Ever Cheer For the Bad Guy?

[thethingthatlurks]

You have a really low standard of what constitutes evil. If obliterating a single planet in a galaxy for questionable reasons (at best) is evil, the average 3rd world rebel leader must be satan himself...

What? Obliterating a "single planet"? So if someone blew up, say, Earth, that's all well and dandy?

What the hell do you mean "questionable reasons"? It was held hostage for the location of blueprints. Once location was aquired, they blew it up anyway. I don't see how there's any two ways about it.

And are you really bringing real-world suffering into a discussion about fictional media? Not cool, dude.

A single planet in a galaxy is less than a single town on earth, comparatively speaking.
I'm curious, have you ever read Il Principe by Machiavelli? What the empire did was hardly evil, it actually quite justified in terms of war politics. Seriously, they're less than Saturday morning cartoon villains evil...

 

[Cid Silverwing]

Never.

To Great Justice *hoists the Allied Forces flag*

 

[Big-T]

ill be honest, i totally rooted for gerard butler in "law abiding citizen" i thought he was the good guy till the end. whoops. im going to hell.

 

[thethingthatlurks]

A single planet in a galaxy is less than a single town on earth, comparatively speaking.
I'm curious, have you ever read Il Principe by Machiavelli? What the empire did was hardly evil, it actually quite justified in terms of war politics. Seriously, they're less than Saturday morning cartoon villains evil...

Of course they are. That's because Saturday Morning Cartoon Villians are one-dimensional evil antagonists for a chidren's audience. They're not meant to be even reasonably believable.

So if someone nuked a town, they're not evil? What the hell?

Also, Machiavelli was a prick. Fuck that philosophy and anyone who follows it. Whether or not something can be justified by the philisophy of a man who advocated personal victory and advancement over all else is irrelevent. Also, "war politics". Two of the worst things humans get themselves involved in XD

I meant on the level of "evilness," not in terms of believability. Star Wars isn't really on the same level as a cartoon

Not nuked, that would destroy more than just a single town. Destroy the village, burn it to the ground, and you have an adequate comparison. It's a single place, wholly unimportant to the planet as a whole, and it will likely be ignored by most people.

Oh, bad time to mention that I love The Prince, or Nietzsche's work?

 

[Rafe]

Death note!!

 

[SimplyTheWest]

Ermm...Tom and Jerry anyone?

I always wanted Tom to catch that little B*****D, just because he was so cocky.

I was a messed up child.

 

[AidoruKami]

Not nuked, that would destroy more than just a single town. Destroy the village, burn it to the ground, and you have an adequate comparison. It's a single place, wholly unimportant to the planet as a whole, and it will likely be ignored by most people.

...so if someone burned a place to the ground, it's perfectly justified so long as most of the world doesn't care?

My house is one part of a town, making it even smaller. If someone came and burned my house down, I'd most definitely consider the person that did it to be evil. Based on your logic, the person that did it isn't evil so long as I'm the only one who cares?

I have seen the light.

 

[IHateDaManSkirt]

I wanted Organization XIII from Kingdom Hearts to win. I still have no idea how they were evil. They only wanted to get their hearts. Sure, their leader was a tool and others tried to steal the hearts of other people for stronger Nobodies, but most members honestly thought this was a means to an end.

I rooted for them too. Partially because of that and partially because of the fact that I hated both Sora and Roxas.

OT:As you can see, I do, but only when I hate the protagonist or the "evil" people are better in a lot of ways.

 

[Girl With One Eye]

Personally, I just watched the film Orphan for the second time and it centers around a young girl who turns out to be a psychotic murderer (don't worry, I'm not spoiling anything big) and I just thought the whole time "I really want her to get away with this" mainly because the enitire family she was trying to kill were a bunch of idiots.

That film was seriously messed up!! But no I tend to root for the good guy, especially in orphan because that girl creeped me out

 

[Banana Phone Man]

Watch Law abiding citizen if you ever want to root for a bad guy (it's also a good film btw). The main character, Gerard Butler goes up against the cop, Michael J Fox, and because Butler got scewed over by Fox at the beggining of the film you root for Butler to succeed in the film even though he does a lot of terrible crimes. You also end up hoping that Fox loses even though he is doing the right thing. A lovely twist that is.

 

[kjh242]

Usually if the "good guys" are dumb enough.
Also, Code Geass is arguable. Sure Britannia was trying to take over the world, and all their leaders were weirdos, but Lelouch is just such a douche...
Also, why didn't anything ever happen to Nina? (the lesbian who tried to nuke tokyo like three times or something...)

 

[thethingthatlurks]

Not nuked, that would destroy more than just a single town. Destroy the village, burn it to the ground, and you have an adequate comparison. It's a single place, wholly unimportant to the planet as a whole, and it will likely be ignored by most people.

...so if someone burned a place to the ground, it's perfectly justified so long as most of the world doesn't care?

My house is one part of a town, making it even smaller. If someone came and burned my house down, I'd most definitely consider the person that did it to be evil. Based on your logic, the person that did it isn't evil so long as I'm the only one who cares?

I have seen the light.

Are you in any way shape or form involved in a war against a presumably legitimate authority? If so, yes. If not, no.

 

[wrecker77]

In frosty the snowman, I rooted for the sun.

Cookie for the reference!

0T: Not usually. Most times I just want to see the villain more. Most of them don;t really get a chance to develop as much anymore.

 

[The_Deleted]

Kratos. By III he was hilariously aggressive... but you gotta love the big goof.

 

[Nick of Blades]

I usually root for the bad guys, such as the Decepticons in Transformers and The Empire in Star Wars.

 

[Miumaru]

Not offhand, but I like the villians that just lost their way as opposed to pure evil. All Doom wanted was to talk to his mommy.

 

[DarkenedWolfEye]

I cheered for the werewolves in B&C: the movie, because that movie was terrible and I saw the werewolves' side more than the humans' side.

 

[Arafiro]

Throughout GSestiny I just wanted Kira to die a horrible death. He always came and ruined everything in every battle, although frankly I couldn't even identify who the "bad guys" were sometimes. I rooted for ZAFT until the last episode.

 

[massaffect123]

I usually find myself feeling sorry for the faceless peons, not the leaders usually. You know, the poor infantry type grunts who are just doing their jobs to put food on the table. Of course, it probably doesn't help that I imagine all of them having families with at least five kids, but yeah...

 

[thethingthatlurks]

I meant on the level of "evilness," not in terms of believability. Star Wars isn't really on the same level as a cartoon

Not nuked, that would destroy more than just a single town. Destroy the village, burn it to the ground, and you have an adequate comparison. It's a single place, wholly unimportant to the planet as a whole, and it will likely be ignored by most people.

Oh, bad time to mention that I love The Prince, or Nietzsche's work?

Sure is, because the only philosophy I despise more then Machiavellianism is Nihilism. That, and certain Determinists who use their philosophy of choice to justify everything. Fucking Determinists.

Regardless of their "importance", killing a fucktonne of innocent people is, by any stretch of the word, evil, moreso if nothing is accomplished by the task.

Star Wars and Saturday Cartoons shouldn't be compared. The makeup of cartoon serieses and sci-fi movies are completely different. And even then, how are they less evil than Team Rocket?

I'm pretty sure Machiavellianism isn't a word, but you maybe realpolitik is what you're looking for
Oh, and it's existentialism, not nihilism. Nietzsche hated nihilism, and he is only associated with classical nihilism, not the modern "I kill because I can" sort of nihilism.

But something was accomplished! A potential threat was removed, and the empire had a show of power that intimidated its enemies. You might call it evil, I call it necessary

Wait, Team Rocket is evil? I always thought they were just doucebags for the sake of being doucebags, and possibly comic relief...