Ever Cheer For the Bad Guy?

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Not G. Ivingname

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When the villain is more interesting character (which is quite often I find) is a much more interesting character then the heroes, I root for the bad guy. Urseula from Little Mermaid, Mephiles from Sonic 06, Freddy Krugger, these guys are the real show stoppers.
 

DMShade

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I cheer for the Bad guy usually for certain reasons. Mostly, because I think they don't deserve to 'go out' just yet. They should be allowed to rack up more Awesome Villainy points before we make this their climactic showdown. You want them FURTHER over that moral line, or they're just so Honourable in their Evil you'd be pissed if they went out like a Punk; you want the one-on-one against the storm or a sunset duel to the end where the winner earned it and the loser gets to go out with grace.
 
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OmegaXIII said:
Cheveyo said:
In Law Abiding Citizen, I wanted Clyde to kill everyone.
This. Oh my f**king God this.


Also, does Dexter count as a bad guy?
I'd call him an anti-hero. He's taking care of "unchecked versions" of himself, but in a way that isn't approved by society. Which is killing them, cutting them up, and dumping them in the Atlantic Ocean. He's more or less a good bad guy, a serial killer vigilante, if you will. Oh, and I cheer Dexter on every episode.

I also wanted Clyde to kill everyone and exact revenge. He was so close, too! Damn you, Jamie Foxx with your meddling.
 

Icecoldcynic

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Shockolate said:
I wonder how long it takes for Death Note and Code Geass (up to interpretation mind you) get mentioned.
Lol who would want L to win? I was with Light all the way! Obviously though this is the opposite of what the thread wanted. I suppose L does have a lot of fangirls, so they might have rooted for him.

Personally I rooted for the humans in Avatar. I hated those blue monkey things.
 

Kingshadow6

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I was just about to make a thread on this, actually. I just saw Avatar a few days ago, and the whole time, I was rooting for the military to win. If Jake had just done his job instead of doing what he did, the entire conflict may have been resolved peacefully.
 

Tom Phoenix

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Char Aznable was the main antagonist in Mobile Suit Gundam and I always cheered for him. Amuro was such an angsty teenager that it was hard to sympathise with him compared to the charismatic and tragic figure of Char.
 

Yeager942

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Tuco, aka the Ugly, from Sergio Leone's classic, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. He kicked soooo much ass in that movie. You really like him at the end.
 

garfoldsomeoneelse

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In the archetypal good-versus-evil fanfare? Rather often. I've got sort of a weird outlook on the way most plots tend to be: the good guys represent tradition and the good ol' days, whereas the bad guys are progressive and, while misguided, making an effort to change the world as they see fit instead of enforcing the status quo.

Another thing that turns me against the good guys is the fact that the heroes are usually not very well-developed; I guess most directors figure "hey, they want the same thing you want, right? That's all you need to know," and forget to create a three-dimensional protagonist. The bad guy, however, usually has to try justifying his actions at some point, and that means he'll have extra consideration put into his character about his motivations and everything else, which is usually a dimension deeper than the protagonists. This causes the villain to be the most well-crafted and interesting character in the plot, and therefore, the guy I'd like to see come out on top.

Most importantly, I can always relate to the villain better than the protagonist. The hero always fights for some bullshit that's never worked for me, and doesn't really work all that well for anybody else, for that matter: love, the status quo, the government, doing what's "right", and a bunch of other stuff that would be great causes to rally behind in a world far more perfect than this one. The hero makes some pretty serious decisions in the name of silly ideas, and it either makes their thought process very difficult to comprehend, or makes them seem very, very simple-minded, neither of which is terribly endearing. It doesn't make me want to get to know that person, let alone cheer for them to succeed. The villain, however, can usually be counted on to fall into one of four categories, and I like all of them:

1) The villain is disenfranchised and downtrodden, which causes him/her to lash out at society in retaliation for perceived persecution that we've all felt before. Not only can we relate to the feelings of being rejected, ostracized and/or persecuted, but if it's done well enough, the villain becomes downright pitiable.

2) The villain is overly human. Good-versus-evil movies have this recurring theme where the good guys represent what the ideal human is, while the bad guy is a very blunt depiction of what a human being really is, although to a much more severe degree. It's supposed to carry this pretentious message of "honor, dignity and selflessness are what make the world go round", but it's usually just put out there for us to take at face value instead of being explored. This causes us to see two things: the hero is what society wants us to be, and the villain is who we are. We've acted like the villain many more times than we've acted like the hero, and we go, "hey, that asshole in the cape is trying to kill me." Plus, in this instance, the villain usually acknowledges their amorality and refuses to apologize for it, which is kind of like a little wish-fulfillment fantasy character for us to project ourselves onto when we wish we could act out every vile impulse that comes to mind.

3. The villain is insane. This one can go either way for me. I typically only gravitate towards the more whimsical and insipid of insane villains (think of the Joker, back when he would steal a child's report card and skip off gleefully shouting "ha, ha, I made someone cry!"). There's no need to over-analyze the whimsical sort of kook, because they're purely entertaining. Their personalities are bright, vibrant, and often with a sobering dark edge to them when the shit hits the fan. They're a one-man/woman band that can carry the entire plot forward on their shoulders because they're equal parts adult and child, which makes their capacity for both hilarious comedy and grievous tragedy readily apparent. The always-chaotic-evil-type insane villains, however, are typically ones that cause me to shrug and forget about them, because their insanity is often just an excuse for them to do shitty things the hero has to fix, without having to write dialog explaining the reasoning behind it.

4) The villain is out for revenge due to personal tragedy, and will not rest until he gets it. Now, these guys have simple motivation, but they represent the complex affliction of obsession. When it's poorly done, it's just another excuse by a lazy writer for the villain to do bad shit, but when it's done well, the villain is typically portrayed as someone who has suffered a lot of losses, and what would have been their arbitrary license to fuck shit up becomes a tragic story of someone trying to cling to the last vestiges of their sanity by focusing in on the idea that committing their evil act will bring them some semblance of peace. Panicky, unstable, and constantly teetering on the brink of soul-crushing despair, they remind us of the lowest point of our lives, and how we can't really say that we would've done things much differently, were we in their shoes. As a result, they're believable human beings who were pushed to the breaking point, and they quickly establish themselves as being equal parts victim and perpetrator. In other words, infinitely more interesting than the slogan-spewing, gun-twirling douchebag that had an easy ride through life because the forces of fate decided to deal him an unusually good hand.

tl;dr yes
 

Reaper69lol

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Hell Yes, all the time :D hehe, well last time i remember cheering for "Whiplash" in Iron man 2
 

Zeromaeus

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There need to be more games where you can be a canonical asshat.
And yes, when I like the villain more than the hero, I root for the villain.
 

Burningsok

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I try sometime, but the bad guy is usually so retarded that basically gives the good guy all the time in the world to win, but the protagonist is almost as retarded "almost". The protagonist finally figures it out in the end and wins.
 

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Cheveyo said:
In Law Abiding Citizen, I wanted Clyde to kill everyone.
with the slight exception of the blonde chick who was helping Jamie Foxx's character(who didn't really have anything to do with the cope out with the criminals) Im with you all the way.
MelasZepheos said:
I rooted for the truck that nearly crushed Bella Swann at the beginning of Twilight if that counts, but I also see Bella as being the villain of that series so the truck driver is in fact the good guy so it may not count.
what this guy ^ said.


Sometimes when Im watching wrestling I want the heels to win.(its all scripted I know you don't need to tell me) Anyway aside from the wrestling thing and the two above it I mostly cheer for the good guys.
 

Custard_Angel

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I wanted Shrek to die since about he became friendly in the first movie... 4 movies later and he's still around...
 

CorruptCor3

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I rooted for Darth Caedus in the Star Wars EU series. His motivations and reasoning were just....right.
 

Trikeen

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Trailer Park Boys. The entire series follows "the bad guys" and you root for 'em the whole time.