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There doesn't seem to have been a reckoning within the Republican party against the forces that pushed for war. They were made subservient to Trump and the business elites, but they're still around and if they're not named Bush they tend to be held in some esteem.
The same can be said of the Democratic Party. Of our current President, in fact. Hillary Clinton may have paid a price for it in 2008 to an in retrospect disingenuous Barack Obama, but that's about it. A number of people lost their mainstream media jobs for opposing the Iraq war but those who pushed it found if anything that doing so helped their careers.
 
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I don't think Stalin can get much credit for that.
It's complicated, and essentially comes down to how you interpret the relative effectiveness of Stalinist policies when compared to other hypothetical policies. While the first five year plan was very successful, for example, it was a policy Stalin adopted from the "left opposition", not something he came up with on his own.

In the immediate sense, Stalin was a massive liability for the Soviet war effort. Most of his personal interventions in the war were disastrous, and his political interference in the red army in the run up to the war robbed it of some extremely competent and influential people.
 

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In fairness it was right outside their offices and the office of the Wall Street Journal and was an arson attack. The suspect has also been released with 0 bail because bail reforms in the area mean the crime he's being charged with isn't serious enough to warrant bail (basically they're saying he's an arsonist but he didn't set fire to the tree to harm people). He also went on an insane rant about how mothers are selling their daughters into sex slavery and was arrested previously earlier in the week outside the Ghislaine Maxwell trial where he apparently got his member out and was waving it around outside the court house.

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The suspects father said:
“Oh, he’s a nut. I can’t control him,” Richard Tamanaha, of Hawaii, said. “Mentally, he’s not all there.”
 

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For all that Trumpers love to point and laugh at "snowflakes", they sure will cry victim at every opportunity.

The suspect has also been released with 0 bail because bail reforms in the area mean the crime he's being charged with isn't serious enough to warrant bail (basically they're saying he's an arsonist but he didn't set fire to the tree to harm people).
Hey, that kind of thing is only supposed to happen when non-whites are the victims!
 

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In fairness it was right outside their offices and the office of the Wall Street Journal and was an arson attack. The suspect has also been released with 0 bail because bail reforms in the area mean the crime he's being charged with isn't serious enough to warrant bail (basically they're saying he's an arsonist but he didn't set fire to the tree to harm people). He also went on an insane rant about how mothers are selling their daughters into sex slavery and was arrested previously earlier in the week outside the Ghislaine Maxwell trial where he apparently got his member out and was waving it around outside the court house.

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Was it equal to 9/11 attack though?
 
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For all that Trumpers love to point and laugh at "snowflakes", they sure will cry victim at every opportunity.


Hey, that kind of thing is only supposed to happen when non-whites are the victims!
I mean the easy answer is it's easy news, it happened literally outside the building so there's very little cost of sending reporters anywhere or anything and they immediately know about it happening.
 

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That they distanced themselves from Bush seems more about them needing a scapegoat than actually having a problem with Bush or his policies. Bush seems to be the only Republican who paid a political price for the war on terror. Most other Republicans who supported Bush went on with their careers. Even Trump with his performative distaste for war gave that particular breed of Republicans rank and favor, up to John Bolton.

There doesn't seem to have been a reckoning within the Republican party against the forces that pushed for war. They were made subservient to Trump and the business elites, but they're still around and if they're not named Bush they tend to be held in some esteem.
That's a fair point - Bush was scapegoated somewhat. However, the Republican Party was traditionally pretty rock solid on favouring military intervention, and went to having a broad streak of skepticism about, if not outright aversion to, foreign adventures.

The funny thing I find about the sort of Trumpian right-wingers is that they appear hostile to the business elites that the Republicans are traditionally hand in glove with. That dissonance appears to be resolved by claiming it's the Democratic Party in kahoots with the business elites. Which of course they also are, but surely not to the same depths that the Republican Party is.
 

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The funny thing I find about the sort of Trumpian right-wingers is that they appear hostile to the business elites that the Republicans are traditionally hand in glove with. That dissonance appears to be resolved by claiming it's the Democratic Party in kahoots with the business elites. Which of course they also are, but surely not to the same depths that the Republican Party is.
And of course that despite them claiming to be hostile to the business elites they seem unwilling to recognize that Trump is the embodiment and champion of the business elites. And in policies everyone could very easily see this with Trump pursuing typical corporate desires like de-regulation, dismissal of climate concerns and tax cuts for the rich.
 

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The funny thing I find about the sort of Trumpian right-wingers is that they appear hostile to the business elites that the Republicans are traditionally hand in glove with. That dissonance appears to be resolved by claiming it's the Democratic Party in kahoots with the business elites. Which of course they also are, but surely not to the same depths that the Republican Party is.
I feel like the big problem with liberal democracy is that it's built on the assumption that everyone outside the "political class" is incapable of political agency and doesn't need any kind of political education. Their job is simply to listen to the political class and vote accordingly. Of course, it doesn't work like that and it never has, which is why mass politics always wins. If you can capture the emotional heart of that great mass of people who liberalism assumes are politically disinterested, mainstream politics doesn't stand a chance.

A lot of people know there is something wrong with the world they live in, they know that somewhere they are being screwed over, but without any political education they cannot accurately diagnose what the problem is or who is responsible. I don't think most of the Trumpian right-wingers understand that the problem of business elites is economic and political inequality. It's a problem of identity. These are people who aren't like us, who look down on us, who don't give us the respect we deserve. They're not going to clock that someone like Trump has far more interests in common with those business elites than he does with people like them, because they have not been taught to think about economic interests at all (think about what conclusions they might come to with that kind of knowledge). Trump is good because he is on their side, he respects them, he listens to them, he echoes their ill-defined grievances. Business elites are bad because they're different, they're weird, they're degenerate.

And of course, all this has happened before, which makes this whole situation very alarming.
 

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I have half my family in Kentucky. I've been making phone calls and emails all day making sure they're okay (they are. The worst was some minor storm damage on one of my aunt's house).

And what else do I see? That fucking worm, Rand "GIMMIE GIMMIE GIMMIE that Sandy money"" Paul, a man who MOCKED people who wanted aid for natural disaster repair, is suddenly crying for Federal Aid for KY.


Go fuck yourself, Paul. If you were true to that Randian horsecrap you keep vomiting, you wouldn't even bring up the subject. Suddenly socialism isn't so bad when your votes are on the line, eh? You, that con artist Ken Ham, and McConnell have been nothing but blights on a state that deserves far better.
 

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And what else do I see? That fucking worm, Rand "GIMMIE GIMMIE GIMMIE that Sandy money"" Paul, a man who MOCKED people who wanted aid for natural disaster repair, is suddenly crying for Federal Aid for KY.
He's just following in the footsteps of his idol Ayn Rand, who had no problem accepting Social Security but wanted it eliminated. Hypocrisy is built-in to his worldview.