Escape to the Movies: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides

Trivun

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[HEADING=1]I COMPLETELY DISAGREE!!!!![/HEADING]

Just throwing it out there, but I disagree with pretty much 80-90% of what Bob says here. I saw it last night, and loved it, purely because it was something that WASN'T cashing on in the previous trilogy. As a franchise it may be, but that was also the point of the original films if you recall, cashing in on a Goddamn THEME PARK RIDE! In this case, On Stranger Tides takes the best elements from the previous films and pays homage to them, while also working enough to stand out as a seperate stand-alone film where you don't need to have seen the others to understand any of it, yet also gives fitting references to the other films just for the purists. The whole 'priest/mermaid romance' thing did seem like it was happening completely separately, I'll admit, but it certainly wasn't "out of left field", and it actually made for a nice addition to the story. I don't think there were too many characters, though I'd have been happy if they'd simply switched that sailor on the Queen Anne's Revenge for Pintel and Ragetti instead.

Also, I always considered Jack to be the main character anyway, so I don't see any issue with that situation personally. The set pieces were actually really beautiful (and bear in mind I saw it in 2D), especially the sweeping shots of the island, and the cave where the Fountain is located. The shot where they climb down into the cave is framed so perfectly, and I say this as a filmmaker myself. On the whole, I enjoyed it greatly, and people who say they refuse to see it purely because Moviebob doesn't like it are missing out.

I feel I need to make my final point stand out here, by the way. If you have any interest at all in the series, watch this film. Regardless of what critics say. Because we give critics, who are paid to give THEIR opinions, no-one else's, too much control and credit over what we see, and we're the ones who lose out. So ignore Moviebob and see it anyway, and make up your own mind. If nothing else, if you ignore the fact that the first three films existed then it's amazing enough to see anyway, and if you watch it and disagree with me then fine and more power to you :).
 

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WrongSprite said:
It's the best movie since the original one. Really sad to see all these people no longer going to enjoy it based on the opinion of one man...
Most of the people on here that aren't seeing it have said that Moviebob simply confirmed what they already thought about the movie, and the fact that it's "the best since the original" is up to each individual to decide for themselves.

I don't think they view him as some sort of BobGod. Just someone with similar tastes to confirm their own belief.
 

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MovieBob said:
Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides

Captain Jack's charm has worn off.

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Really, his character was wearing thin before the second movie came out. Not because of the movie itself, though--I think they reined him in pretty well during the actual movie--but because of the marketing. Every commerical, poster, ad, everything. It was all Jack Sparrow, Jack Sparrow. It's one of the clearest recent examples of an ad campaign acting as a spoiler for the movie it's advertising.

And by the end of the second movie, the uncontrolled escalation was readily apparent. A three-barrel cannon on a ghost ship? Where could they possibly go from here? Oh, wait... that's right... confirm Elizabeth Swan as the worst Mary Sue in recent memory.

The strength of a supporting character is novelty. Novelty is what gives them their magic. And there are two rules when it comes to magic:

1. Never show the audience all of your tricks. Save some, so that you maintain an air of mystery (and/or novelty). Leave them wanting (but never receiving) more, and they'll talk about you to others.

2. Never perform the same trick twice. Never ever. The half-life on magic is remarkably short, so that second viewing is all the audience will need to lose interest. Familiarity is the enemy of novelty.
 

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I have to agree. After World's End, another Pirates film would've been redundant. It's a bit of a shame that this series is the only non-Pixar product that's making any serious coin for Disney at the box office right now.
 

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Trivun said:
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Just want to say, Jack became the main character of the second and third films because of his, in my opinion, inexplicable popularity. He was funny, yeah, but the main plot of the first movie was Will saving Elizabeth. Jack can't be the main character of that plot.

Once the second one came around, though, the plot became so confusing and convoluted that it was ok for them to shoehorn Jack as the new main.

And just for the record, I don't want you to take this as a personal attack on your taste... it's just that Jack wasn't the main character in the first movie, but became it in the second and third because of the way fans reacted to him.
 

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Why was piccolo's picture used for "frustration?" Was it just the facial expression?

shadowmagus said:
*giddy*

God I love it when Bob rages like an adolescent fanboi. I barely tolerate these movies but listening to Bob get riled up is as much fun as listening to Yahtzee unload on a poorly made game.
Seconded. He (rightfully) tore that director a new a-hole.
 

Trivun

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ZeroMachine said:
Trivun said:
*snipped for space*
Just want to say, Jack became the main character of the second and third films because of his, in my opinion, inexplicable popularity. He was funny, yeah, but the main plot of the first movie was Will saving Elizabeth. Jack can't be the main character of that plot.

Once the second one came around, though, the plot became so confusing and convoluted that it was ok for them to shoehorn Jack as the new main.

And just for the record, I don't want you to take this as a personal attack on your taste... it's just that Jack wasn't the main character in the first movie, but became it in the second and third because of the way fans reacted to him.
That's fine, I can actually agree with you on that. In this film though, I'd also add that Jack's exploits were also much better and more awesome than in the previous films (I mean things like escapes and such, like from Hampton Court Palace or with the coconut trees :p). A lot more detail added to the choreography of such escapes and scenes, which I reckon is probably something to do with the director being a dance choreographer anyway... :p
 

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ZeroMachine said:
WrongSprite said:
It's the best movie since the original one. Really sad to see all these people no longer going to enjoy it based on the opinion of one man...
Most of the people on here that aren't seeing it have said that Moviebob simply confirmed what they already thought about the movie, and the fact that it's "the best since the original" is up to each individual to decide for themselves.

I don't think they view him as some sort of BobGod. Just someone with similar tastes to confirm their own belief.
That's why I stated my opinion, I'm not saying everyone thinks it's 'the best since the original'.

As for bob, I was just pointing out the multiple posts saying "I was going to go and see this, thanks Bob". That doesn't show that they originally agreed with him at all.
 

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The first movie was crap. The second and third movies were convoluted, overinflated crap.

And your saying that this fourth movie is even worse? This franchise is really starting to make me hate pirates...and Johnny Depp.
 

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And despite all that, I'm still going to see this movie over the weekend (I hope). Funny that.

Most critics disliked this film (including this here Bob who, in a roundabout way, insulted me viciously for liking Star Trek 2009), but it's still got 7.7 on IMDb, which is encouraging. I expect awesome Pirate-ness, and frankly, if Captain jack Sparrow + Barbossa + Blackbeard can't give it to me I will personally eat any hat I come across.
 

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Although I respect his opinion, to say I disagree with Bob here would be a massive understatement. This was the best best movie of the franchise since the first simply because it didn't try to be too complex for it's own good and it was fun. Pirates of the Caribbean is a franchise that should never have gone down the epic trilogy route. Each film should have been it's own grand adventure, more akin to the Indiana Jones films.
 

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(1) I wish I saw this before I agreed to watch this with my friend yesterday.

Her reaction: It was fun, enjoyable, especially since this is a fourth installment

My reaction: I once groaned out an "OH GOD!" when the mermaid and clergy/sailor boy kiss.

...although I kinda forgave the actors for it because mermaid is stunning and clergy boy looks fantastic with his shirt off...

(2) They did give a reason why they were keeping the priest around.

Penelope Cruz was worried about Blackbeard's eternal soul and wanted to save it
 

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I was looking forward to this movie, now im apprehensive because I was gonna take a date to see it tomorrow.
 

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Hey, Lay off the Mummy movies! Ok, the dragon emperor one was rubbish, but the first two were amazing, some of my all time favourite movies!
 

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Well I can't say I'm not dissapointed by this review. I rank the first trilogy among my favourite movie franchises and I was always dreading pretty much this happening, but I believed that they'd still be able to pull it off and make it enjoyable.

I had it in my mind that they'd go back to the kind of attitude of the 1st movie. The 1st one was kind of a care-free picture. Sure there was serious shit, but it always had that sense of fun, and now I realise why. Bob is entirely right. The only reason the 1st movie, and the trilogy at large, worked so well is because you had the big plot stuff handled by Bloom and Knightley so Depp could just semi-drunkenly swagger through the scenes giving them that bouncy sense of fun to them.

I still want to see this movie, just because I love the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise, but my enthusiasm has been somewhat defused. I still will see it, but I'm not as hyped as I was, now going into it with lower expectations.

Don't get me wrong, I knew it wasn't going to be as good as any of the previous three, that's the curse of franchise-extended movies. But I'd hoped they'd be able to pull together something that would still evoke that same sense of awesome mystical plotline infused with fun. They might still have that, which is why I want to see it, but now I know it's not going to be as enjoyable for a fact.

Really, they should have brought in other characters to do the heavy lifting. Jack Sparrow is awesome, but only when he's playing the oblivious-acting but scheming Machiavellian fool in the background. Making him the plot focus is just limiting his character. You can't keep him the same carefree blundering magnificent bastard he was while relying on him to carry the plot along with him, it just weighs him down.
 

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I think you've lost your way Bob, Thor was bland and Sucker Punch was average; I went to see both of them based on your reviews. I'm afraid I'm going to go see this because I get the impression that you probably had formed your opinion before you saw the film.

Ironically, I will enjoy it more because you have said it was bad film, therefore having much lower expectations. Same thing happened with Avatar, a lot of people said it sucked, and then I ended up loving the film.
 

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But memoirs of a geisha was beautiful and a really good movie! I mean Gong Li, GONG LI!!

And I don't know where you got the idea that Chicago was forgotten, Catherine Zeta-Jones pretty much lives off that film as her last memorible film she did. Tbh I have no idea what she has been in since then. (apparently Zorro, oceans 12 and the terminal. Go figure.)

Nine was pretty messy though.

I'm saying Rob Marshall is good, but he is pretty far from bad.

As for PofC? Meh, if I have nothing better to do. The EIFF is coming up so I may be pretty filmed out.
 

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GiantRaven said:
Although I respect his opinion, to say I disagree with Bob here would be a massive understatement. This was the best best movie of the franchise since the first simply because it didn't try to be too complex for it's own good and it was fun. Pirates of the Caribbean is a franchise that should never have gone down the epic trilogy route. Each film should have been it's own grand adventure, more akin to the Indiana Jones films.
I agree with you on what the Pirates movies should have been, but I enjoyed the trilogy aspect and the story, complicated as it got. I'm still skeptical about this new movie. Ever since they switched directors, I've wondered how this would turn out.
I was likely never going to see it in the theatre anyway, so DVD rentals for me...