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Perhaps it could be a red flag that the person might become a radical vigilante?
...Like the Punisher?

It doesn't mean that a person will act on it, of course, but I'm not sure I'd want to be their roommate.
Well, roommate vetting is something everyone has to do by themselves.

Thank you for being a reasonable person and at least entertaining the premise.
I don't know if contributing to this thread is reasonable on my part, but thanks nonetheless.
 

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What if your ideology includes caring about people.

If you have these people who don't care about people, people who do harm to others, people who violate every reasonable precept of an ideology of care towards other people, then do you not feel some obligation to regard those people as evil?
Ask any political party in the world, and they'll tell you that they're the ones who truly care, that they're the ones who are truly right for the citizens, that their way will lead to a reduction of suffering and an increase in happiness, and that their opponents are wrong.

If that party says "evil" instead of "wrong", I'd think that party is fringe and radical.

Can you explain why exactly one would indicate the other?
Because one is wishing death on someone for something that they see as wrong.

...Like the Punisher?
Yes, or like Kyle.
 

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Ask any political party in the world, and they'll tell you that they're the ones who truly care, that they're the ones who are truly right for the citizens, that their way will lead to a reduction of suffering and an increase in happiness, and that their opponents are wrong.
And what's the significance of that?

If that party says "evil" instead of "wrong", I'd think that party is fringe and radical.
Why do you think that?

Is it radical to describe any political position as evil, no matter what that position entails or believes?

Because one is wishing death on someone for something that they see as wrong.
Could you explain the connection though?

Is not having sympathy for someone who is sick or dying the same as wishing death upon them? What makes you assume that?

And even if it is, why would wanting someone who is already sick to die indicate the potential to become a radical vigilante?
 

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Why do you think that?

Is it radical to describe any political position as evil, no matter what that position entails or believes?
I suppose if your political opponents are literally Nazis, you can rightly say that your political opponents are evil. Otherwise, it reveals a lack of humanity. The opponents are just another group of people trying do what they believe is right for the betterment of their country.

Chiefly, I would be concerned with such a party because of the easy slope that starts with seeing others as evil and ends with killing them. Every genocide in history has followed this same pattern, though not necessarily between political parties. The term for that is politicide

Is not having sympathy for someone who is sick or dying the same as wishing death upon them? What makes you assume that?
No, I don't think that it is the same. The person I was responding to said "wishing covid death to conscious spreaders", not merely "not having sympathy".

And even if it is, why would wanting someone who is already sick to die indicate the potential to become a radical vigilante?
Because it's still wishing death, and wishing death shows a callous disregard for human life, so long as the other person made choices that the first person disagrees with.
The person thinks it would be better if this person were removed from the planet, as opposed to them getting cured.
 

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I suppose if your political opponents are literally Nazis, you can rightly say that your political opponents are evil. Otherwise, it reveals a lack of humanity.
Anything short of gas chambers isn't evil? Absurd.
 
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Anything short of gas chambers isn't evil? Absurd.
Some might call it ironic to have you posting this while actively defending the actions of authoritarian, imperialist, and genocidal regimes in other threads as "not so bad" and "for the greater good".
 

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I suppose if your political opponents are literally Nazis, you can rightly say that your political opponents are evil. Otherwise, it reveals a lack of humanity. The opponents are just another group of people trying do what they believe is right for the betterment of their country.
Unless that's not true of course. Unless somewhere deep down a certain group of people know that at best they're engaged in a scorched earth policy where they don't care who they hurt as long as people they don't like are among them.
 

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Anything short of gas chambers isn't evil? Absurd.
I'm sure there are other evil political parties. Nazis weren't the only ones who committed a genocide, after all.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that the only evil parties are the parties who actually do evil. But I'm sure there are no shortage of people on both sides who say "The democrats are doing evil!" or "The republicans are doing evil!" and then we're back to square one.

If you accuse your political opponents of evil, it's likely that you're just engaging in mirror politics. Click on that link and look at who accused the other. What ended up happening? Who were the truly evil ones, the ones that were accused, or the ones that did the accusing?

In order to justify atrocities, you need to accuse your targets as being evil. That way, you can feel justified when you kill them. Accusations of evil is the first step.
 
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What if your ideology includes caring about people.

If you have these people who don't care about people, people who do harm to others, people who violate every reasonable precept of an ideology of care towards other people, then do you not feel some obligation to regard those people as evil?

if not, then I don't think you can reasonably pretend that you care about people. What you care about the moral right of people to act in ways which harm others, which you've mistaken (or, let's be real, deliberately and deceptively misrepresented) as care for people. It's not, it's kind of the opposite.

You don't get to try and shame people for having moral convictions on the grounds that having any convictions is immoral. That is actually hypocrisy.,
??? I think you've made some assumptions about whom I'm referring to and my own feelings. Could you explain what exactly it is you think I meant?
 

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I suppose if your political opponents are literally Nazis, you can rightly say that your political opponents are evil.
Why though?

Aren't Nazis also just another group of people trying to do what they believe is right for the betterment of their country?

If some people can do what they believe is right and still be rightly called evil, then why is it generally wrong to call anyone evil if they're doing what they think is right?

Chiefly, I would be concerned with such a party because of the easy slope that starts with seeing others as evil and ends with killing them.
Why would the former automatically lead to the latter?

Also, is it always wrong to kill people?

No, I don't think that it is the same. The person I was responding to said "wishing covid death to conscious spreaders", not merely "not having sympathy".
Sure, but the person they were referring to didn't actually say that.

Because it's still wishing death, and wishing death shows a callous disregard for human life, so long as the other person made choices that the first person disagrees with.
Would you say that wishing death on one person automatically indicates a callous disregard for human life? What if that person is literally a Nazi, and therefore evil. Is wishing death on them still a callous disregard for human life?

I mean, what if they think other people are evil. Perhaps it would be better if they just died before the slippery slope into genocide started?

The person thinks it would be better if this person were removed from the planet, as opposed to them getting cured.
Are they wrong?
 
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??? I think you've made some assumptions about whom I'm referring to and my own feelings. Could you explain what exactly it is you think I meant?
Why would it make a difference who you were referring to?

You're not a hypocrite are you?
 

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I'm sure there are other evil political parties. Nazis weren't the only ones who committed a genocide, after all.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that the only evil parties are the parties who actually do evil. But I'm sure there are no shortage of people on both sides who say "The democrats are doing evil!" or "The republicans are doing evil!" and then we're back to square one.

If you accuse your political opponents of evil, it's likely that you're just engaging in mirror politics. Click on that link and look at who accused the other. What ended up happening? Who were the truly evil ones, the ones that were accused, or the ones that did the accusing?

In order to justify atrocities, you need to accuse your targets as being evil. That way, you can feel justified when you kill them. Accusations of evil is the first step.
So, were like, the poor school kids getting a free lunch on the fed's dime actually the evil ones or...?

"Hah, reject basic disease prevention measures and eat horse paste"
"Please do not eat the horse paste, it's dangerous and ineffective"
"Help, the horse paste has made me blind and did not cure my covid"
"lol"
"How dare you justify atrocities!"
 
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The sort of sophistry hailed as clever by people who think they are. Seriously, are you trolling or trying to provoke Aristotle into rising from the grave and murdering you for butchering his logic?
No it's a little thing called consistency, some people might want to give it a try some time.
 

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So, were like, the poor school kids getting a free lunch on the fed's dime actually the evil ones or...?
Are school lunches a partisan issue? When people run for school board positions, do they register under a political party?

Why though?

Aren't Nazis also just another group of people trying to do what they believe is right for the betterment of their country?

If some people can do what they believe is right and still be rightly called evil, then why is it generally wrong to call anyone evil if they're doing what they think is right?
It's generally wrong to call anyone evil for doing what they think is right, because they're probably not evil. Parties like the National Socialists are rare.
It would be like if you went up to a random person on the street and called them a murderer. It's possible that you could actually be correct. You could have found the zodiac killer by accident. But you aren't likely to be right.

Why would the former automatically lead to the latter?

Also, is it always wrong to kill people?
I am not saying that the former automatically leads to the latter, just that the former is an essential component of the latter.
No, it is not always wrong to kill people.

Sure, but the person they were referring to didn't actually say that.
"wishing covid death to conscious spreaders" is a direct quote from post 618

Would you say that wishing death on one person automatically indicates a callous disregard for human life? What if that person is literally a Nazi, and therefore evil. Is wishing death on them still a callous disregard for human life?

I mean, what if they think other people are evil. Perhaps it would be better if they just died before the slippery slope into genocide started?
Yes, it automatically indicates a callous disregard for human life. It is better to rehabilitate than to kill. Killing should be your last resort, and not something you should ever want to do. One should always wish for other options.

Are they wrong?
It's not for me to say if the world would truly be better off without them. One would have to be omniscient to know that.