Final Fantasy 16
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All of this just make me like the story less and less. Ultimately they didn't think about all that mumbo jumbo as a natural extension of the story of FF7, they just needed to make stuff up to justify bringing Sephiroth back over and over. Also, does anyone actually care about advent children being cannon? And the whole "bad ending" with the weapon wiping out humanity, why isn't that the sequel instead of this pseudo sequel/remake where we have a Schrodinger story where everything is the same and different at the same time.
Why did they not just make a straight sequel? Well because people care about the original and they know that a straight sequel would suck (see every straight sequel in FF history) and that would have ended with much less sales. So they had to make a remake, but for some inexplicable reason, they think their better than the original team at making a story, so they throw a tantrum and sneak in the sequel aspect and change a bunch of stuff that didn't need change (avalanche are incopotent, Shrina is pointlessly stupid, Sephiroth constantly show up his face for no reason).
This is all I can think about the change.
I mean, that's kind of Final Fantasy's whole thing right? Most FF stories are convoluted and all over the fucking place with random arbiturary things that come from nowhere to make the plot work.
Remember when the big bad of FF5 turned into a splinter and embedded himself into one of the heroes just to ambush them later?
Can you tell me what the fucking is a Cacoon Fal'cie?
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Oh Tidus is a dream by the way, but also not really a dream in the way we understand dreams, but still a dream but also a dream with a human upbringing and entire backstory plus family relationships that actively affect several worlds somehow.
You know would be cool, a school of assassin kids.
Japanese stories are weird man, i dunno what to tell you.
Man I'm glad I avoid spoilers cause all this talk about Zack "surviving" somehow (how do you even survive being shot by a literal infinite number of guys, cause in the original CC they just keep coming at you till you ded) sounds nanners to me. I'll just play the remake sequel and see if it diverges and how good it is being itself when it releases lol.
But yeah of course if Zack somehow survives he will wanna get Angeal's sword back I bet.
But yeah of course if Zack somehow survives he will wanna get Angeal's sword back I bet.
Right, which is my point as well. By incorporating DMC to that ideal vision you add depth of substance in mechanics, which is the thing missing. DMC has some of the most mechanical depth out of any such action game so it's where you'd go to realize that vision. (Though to be fair XV was a whole lot worse than Dissidia, cause its button inputs were more like suggestions rather than tied to specific commands.)
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It's interesting to point out that even though we laughed at them promising that there would be no day 1 patch for the game, the day 1 patch they are now doing is to directly address feedback from people playing the demo. Framerate fixes, motion blur toggle, and controller button rebinding. SO honestly it's the player's fault for this patch and it's actually not bad from the stand point that they're willing addressing people's feedback and going into the game to make adjustments based off of it.
Oh hey, someone else who also apparently actually paid attention to the throughline of FF7, lol. Welcome. It's a lonely table.
(Really, you could slap any of the on-poster antagonists from 4-X with the similar treatment. They're all the second fiddles (though Kefka graduates (and X-death gets to be the exception) in their own tales. But Sephiroth probably sets the record for low screen time in his own game once they throw in the "twist")
But yeah, there is post-FF7 lore that explains it. Though that also turns Cloud into the most powerful psychic anchor for spirits in the world, again without any explanation. One ****pull to justify another. (The more logical case being that the late 90s ever popular fad with black trenchcoats and to some extent reformed villlains (not the Sephiroph ever reforms hit lightning in a bottle for them and they wrote a bunch of stuff to capitilze off that. Which also explains why the other main console spinoff of it followed the simialr party member who has like 7 lines of dialogue in the whole game)
FF has really run the gamut though. FF1 (which initself is a direct crib, minus the battle systems, of early CRPG's like the first Ultima Trilogy) borowed those games sense of "throw all the nerdy stuff in the blender and hope something vaguely coherent comes out. Hence you get seven versions of mytholgoy, a space station, time travel and what all (No random late game side line into a first person space combat though lol).
Then it started to slim down into a more general sci-fi/fantasy writing style, where the general rule is (like) our world, but 1-6 things are different this way (the two most common being magic and monsters are real). Some of the sci-fi stuff was still hanging around but very much presented as magic-tech. Which coalesced in FF6 which had a very grounded overall steampunk vibe powered by the magic.
7 itself as a standalone game, isn't too far off this either. The tech level is upped, and more modern tech is thrown on. But its almost a more futurist evolution of 6's setting. Until Jenova comes in and we've got an alien invasion (essentially).
Post-FF7 continuations and most of the games after that start wandering way off (9 being the throwback one). They throw out the "our world but some basic thing changed, and there's literally hundreds of litlle details that suddenly need re-explaining. By FF13 there's basically a Wikipedia attached to the game because explaining this stuff in-presentation is literlaly impossible.
Which was more or less my critique of the demo story. I haven't gone back ot finish the last (quarter, or so, I'm told). But there's damn near a full hour of basically a cutscene minus some "you push the walk stick" moments. Of people throwing around names and terms like they're supposed to mean anything. What is a Wyvern? A Dominant? Why are these people fighting? Who are these other dudes? Cool, Shiva's fighting Titan, which is a decent looking cutscene but means basically nothing, even though I have series knowledge to know those are both Summons/GFs/Eidolons/whatever we're calling them now (what were Summons meant ot be in FF7 anyways? They're explained in most of the other ones lol)
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No, the players can't be blamed, as this is stuff that should have been in the game in the first place on a new generation console. Turning off motion blur should be there by default. No one in their right mind likes motion blur. The framerate stuff is a bit more understandable, but if you're charging $70+ on an expensive console, I expect results. I am glad the patch is happening, but it still doesn't change the fact people called this out years ago, and that SE couldn't make up their mind and head to back pedal.
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Zack survives in Remake because we defied the fate ghosts (though the real reason is because he's a fan favourite edgy boi). That's an explicitly different timeline than the original FF7, and a major departure. What chu talkin bout?
There's "World of FF7" lore to explain every little thing that didn't need explaining, like the agonising cringe of Genesis Rhapsodos. Just look at that name, and it tells you all you need to know.
No I'm really quite fine with taking a game as presented.
Crono Cross I think was patient zero for the whole shift, at least to my recollection. Let's make a 60 hour long convoluted answer to a purely hypothetical question posed during a cutscene in an optional side quest of the first game. (In the process, also introducing a twist that retroactively devalues all the characters from the original game into mere simulations)
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Sure are, but I'll always maintain that this anything goes approach to narrative is a much better example of what makes the medium artistically unique than the kind that's directly trying to imitate that of blockbuster movies.
I always interpret things portraying themselves as "cinematic" or "like a movie" as marketing-speak, rather than an authentic expression of the artistic vision going into a game.
Square Enix Is Open to Making Final Fantasy Play Like Call of Duty
Square Enix vice president Yoshinori Kitase and Final Fantasy XVI producer Naoki Yoshida agree you could see an FF play like Call of Duty.
www.escapistmagazine.com
From the cynical standpoint, anything releasing itself under the Final Fantasy branding is arguably already coming from a place of compromise.
You'd have to assume a "true artistic vision" would just be its own thing, and not carry a weird overhead brand that itself has no canon or distinct elements. Unless the artist is really die hard on needing Chocobos or Moogles in universe.
Nah it's been around for long enough that current era devs could realistically have always dreamed of their own ideal for a FF game coming up so now are at a point of realizing that ideal. Just because it's part of a series doesn't mean you have to compromise yourself to match it, if anything it means you're finally free to make a game that is allowed to contain the things you always wished but which were often seen as too fantastical or out there by the regular status quo governing most non-final fantasy properties, the vast majority of which are decidedly less fantastical and over the top.
Uh... sure. Should I just go pluck any 5 random JRPG's off the new list on PsStore here as countepoints, or ...
Square Enix Is Open to Making Final Fantasy Play Like Call of Duty
Square Enix vice president Yoshinori Kitase and Final Fantasy XVI producer Naoki Yoshida agree you could see an FF play like Call of Duty.
.....wat?.....
Those 5 would swim in a sea of thousands of games from other genres if we look at total game releases for the same time window, especially when correcting for budget and looking at games with FF-tier butdgets, so my point stands.