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Just to add on to what Brawlman posted above me. I think Marty’s take on the PlayStation issues sums up what has been going on really well. PlayStation/Sony feeling “off” is the perfect term for it.

 

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Thank you, Nick.

@Nick Calandra. just to add, I still care for physical media and I'm sure there are people that still do. While there's the younger generation, there are a good amount of still care about physical, or I try to teach them the importance of having physical copies. Because at some point or another, they are going to regret and realize the mistake they've made for their apathy. When they try to go back to games they can't play anymore. That's why I'm glad Limited Run games exist. They bother to make physical copy a smaller games, though we can't rely on them all the time. Thankfully, we're seeing smaller and Indie games get physical copies, even if you have to order through Amazon, or go to the Best Buy at times.

You and Jack are dead on about Sony. People on this forum looked at me funny, but I told them what would happen. I told him they're making the same mistake they did in the PS3 era.
 
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Sterling is already on it. I'm getting a weird sense of Dijon mustard right now.​
 

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I was wondering if Sterling was going to talk about this. I honestly hope all of this negative publicity will wake Sony up and get them back on a more gamer friendly track (I think that’s the right term).
They will when they start losing money. Companies like Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo never learn. they will "learn" humility when it's convenient or when they really start losing their green. Like I said before, history repeats itself. Every time a console maker gets arrogant, they get all cocky and start making dumb or dictated decision. Only when they start losing those numbers and all those zeros, that they suddenly care, crying, saying we're sorry or we learned our lesson. I wish it were that simple. The cycle is going to start all over again.
 
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They will when they start losing money. Companies like Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo never learn. they will "learn" humility when it's convenient or when they really start losing their green. Like I said before, history repeats itself. Every time a concertmaker gets arrogant they get all cocky and start making dumb or dictated decision. Only when they start losing those numbers and all those zeros, that they suddenly care, crying, saying we're sorry or we learned our lesson. I wish it were that simple. The cycle is going to start all over again.
The pendelum is bound to swing back and forth. Sony dominated last generation and Microsoft had to figure something out if they wanted to even have a chance in the console market. If this ends up bad for Sony then it could cause people to turn back towards Microsoft if they can capitalize on it.

Now i'm going to shill for Sony because I want too, and i miss Yoshi so somebody has to be the fanboy around here.

In my experience people only ever care about their old shit, once it disappears. Like when my Grandparents gave my Cousins my NES after it sat in the attic for 5 years while i only played SNES. I didn't think about the old system, i didn't care, until I learned it was gone. Then I was mad. But at the end of the day I didn't really miss that system once it was gone because by then the 64 and PS1 were already on my radar.

While people will probably reply and say, "I played my psp all the time!" I think that's mostly bullshit. Sure you might turn on the system (if it still even works now) and you might dick with it, but people aren't likely playing entire games start to finish let alone buying new shit on the pspstore. Sony's biggest misstep and the likelihood as to why PS3 games dont work on PS4/5 is due to that crazy hardware they put into the PS3. It has stupid compatability issues and was exceptionally hard to even port games onto back in the day. Thankfully they changed that with PS4 and they are moving forward with that.

AS a result, those old stores are shutting down because there isn't enough people using them for it to be worth the upkeep.

Microsoft on the other hand doesn't have any other option. Firstly they've been very backwards compatability-friendly since the 360 which still played xbox original games iirc. At least it played some without a problem. Secondly they don't have anything else to offer people. Microsoft was basically dead in the water since they first announced the Xbox One eight years ago. Xbox One over it's entire lifespan only had a couple of "hits", as every other major project Microsoft funding ended up cancelled (Scalebound) or floundering (Crackdown 3, Halo Infinite).

With a new console being forced out the door for no reason. The Series X could have waited another year before release and was only launched to make sure they stay side by side with the PS5. But if they had waited a year, they could have cleaned up and revamped the console (maybe rename the fucking thing too), as well as made sure they had some serious launch line firepower.

Instead Microsoft HAS to be backwards friendly because they don't have shit going for them with modern products. Sure stuff has been announced but it means fuck all until it comes out and is proven worthwhile. So what else can they do for the next 18 months, but highlight the game pass and try to get some easy ports uploaded into their system?

I find it funny that nobody even MENTIONED Xbone Series X in my "next gen 6 months later" thread. Because ya'll can mock PS5 for barely having any games, but nobody even considered Microsoft in the Next Gen race at all because the only thing their "most powerful console ever" is good for is playing 25 year old shit on.

Meanwhile tomorrow Sony gets yet another PS5 exclusive.

At the end of the day, what is going to bring new customers to your system more? Brand NEW crazylooking games? Or decades old games from days gone by?
 
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I find it funny that nobody even MENTIONED Xbone Series X in my "next gen 6 months later" thread. Because ya'll can mock PS5 for barely having any games, but nobody even considered Microsoft in the Next Gen race at all because the only thing their "most powerful console ever" is good for is playing 25 year old shit on.

Meanwhile tomorrow Sony gets yet another PS5 exclusive.

At the end of the day, what is going to bring new customers to your system more? Brand NEW crazylooking games? Or decades old games from days gone by?
On one hand, I very much applaud MS for making the XBOX BC for like 2 generations in a row now. I wish Sony would follow that lead.

The downside is that I still don't want to buy an XBOX because there's nothing I can only play on an XBOX of any sort that I care about. A lot of XBOX games are cross-ported/developed to PC and as I have one of those that's still managing to hold up pretty good even for new games(even if I can't play them on Ultra settings), so it's both good and bad.
 
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At the end of the day, what is going to bring new customers to your system more? Brand NEW crazylooking games? Or decades old games from days gone by?
It's not the kind of games I like to see but I think microsoft is correct in betting on game pass to provide the kind of value for money that will attract a lot of customers. It has been there go-to tactic since the early days of windows; just throw around a gigantic amount of cash to monopolize the market. Sony really doesn't have an alternative for game pass but rather relies on a handful of exclusives to sell their system which also needs to be commercially viable for the mass market(hence why they are primarily focusing on worldwide studios now and shutting down japan studio). Sony really seems to go back and forth between investing in niche titles, having affinity with the creative process and supporting small studios to discarding it just as easily and then focusing solely on the business side. This kind of competition ultimately just leads to a race to the bottom where sales projections are predominantly valued by the lowest common denominator.

In that regard I find the success and rising popularity of game pass an ill omen. Ultimately developers will just be content providers for a subscription service. A 'netflix of games' so to say ie a mountain of mediocre garbage to be passively consumed each month for a standard fee. It will take a lot for a single AAA game with a 3-5 year development cycle and one time purchase to compete with that. Between subscription service and mobile providing these quick return on investments, low level entry and enduring profit models the alternative to 'traditional' game development continues to overshadow their entire profitability.

Microsoft don't give a flying fuck about videogames as far as creativity goes but atleast they understand business like no other.
 
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At least Microsoft bothers the try with there backwards compatibility. I'll give them more than their fair share of credit on that end. You have some points, but it's still bull crap. They know they can support these but they rather not do it. All they got to do is port most of the stuff to PS4 or PS5. Not all them can be physical, but it can still be on digital storefronts for the upgraded versions of PSN. It's the same problem Nintendo has with Mario 3D all stars. They're superficially creating artificial scarcity just to meet their stupid freaking quota. I bought myself a copy of Mario 3D all stars, because I care about Galaxy that much. Even though I already have copies of Sunshine and Galaxy on my GameCube and Wii respectively.

I still play my old consoles every now and then. Maybe not every single game, every single time, but I pop them in once in a while just to get away from the crap that comes on modern consoles. Though there's more than enough games I have that avoid the micro transaction and loot box bullcrap, so lucky me. If there's any console I really don't miss it's my Wii U despite all the good times, I predicted that a majority of those games will be reported either Switch or other next gen consoles.

Sony support these games if they wanted to, they're just too lazy to do it. So when people start pirating these games, Sony has no right to whine and cry like a little bitches. Most of these companies don't. Especially those of the AAA industry. I'm more worried for the smaller and indie games. Unless they're games already on steam or on modern consoles, they are shit out of luck.
 
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@Nick Calandra. just to add, I still care for physical media and I'm sure there are people that still do. While there the younger generation, there are good amount of still care about physical or I try to teach them the importance of having physical copies. Because at some point or another they are going to regret and realize the mistake they have or their apathy. When they try to go back to games they can't anymore. that's why I'm glad limited run games exist. They bother to make physical copy a smaller games, though we can't rely on them all the time. Thankfully, we're seeing smaller and Indie games get physical copies even if you have to order through Amazon or go to the Best Buy at times.

But you and Jack are dead on about Sony. People on this forum looked at me funny, but I told them what would happen. I told him they're making the same mistake they did in the PS3 era.
I'm collecting 4K movies and games again, so I'm sure plenty of people do like you said. But the generation of kids growing up with Fortnite, Roblox, Minecraft etc could give a darn about any physical stuff. They just want their games and they want them now.
 

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At least Microsoft bothers the try with there backwards compatibility. I'll give them more than their fair share of credit on that end. You have some points, but it's still bull crap. They know they can support these but they rather not do it. All I got to do is Port most of the stuff to PS4 or PS5. Not all them can be physical, but it can still be on digital storefronts for the upgraded versions of PSN. it's the same problem Nintendo has with Mario 3D all stars. They're superficially creating artificial scarcity just to meet their stupid freaking quota. I bought myself a copy of Mario 3D all stars, because I care about Galaxy that much. Even though I already have copies of Sunshine and Galaxy on my GameCube and we respectively.

I still play my old consoles every now and then. Maybe not every single game, every single time, but I pop them in once in a while just to get away from the crap that comes on modern consoles. Though there's more than enough games I have that avoid the micro transaction and loot box bullcrap, so lucky me. If there's any console I really don't miss it's my Wii U despite all the good times, I predicted that a majority of those games will be reported either Switch or other next gen consoles.

Sony support these games if they wanted to, they're just too lazy to do it. So people start pirating this games, Sony has no right to whine and cry like a little biatch. Most of these companies don't. Especially those of the AAA industry. I'm more worried for the smaller and indie games. Unless they're games already on steam or on modern consoles, they are shit out of luck.
I mean emulation and piracy of old games is gonna be the only way to play most of it eventually.

Working Atari 2600 machines are getting rarer. And even the chipsets are degrading now. There is only so much life in anything.

And frankly this annoyance at the lack of backwards compatability is a little silly considering it wasnt even a thing until the playstation 2. Nintendo consoles didnt have backwards ability until the wii, though the gameboy maintained it for a while.

Eventually though the medium moves on.

And a lot of games are forced to be lost due to copyright and other rights issues.

Yes it is nice that Microsoft at least offers this, but imo it is a bandaid.
 

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I'm collecting 4K movies and games again, so I'm sure plenty of people do like you said. But the generation of kids growing up with Fortnite, Roblox, Minecraft etc could give a darn about any physical stuff. They just want their games and they want them now.
Sooner or later they will regret the terrible mistakes they made, and they will have no one to blame but themselves. I will whisper to them "Told you so". Granted, the AAA hype machine is a big fucking problem and the major source of their attitude. The other thing being parents spoiling they crotch goblins. That is where the the "I need it now attitude!", comes from as well.


And frankly this annoyance at the lack of backwards compatability is a little silly considering it wasnt even a thing until the playstation 2. Nintendo consoles didnt have backwards ability until the wii, though the gameboy maintained it for a while.
No it's not. Especially when some asshole at the top hypocritically proclaims "No one plays old games anymore!", while said company sell PS1 Classics with the worst versions of most of the games (50 HZ UK/EUR versions), and puts TLOUS and God of War III (yet none of the other prequels, which were ported to PS3) on PS4. You can thank Nintendo for starting backwards compatibility, thank you very much. I still have my GameCube and Wii for a reason, along with my PS2 slim as well.

Working Atari 2600 machines are getting rarer. And even the chipsets are degrading now. There is only so much life in anything.
That's one thing. It's matter of taking care of your shit or seeing a specialists.

Eventually though the medium moves on.
And tends to make the same mistakes over and over again.


And a lot of games are forced to be lost due to copyright and other rights issues.
Licensed games based off of non-game IPs, yes. Most IPs that are already games to begin with, no. You know that is deflection and making bullshit excuses.

Yes it is nice that Microsoft at least offers this, but imo it is a bandaid.
It's more than a band-aid. They put effort regardless, if they realize it or not.
 
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Licensed games based off of non-game IPs, yes. Most IPs that are already games to begin with, no. You know that is deflection and making bullshit excuses.
Square literally cannot release a new remaster or even a rerelease of Final Fantasy Crisis Core, because it uses the likeness of some Japanese pop star and they no longer have the right to his likeness and therefore cannot release a new version of the game without remaking the whole thing and cutting a main character out of it completely.

GTA games have been pulled off market because they don't have the license to the music within the game anymore. And Publishers aren't going to continue to renew music licenses for old titles to continue to sell them infinitely.

And there are probably lots of other reasons as to why companies no longer sell titles anymore. Old games that were never created as a digital format for example. The company isn't going to keep making physical copies of old media the same way nobody buys 8-track tapes, cassettes, or VHS anymore.

Regardless there are limits to the scope of this, and i think what microsoft is doing is novelty right now.

However i will consede that they are laying a strong foundation to have a great service, WHEN and IF they start releasing good new games along with it. They have bragged that new titles are available through that subscription Day 1, but there haven't been noteworthy games to make that really appealing as of yet. Hopefully Halo is good, and hopefully Fable is good.
 

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Square literally cannot release a new remaster or even a rerelease of Final Fantasy Crisis Core, because it uses the likeness of some Japanese pop star and they no longer have the right to his likeness and therefore cannot release a new version of the game without remaking the whole thing and cutting a main character out of it completely.
Their own fault. Crisis Core sucked any way. No one needs Gackt again. I already have one game of him on PS2.

GTA games have been pulled off market because they don't have the license to the music within the game anymore. And Publishers aren't going to continue to renew music licenses for old titles to continue to sell them infinitely.
Yet with all of the money and scamming they make from GTA Online, they know they can afford it, but don't want to do it. For all of their boasting of their wealth, and "ULTRA ALPHA MALE ROCKSTARS!!!!"; Rockstar are nothing but a bunch of cowards and bitches. Wannabe alphas that cry when things don't go their way. I find most of the GTAs pointless to go back to and find them boring.
 
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Crisis Core sucked any way.
You take that back or we can't ever be friends!

Yet with all of the money and scamming they make from GTA Online, they know they can afford it, but don't want to do it. For all of their boasting of their wealth, and "ULTRA ALPHA MALE ROCKSTARS!!!!", Rockstar are nothing but a bunch of cowards and bitches. Wannabe alphas they cry when things don't go things their way. I find most of the GTAs pointless to go back to and find them boring.
To be fair, there is also the problem with music rights changing labels and labels not wanting to work with games companies. It does happen and even some artists don't work with video games. I can't think of a single game to ever use a Metallica song for example (outside of the guitar hero games).

Point being I don't think it's totally in Rockstar's court. Though what you say is certainly applicable for a lot of things.

I guess the thing you and I disagree most with, is you are very "fuck 'em forever" if the puclisher or company or whatever does what you feel is wrong by you. and that's fine sure. but if i did that i wouldn't play games anymore so i try to view things on a case by case deal.
 
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