Fox News Takes Aim at "Offensive" Duke Nukem Forever
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honestly, some people get so worked up about, well nothing significant really.
if it was meant to be sexist, it would tell us stuff like, women are just boobs and vagina for the men they serve.
if it was meant to be sexist, it would tell us stuff like, women are just boobs and vagina for the men they serve.
that bit made me laugh so muchTom Goldman said:
Just to clarify, you don't actually slap the babe. Duke gives her a spank/love pat is all. If you're still uncomfortable with that, then at least you're uncomfortable with the reality and not the assumption.Biag said:
Isn't there some quote that the best parodies are those which some take seriously?
If there is, it pretty much defines this.
If there is, it pretty much defines this.
Good thing Fox News doesn't get to decide where that line actually is.Tom Goldman said:
You know, conspiracy theories about California trying to shut down the games industry through legislation aside, Fox News definitely has a stake in this. The more they can play up the "damage" that "harmful" video games have on people (especially TEH CHILDRENZ! OMG!) the more impressionable thicksters they can drag into keeping tabs on Fox Newx 24 hours a day to see what the latest developments on game banning legislation are.
Apparently, as much as Duke Nukem is evidence that sex sells, Fox News is evidence that cheap sensationalism sells BETTER.
my favorite game while watching fox is "which one is the news anchor and which one is the porn star"HankMan said:
Having never played The Duke Nukem franchise (I know, I know, I'm sorry!) I am wavering as to whether I will buy it. Articles like this definitely push me to the 'purchase' side of the line, just to 'sock it to the man'!Diamondback One said:
If it had a level like Diamondback suggested, I would pre-purchase the super-rare-special-edition-collector's-gold-enhanced-extra-content-pack today...
really? thats your number one reason for not buying a game? i mean, you're entitled to your opinion n all, but surely the gameplay would make up for it (granted, we haven't been able to play it yet) but if the multiplayer of capture the babe is the problem, just don't play that game type? ah well, each to their own...Biag said:
OT: personally, i would disagree if they took stuff like this out, just because it would kinda be ruining duke. i can see the complaints about sexism, but nobody is going to take it seriously, because its never meant to be. people making this out to be a big issue is making a big fuss for the wrong reasons IMO.
I'm pretty sure their argument for it being harmful to young women is that it would encourage our impressionable boys that women are sex objects to be treated with no respect
I agree with Fox. This video game is the most offensive piece of material to hit publication since "A Modest Proposal".
That was an example of sarcasm, something Fox News doesn't seem to understand.
That was an example of sarcasm, something Fox News doesn't seem to understand.
Hmmm, well I think everyone on all sides of this is wrong to some extent it seems.
To be honest I think Fox News understands Duke is a satire, however understand that with modern feminism being what it is, this kind of thing is considered to be just as bad as serious attempts at sexism. If women aren't presented as being as good, or better than men
in just about everything, then there is an issue. The movement also needs to keep pushing further and further to find things to attack in order to justify it's own continued existance. From a certain point of view, it can be argued that Duke *IS* actually sexist because by being as irreverant as it is, it's contrary to "women's rights are serious business all the time" position that political correctness demands. To be honest though I think Fox is involved not due to political correctness, but due to their support of the anti-video game crusade, they have never made any bones about what side they are on. I don't agree with Fox here (though I do agree with them on many things) but I do think they deserve some points for being consistant whether we like it or not.
The point is that even as a joke, I can see why there is an issue being made of this nowadays. I don't think there is anything wrong with the game, and as I'm pretty much opposed to polically correctness in all of it's forms I not only think "Duke" is fine, but that games can, and should, be pushing the envelope a lot further than this.
I was a bit off base in jumping down the throats of the panel Susan ran without having all of the information in another thread, and apologized for that at the time. I will however say that for the most part I'm anti-feminist. That isn't to say that i think women need to be oppressed, but merely that we've acheived as much equality as reality allows given our level of advancement. Right now pretty much any arguement about the "objectification of women" and the "message it sends to young girls" is ridiculous to the extreme. I've been fighting against this kind of thing since I was a teenager, and we had all those outcries about fantasy artwork. The bottom line is that girls are into the same stuff and produce equally idealized artwork, and for all the horror stories about models and the porn industy, most people that do that seem to actually be fairly happy there, nobody is holding slave contracts (at least in the US), the big complaints generally coming down to "it's unfair because someone else has natural gifts I don't posses and exploits them for personal gain!"... which is like me complaining about Pro-Athletes making tens of millions of dollars a year due to natural gifts I don't have. I mean I could insist we only let normal sized people play basketball or something since you can't teach someone to be seven feet tall (.. and honestly if your the tall and reasonably coordinated you can usually find someone to toss you a million dollars and take a chance you'll be worth it if just for the other players to practice against someone that big). Some girl wins the genetic lottery and decides to exploit that professionally... more power to her. If I was Sir Studdly I'd definatly be trying to get on GQ covers.
To be honest I think Fox News understands Duke is a satire, however understand that with modern feminism being what it is, this kind of thing is considered to be just as bad as serious attempts at sexism. If women aren't presented as being as good, or better than men
in just about everything, then there is an issue. The movement also needs to keep pushing further and further to find things to attack in order to justify it's own continued existance. From a certain point of view, it can be argued that Duke *IS* actually sexist because by being as irreverant as it is, it's contrary to "women's rights are serious business all the time" position that political correctness demands. To be honest though I think Fox is involved not due to political correctness, but due to their support of the anti-video game crusade, they have never made any bones about what side they are on. I don't agree with Fox here (though I do agree with them on many things) but I do think they deserve some points for being consistant whether we like it or not.
The point is that even as a joke, I can see why there is an issue being made of this nowadays. I don't think there is anything wrong with the game, and as I'm pretty much opposed to polically correctness in all of it's forms I not only think "Duke" is fine, but that games can, and should, be pushing the envelope a lot further than this.
I was a bit off base in jumping down the throats of the panel Susan ran without having all of the information in another thread, and apologized for that at the time. I will however say that for the most part I'm anti-feminist. That isn't to say that i think women need to be oppressed, but merely that we've acheived as much equality as reality allows given our level of advancement. Right now pretty much any arguement about the "objectification of women" and the "message it sends to young girls" is ridiculous to the extreme. I've been fighting against this kind of thing since I was a teenager, and we had all those outcries about fantasy artwork. The bottom line is that girls are into the same stuff and produce equally idealized artwork, and for all the horror stories about models and the porn industy, most people that do that seem to actually be fairly happy there, nobody is holding slave contracts (at least in the US), the big complaints generally coming down to "it's unfair because someone else has natural gifts I don't posses and exploits them for personal gain!"... which is like me complaining about Pro-Athletes making tens of millions of dollars a year due to natural gifts I don't have. I mean I could insist we only let normal sized people play basketball or something since you can't teach someone to be seven feet tall (.. and honestly if your the tall and reasonably coordinated you can usually find someone to toss you a million dollars and take a chance you'll be worth it if just for the other players to practice against someone that big). Some girl wins the genetic lottery and decides to exploit that professionally... more power to her. If I was Sir Studdly I'd definatly be trying to get on GQ covers.
Well, Gearbox announced that they were prepared for this, even to the point of welcoming it openly, so I don't think we need to worry about anything is this case.