Game of Thrones Final Season Discussion Thread. (SPOILERS ABOUND, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED)
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Love, love, love how the showrunners have been playing up how awful, backwards, and dumb all those racist Make Westeros Great Again Northerners are...only for the beginning, middle, and end of "strategy" in tonight's episode was "Operation Human Shield" from the South Park movie.
Seriously, I started laughing at how awful the episode was at that stupid fucking Dothraki charge, kept laughing for an hour straight, stopped laughing when the writers failed to pluck the lowest-hanging fruit in all Westeros in the form of an "I hate your family" quip from Tyrion during a certain scene, and by the time Arya had her Chosen One (by the writers) moment I just...didn't give a fuck any more, and had come full circle to where I was with the show before I started watching in season four:
I just don't care, all these people are stupid, and I hope they all die.
Seriously, I started laughing at how awful the episode was at that stupid fucking Dothraki charge, kept laughing for an hour straight, stopped laughing when the writers failed to pluck the lowest-hanging fruit in all Westeros in the form of an "I hate your family" quip from Tyrion during a certain scene, and by the time Arya had her Chosen One (by the writers) moment I just...didn't give a fuck any more, and had come full circle to where I was with the show before I started watching in season four:
I just don't care, all these people are stupid, and I hope they all die.
Eh, couldn't quite enjoy the spectacle over the niggles. Why are those catapults on the ground and firing during the cavalry charge, not on the walls and firing when you have the dead pinned back by the fire trench? Why did you even make that head on charge against an enemy that you know won't break and run? What exactly are the rules for the Night King if he can ignore being torched by dragon fire but still get killed by obsidian? And if what he really wants is Bran then why is he taking his sweet time with it? How exactly am I supposed to take Cersei seriously as a threat now when all she has are normal humans for an army?
EDIT: New theory though. What if it's not Bran that becomes the Night King, like some people thought, what if it's Arya? What if the curse that created him is passed on to her somehow? And at first she just uses her new powers to try and help win the fight against Cersei but since she's more than a little bit of a psychopath she just starts the whole cycle over again, and Jon finally lives out that damn prophecy about him being Azhor Ahai and kills her, no doubt with some reference to sticking them with the pointy end
EDIT: New theory though. What if it's not Bran that becomes the Night King, like some people thought, what if it's Arya? What if the curse that created him is passed on to her somehow? And at first she just uses her new powers to try and help win the fight against Cersei but since she's more than a little bit of a psychopath she just starts the whole cycle over again, and Jon finally lives out that damn prophecy about him being Azhor Ahai and kills her, no doubt with some reference to sticking them with the pointy end
Coloured people were told to hold the line and die or charge at the enemy while the white people got behind the walls.Samtemdo8 said:
Show's been low-key pushing Northerners are racist, by showing them specifically disdainful of the Dothraki and Unsullied while the...lighter-skinned...among Daenerys' soldiers and supporters are at least tolerated. The only exception to that being Tyrion and Jaime, but that's because they're Lannisters and the writers go out of their way to point out how much of an exception that is.Samtemdo8 said:
Bare minimum, you'd think Jorah would be shown getting that treatment specifically for being a disgraced liege-lord and traitor to the North at large, but apparently not. Or Varys for that matter, being a eunuch spymaster from Essos (known to the smallfolk), and someone whose loyalties are fluid to say the least, considering he's openly supported more of the Starks' enemies than anyone else in the series.
Haven't seen epi 3 yet, but judging from the comment so far, it's really dumb.
I'm getting all excited to find out firsthand just how dumb it really is. Yikes.
I'm getting all excited to find out firsthand just how dumb it really is. Yikes.
Honestly, it's about average for D&D. It doesn't reach the depths of Dorne or Stannis, but it is what it is.Chimpzy said:
Season 8 is dark and full of errors.Samtemdo8 said:
I'm fully expecting Stannis to grow increasingly desperate and burn Shireen in the books as well (if Winds of Winter is ever released), but yeah, it was handled awfully in the show. If he burns his only heir, it'll be to defeat the Others, not Ramsay fucking Bolton.Eacaraxe said:
I don't know how they are gonna top the sheer spectacle that was this episode.
We had fucking Dragons and Zombie Giants and Magic here.
Like if this was The Battle of Helm's Deep, the Battle with Cersei at King's Landing better be the Battle of Gondor.
We had fucking Dragons and Zombie Giants and Magic here.
Like if this was The Battle of Helm's Deep, the Battle with Cersei at King's Landing better be the Battle of Gondor.
OK I am gonna say it. Arya Stark is now OFFICIALLY the Mary Sue of this entire series.
She kills Walder Frey avenging the Red Wedding, She kills Littlefinger avenging her father, she kills the Night King so fuck Azor Ahai, she fucks Gendry she finds her one true paring, calling it now, she's probably gonna stab Cersei in the back.
If this show ran out of books earlier, she probably would have killed Joffery and Tywin by now.
She kills Walder Frey avenging the Red Wedding, She kills Littlefinger avenging her father, she kills the Night King so fuck Azor Ahai, she fucks Gendry she finds her one true paring, calling it now, she's probably gonna stab Cersei in the back.
If this show ran out of books earlier, she probably would have killed Joffery and Tywin by now.
There's nothing really wrong with Arya being the one to kill the Night King. In fact, it makes a lot of sense. No one could take him in a fair fight. It takes someone sneaky to pull a trick like Arya in order to kill him. But I think that people would ***** and moan no matter how he died. So again, it doesn't matter.
If you want to criticize something, criticize the fact that central plot of the entire series was resolved in a single mid-season episode. And criticize the fact that the producers of the show no longer consider the White Walkers to be the central, driving plot of the show. If they ever did. It's quite obvious that the soap opera bits about conspiracies and courtly intrigues are more important to them. But I guess that's par for the course for these guys. It wouldn't be the first time that they missed the point.
If you want to criticize something, criticize the fact that central plot of the entire series was resolved in a single mid-season episode. And criticize the fact that the producers of the show no longer consider the White Walkers to be the central, driving plot of the show. If they ever did. It's quite obvious that the soap opera bits about conspiracies and courtly intrigues are more important to them. But I guess that's par for the course for these guys. It wouldn't be the first time that they missed the point.
The Soap Opera/Political Intrigue is what arguably made this show in the first place.Adam Jensen said:
It's important sure. But I've always seen it as a tool for character development and something that's going to be resolved before the real story starts to unfold.Samtemdo8 said:
Although we knew that GoT's writers were absolutely hopeless at realistic medieval combat from The Battle of the Bastards: triumphs of absurd spectacle over anything resembling sense.Abomination said:
0) Preamble: Rickon being hit. No. No you are almost certainly not going to hit a single moving target at that distance using a medieval bow and arrow. Never mind a killing hit.
1) Jon Snow charging the enemy lines alone is stupid beyond credibility or forgiveness.
2) Two armies of people apparently identically dressed in a completely chaotic, intermingled melee: frankly, no-one would have any idea who to stick their spear/sword into.
3) Where did all the cavalry go? One minute the cavalry are engaged, next minute there's not a living horse to be found.
4) That phalanx-like spearwall Bolton's force has? Yeah, that's not really suitable for outflanking: those units have very poor manoeuverability. Ideally, of course, they should have been sent against the enemy cavalry.
5) The incredibly bizarre corpse wall. (Can anyone name a single real life battle that's occurred in?) You'd need dozens and dozens and piled up for a wall that high, but a fairly typical battleline will be about 8 deep, and will rout long before even half of them are dead. Not only that but whilst it would make slightly more sense if they fought in an ordered formation and the front ranks were dying in the same place with neither side able to push the other back, it's depicted as a confused melee with no clear frontline so the dead are spread out over a considerable area thus even less likely to be in a big pile.
6) All the generals of Snow's force charge into battle - nobody watching what's going on. No reserves. Not impossible and has historical precedent, but it makes them morons. And why the hell send your archers into melee anyway?
7) The arrival of the Knights of the Vale was basically a shitty deus ex machina: Jon Snow and pals do everything wrong and kind of deserve to lose.