better part of an hour. They didn't sideline games discussion at a games conference to talk about movies for 40 minutes. And I'd like to point it out again, they showed more gameplay per game than Sony or Microsoft's showings combined. You don't happen to like those games, fine, but that doesn't make it any less of a better presentation since they showed what matters and they got to it quick and consistently.

Following their conference they had two days of nothing but streaming these new games being played and discussed in-depth.

Oh, and I went back through that list and checked the exclusives since that's what sells a system, and here's what we got. Not sure whether to count games that are multiplat but only within that company's platforms, I guess I'll make a note of it.

PS4 10
Abzu
Bloodborne
Entwined (also on Vita)
Grim Fandango HD (also on Vita)
Little Big Planet 3
Ratchet & Clank Remastered
Natural Doctrine (PS3, Vita)
Uncharted 4
The Order: 1886
Last of Us (PS3)

One 13
Crackdown
Phantom Dust
Halo 5
Halo Master Chief Collection (also on 360 according to Amazon)
Gears of War (that was at E3? They had a brief clip of a previous game in their show but I don't think anything new was announced)
Fable Legends
Project Spark (360)
Fantasia Music Evolved (on 360)
Forza Horizon 2 (360)
Inside
Quantum Break
Shape Up
Sunset Overdrive

WiiU 16
Bayonetta 2
Devil's Third
Hyrule Warriors
Kirby and the Rainbow Curse
Legend of Zelda WiiU
Splatoon
Star Fox (kind of the same case as Gears, you can see Miyamoto playing a blurred out Star Fox)
Mario Maker
Mario Party 10
Mario vs Donkey Kong U (not really sure whether this is an HD remake deal or a new entry in itself)
Fire Emblem X Shin Megami Tensei
Sonic Boom
Splatoon
Super Smash Bros
Xenoblade Chronicles X
Yoshi's Woolly World

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

That vita game list is terrifying and horrible. Creepy anime titles where you use the touch screen to grope girls and then bass fishing. I think I know why they chose to keep quiet about the system now.

They listed Deep Down? Capcom's said time and again that that game isn't leaving Japan.

The majority of people felt Nintendo's show was a refreshing change of pace from the others because it was, just rapidfire delivery of gameplay video after gameplay video. The longest time between a new game being shown was two or three minutes, not the better part of an hour. They didn't sideline games discussion at a games conference to talk about movies for 40 minutes. And I'd like to point it out again, they showed more gameplay per game than Sony or Microsoft's showings combined. You don't happen to like those games, fine, but that doesn't make it any less of a better presentation since they showed what matters and they got to it quick and consistently.

Following their conference they had two days of nothing but streaming these new games being played and discussed in-depth.

Oh, and I went back through that list and checked the exclusives since that's what sells a system, and here's what we got. Not sure whether to count games that are multiplat but only within that company's platforms, I guess I'll make a note of it.

PS4 10
Abzu
Bloodborne
Entwined (also on Vita)
Grim Fandango HD (also on Vita)
Little Big Planet 3
Ratchet & Clank Remastered
Natural Doctrine (PS3, Vita)
Uncharted 4
The Order: 1886
Last of Us (PS3)

One 13
Crackdown
Phantom Dust
Halo 5
Halo Master Chief Collection (also on 360 according to Amazon)
Gears of War (that was at E3? They had a brief clip of a previous game in their show but I don't think anything new was announced)
Fable Legends
Project Spark (360)
Fantasia Music Evolved (on 360)
Forza Horizon 2 (360)
Inside
Quantum Break
Shape Up
Sunset Overdrive

WiiU 16
Bayonetta 2
Devil's Third
Hyrule Warriors
Kirby and the Rainbow Curse
Legend of Zelda WiiU
Splatoon
Star Fox (kind of the same case as Gears, you can see Miyamoto playing a blurred out Star Fox)
Mario Maker
Mario Party 10
Mario vs Donkey Kong U (not really sure whether this is an HD remake deal or a new entry in itself)
Fire Emblem X Shin Megami Tensei
Sonic Boom
Splatoon
Super Smash Bros
Xenoblade Chronicles X
Yoshi's Woolly World

Ya put in the 3DS titles the list only gets bigger. It's almost like Nintendo decided to say "oh, ya wanna know what we've been up to? We've been making all of THESE!" The amount of exclusives they had was obscene and then the Treehouse stream showed all sorts of gameplay and even showed some new stuff on occasion, such as the mech suit in Bayonetta 2. The entire thing was a game changer with no smoke and mirrors. Not only did that they games, they also showed a wide variety of genres from platforming, RPGs, adventure, fighting, shooters, simulation, party, strategy, and so on. This shows why it's so damn silly to count Nintendo out EVER. You'll get your jabs in for awhile but then a year like THIS rolls around and the one who ends up looking stupid is YOU.

 

[TerribleAssassin]

God forbid any of you actually find something to be... Wait for it... GOOD (*Gasp*, I said the G word).

God forbid you actually read the rest of my post and didn't just dismiss it because nostalgia. I like Nintendo when they come up with something interesting, creative or generally just doing things that make sense, that's why I liked the Wii, that's why I liked Mario Galaxy 1, that's why I liked Skyward Sword. But the everything post Wii U launch has been a slideshow of Nintendo fumbling about with being out of touch and relying on their name to uphold them without any extra effort, hence why we're seeing very little creative titles that are actually 1st Party, because they think just thing slapping a random Mario and Zelda game on the system will attract the fanbase that the Wii drew, not realizing the Wii was popular because it had a purpose and filled a void in the market.

I read a an article by a dev for a 3rd Party Wii U launch title, (presume it was ZombiU, but I could be wrong,) and the way he talked about his team having to deal with Nintendo it became very obvious that Nintendo were aloof in getting big name devs behind the console and were just relying extensively on their big names to sell the system. And guess how that turned out for them?