And for all we know, Alderan could have harbored weapons of mass disintegrationteh_pwning_dude said:
Ever Cheer For the Bad Guy?
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yeah but at that point people were saying "you know what i may not have voted for this guy but at least he gets things done, he isn't so bad after all" and he panicked and blew a planet up if he had really thought about it he would have raised takes although more people would have joined the rebellion then probably
Not really. Now and again, but not in any good movies, only in movies with protagonists so stupid and irritating that I want them dead. Which is pretty rare, really.
And excuse the rant, but really people. Rooting for the bad guy for no other reason than "the good guys always win, it's too predictable" displays an immense lack of understanding of storytelling. Every story has a point. If the good guys are somehow in the wrong, then the bad guy may win, thus meaning the theme of the movie is to avoid making the mistake that the good guys made. But in the vast majority of stories, the point is hinging on the success of the good guys, meaning that if the bad guy just wins at the end, it renders the entire movie pointless.
It's the same as most of the people who liked the ending to Red Dead Redemption: just because it's surprising doesn't mean it's good. Surprised have to be in line with the theme of the story, or else they're nothing more than a surprise for the sake of surprise that completely nulls any value the story could have had. "It's too predictable" is nowhere near a good excuse for the bad guys to win, and if that's the only reason for it, I can safely say that story will almost always suck immensely.
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And excuse the rant, but really people. Rooting for the bad guy for no other reason than "the good guys always win, it's too predictable" displays an immense lack of understanding of storytelling. Every story has a point. If the good guys are somehow in the wrong, then the bad guy may win, thus meaning the theme of the movie is to avoid making the mistake that the good guys made. But in the vast majority of stories, the point is hinging on the success of the good guys, meaning that if the bad guy just wins at the end, it renders the entire movie pointless.
It's the same as most of the people who liked the ending to Red Dead Redemption: just because it's surprising doesn't mean it's good. Surprised have to be in line with the theme of the story, or else they're nothing more than a surprise for the sake of surprise that completely nulls any value the story could have had. "It's too predictable" is nowhere near a good excuse for the bad guys to win, and if that's the only reason for it, I can safely say that story will almost always suck immensely.
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Well, you can be evil in Infamous, so I guess that counts ... -ish. Also, slightly obscure, but in FFX, Seymour likes being dead, so through all of my battles with him I was just hoping that his wish would finally come true and he'd Actually F***ing Die!!! Oh and technically, if the Al-bhed are evil, then I wanted them to blow the crazy people to kingdom-come with there giant lazer beams. And if the crazy religious people are evil, then I wanted them to destroy the Al-bhed so that summoners could keep summoning ... don't judge me, I like Anima and Valefor.
Uhm, preemptive first strike so that the kittens and puppies could not be weaponized?teh_pwning_dude said:Also for all we know, 80% of the planet was an orphanage for kittens and puppies. What then?thethingthatlurks said:And for all we know, Alderan could have harbored weapons of mass disintegration
Come on, what evidence do we have (in the old trilogy) that the empire is really stomping-on-kittens-and-flicking-off-babies evil? The story is told from one side, except for a hideous old guy muttering something about the dark side of something...
I've also cheered for both Kira & Lelouch on those series but that was merely because they made the story more interesting.Shockolate said:
I always find it more interesting when the villains get their way every now and then; like the Joker in the Dark Night and the Mule in Foundation and Empire (sorta).
I often cheer for the Japanese in Whale Wars. Matter of fact, the only reason I'm watching this season is because they ram Sea Shepherd's new fast boat.
Hedley. The running joke was that people would call him Heddeycormacdffy said:
Seems like the Empire in Star Wars and Avatar seems to be the winners of this threadbaseracer said:
I would like to ask the topic... do you mean antagonist? or the ... morally unethical guy. Because someone said Dexter and he's not evil, just misunderstood =D
If it means anything, i voted for Liev Shrieber in Repo Men and i was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO happy with the ending, despite so many others hating it
^ another Law Abiding Citizen, it was hard to establish who was "good" and "evil" (although the ending pissed me off to no end)canadamus_prime said:
If it means anything, i voted for Liev Shrieber in Repo Men and i was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO happy with the ending, despite so many others hating it
You have a really low standard of what constitutes evil. If obliterating a single planet in a galaxy for questionable reasons (at best) is evil, the average 3rd world rebel leader must be satan himself...teh_pwning_dude said:
It really depends on whether or not I like their character. I'll root for whoever is the most relateable or entertaining. Sometimes it's the bad guy.
Thats a fair point actually, for an evil empire, The Empire were actually pretty decent guys. And to be honest, they seem to kill more of their own staff then any others (but thats OK because there bad guys (even if I'm not sure how they were bad guys (presumably because they died due to the so called "good guys" (... I think I've had Star Wars wrong all this time, the Jedi should be killed, they are the bad guys))))mb16 said: