draythefingerless said:
Dys said:
MetallicaRulez0 said:
Steam is easier and cheaper, and with GameStop's pricing history I see absolutely no way they could beat Steam. GameStop price gouges everything in their stores, while Steam underprices everything. I just can't see GameStop being willing to drop prices enough to even compete with Steam, much less overtake them.
That's region Dependant, where I'm from both are absurdly expensive (presumably due to the publishers, as valve developed games are priced the same as they are overseas). Small retailers (admittedly not gamestop) import their own stock and charge rrp for PC games ($50us~$49au), where steam typically charges $80-$90 for a digital copy of the same game (and for the extra charge you get slapped with the extra layer of DRM).
Gonna have to call bullshit on you on that. Steams average price is not 80-90 dollars. Ive browsed for hours their catalogue. While it does not come down as OVERLY cheaper than other places, it DEFINITLY does not come over as overly pricier. The average price for their games is 50 dollars, wich is the average price for games that come out anywhere. And im speaking WITHOUT counting the unsurmountable number of sales, wich you will NEVER see in any store out here, except maybe D2D, but D2D just says FUCK YOU to anyone who is non american. i hate them for their poor deliverance of international service.
Apparently I was inescapably clear enough before, the prices change depending on your region. I am, right now, looking at an advertisement[footnote]Despite them bothering to change the prices for region, they don't estimate the currency conversion. All prices are in USD[/footnote] for 'homefront' and can confirm they are selling it for $80. Dragon age is $70, shift 2 unleashed is $80, crysis 2 is $70, total war shogun is $90 as is call of duty black ops. An 'expensive' retail store in Melbourne (such as JB hifi) will sell the boxed versions of the games for about the same price, a specialty/independent store will usually sell them for between $50 and $60au (in Australia the chain retail stores like to completely ignore the RRP of the games). I'm yet to see a new, third party (ie not developed by valve) game advertised on steam that I cannot get at least $10 cheaper from a store or online.
Also, what intrusive DRM? :/ Pardon the question, i really have no idea what...intrusive DRM youre talkin about.
Seriously? Try launching a game linked to steamworks without having steam open. Try force a restart of your computer when steam is not runnning, restart without internet and try to launch a game. If the client is unable to verify you have the rights to launch a steamlocked game (despite it being installed on the computer) it will not allow you to launch it. That's exactly what DRM is.
And, unfortunately, steam doesn't store any credentials on the computer. So, just say I log into steam on my desktop, while my laptop is still running, my laptop will get logged out of steam. If I forget to log back in before I go to my friends house (who has no internet) for some gaming, I will not be able to launch any steam game.
Some people like using steam, and it isn't wrong to like its features, but it is most certainly a DRM system and it is far more invasive than the traditional secuROM shit people are always bitching about.
The only thing i have to do is i have to have the platform turned on to play a game. And while a few years ago, it was a HUGE hassle, Steam is fairly smooth and easy now. OH, and i did have games i took from steam that COULD run without it. I popped Dragon Age 2 on the other day, with Steam Uninstalled, and it ran fine. I know its another layer of software between you an your game, but i doubt its the evil people tell it to be. Somethings have to be done in computing to make sure evth is safe.
As far as I'm aware, dragon age isn't locked to the steamworks DRM. It uses the steam platform, but not the DRM. Not all games available on steam require steam to run (and I'm obviously a lot less critical of those that don't require it). You cannot do the same thing with, say, left 4 dead or civilization 5.
The big thing that shits me about steam is not that it's a DRM, it's that it occasionally kicks itself in the teeth and won't work without an INTERNET connection (which I regularly lack-I game on my laptop a lot). I also hate the incremental install patch system, particularly because the "do not update this game" option is periodically reset back to the default false option when the steam client updates.
Look, steam isn't by any stretch the worst system, but impulse just does some basic things better[footnote]It downloads updates incrementally but does not install them until they entire download is complete, it does not need to be running to run a game attached to it, there are no pop up ads when you close games etc.[/footnote]