Ever Cheer For the Bad Guy?
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The obvious one is of course Death note.
Also Silence of the lambs, FF7, bleach (I'm just wishing that someone will win, it's been a year, get on with it!) and Halo 1, 2 and 3.
especially after L died
Wow, I didn't see it mentioned yet. Deathnote, obviously. Who doesn't want Kira to win? A major theme of the show is blurred right and wrong.
I wanted Organization XIII from Kingdom Hearts to win. I still have no idea how they were evil. They only wanted to get their hearts. Sure, their leader was a tool and others tried to steal the hearts of other people for stronger Nobodies, but most members honestly thought this was a means to an end.
Yes, often.
Look a my avatar and you will see an immediate example.
Many villains were hailed as heroes by some. We now think that those some were sick bastards, they probably thought we were weak and deserved to perish...
It all gets very confusing and morally debatable.
Look a my avatar and you will see an immediate example.
Evil in itself is only a point of view.rosemystica said:
Many villains were hailed as heroes by some. We now think that those some were sick bastards, they probably thought we were weak and deserved to perish...
It all gets very confusing and morally debatable.
No, it's not... Take a look; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gears_of_War#Storyjibjab963 said:
Oh yeah! Thought of another one... Bowser. I mean, does anyone really care if he kidnaps Peach any more?
Also, I saw someone mention Organization XIII. That's a good one.
Okay. I usually find myself cheering for the bad guys. You wanna' know why?
Because the antagonist is generally given far more character depth than the protagonist is. (There are exceptions of course, such as Fable's now legendarily laughably stupid crop of villains)
A villain who has a clear motive with a clear reason for pursuing them can be a fantastically compelling character. One thing I'm personally very fond of is a relateable, human villain. At least insofar as not being stupidly evil for no clear reason other than being a douche. Half Life 2's Wallace Breen is a clear cut example of this, brought to life by the late, great Robert Culp. Breen is a guy given oodles of (largely illusory) power that he uses to (at least in his own mind) make the best of a bad situation. He rationalizes (correctly) that if they don't kowtow to the Combine's demands the entire human race will be wiped out, and he does what he can to keep it alive, albeit at the expense of freedom, privacy and even basic biological urges. All of which he attempts to rationalize until the bitter end despite the massive amount of suffering going on. Suffer, that has, caused humanity to revolt their against their alien oppressors, which Breen equates to signing the species own death warrant. Still, hidden behind all of his tragic rationalization is the fact that this is a man, who has been (more or less) in charge of all daily affairs on the entire planet for the better part of the last 20 years. He has power and status. He's grown accustomed to it and isn't going to let it slip away without a bloody fight.
This is just one example of a genuinely great villain. Others far less sympathetic examples do exist but this is one of the all-time greats.
Because the antagonist is generally given far more character depth than the protagonist is. (There are exceptions of course, such as Fable's now legendarily laughably stupid crop of villains)
A villain who has a clear motive with a clear reason for pursuing them can be a fantastically compelling character. One thing I'm personally very fond of is a relateable, human villain. At least insofar as not being stupidly evil for no clear reason other than being a douche. Half Life 2's Wallace Breen is a clear cut example of this, brought to life by the late, great Robert Culp. Breen is a guy given oodles of (largely illusory) power that he uses to (at least in his own mind) make the best of a bad situation. He rationalizes (correctly) that if they don't kowtow to the Combine's demands the entire human race will be wiped out, and he does what he can to keep it alive, albeit at the expense of freedom, privacy and even basic biological urges. All of which he attempts to rationalize until the bitter end despite the massive amount of suffering going on. Suffer, that has, caused humanity to revolt their against their alien oppressors, which Breen equates to signing the species own death warrant. Still, hidden behind all of his tragic rationalization is the fact that this is a man, who has been (more or less) in charge of all daily affairs on the entire planet for the better part of the last 20 years. He has power and status. He's grown accustomed to it and isn't going to let it slip away without a bloody fight.
This is just one example of a genuinely great villain. Others far less sympathetic examples do exist but this is one of the all-time greats.
Nah thinking that will smiths "acting" is irritating is rational conclusion given that it so unconvincing of real life.Jonluw said:
And I had to stop playing Killzone because I felt to much sympathy for the helgast.