Games that you mentally declare non-canon.
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KoudelkaMorgan said:
Which is fine, except that they when out of their way to show you that everyone from the first game died in an orphanage fire, that Lucca'a time research center AI went crazy and started the whole mess in CC, Schala was merged with a pandimensional extension of Lavos (or something to that effect) and that Kid was found by Lucca and adopted by her.
They even added that last part to the ending of the DS version of CT along with the Dream Devourer extra boss fight in Time's Eclipse.
For a game that "tells its own story" it sure had no trouble sticking its fingers into the one I actually liked...
The whole point of Generations is that at least the games it shows are all in one universe, they're just at different times.Shoggoth2588 said:
Although Sonic 2006 literally never happened in canon. The ending goes back and edits the whole events out of reality such that none of it ever happened.
I've never played Sonic 06 but I've heard about the ending. I think the multiple-earths angle when it comes to Sonic would just be a way of explaining away the major differences between the games, the comics, the OTHER comics, SAT AM and, the other cartoons/anime series.GloatingSwine said:
Other M. I don' have to justify anything. [http://moonbase.rydia.net/mental/blog/gaming/metroid-other-m-the-elephant/article.html] The gameplay was nice, but, just no...
I don't uerstand everyon's problem with Raiden. He's not whiny, he's just a novice. He's also not Solid Snake. I think too many of us went into MGS2 expecting to either play as Snake or another badass like Snake, and so we were disappointed.Lord Quirk said:
It makes no goddamn sense to me, but the LucasArts team considers Star Wars Kinect to be canon.
Fuck right off.
Fuck right off.
Explain how nothing in Crisis Core is canon. This'll be fun. Also, the point of whether something's canon or not is the plot, not the gameplay. If that were the point, we'd be discussing whether the games were FUN or not.Garrett said:
I'll go with Metroid: Other M not because it sucked, but because it went painfully against established canon.
A few people said Metal Gear Solid 2 shouldn't be canon. I disagree because the complaints are levied because they just don't like Raiden. Raiden is ultimately essential to the plot, therefore he is canon.
Yeah, but you don't have to explain all those other things because they're not in canon with the games at all. They're seperate and unrelated in all but name.Shoggoth2588 said:
I find it ironic seeing all the people on this thread wishing metroid other m was non-canon, the same game that made the Metroid prime series non-canon
Even though it's been said before, Metroid: Other M. I really, really liked the Prime games and hope that Nintendo does damage control in regards to this awful game. May it never be mentioned again.
MGS2 is a mess indeed, but I can encapsulate much of it for you guys.
Snake and Otacon are now members of some group called Philanthropy, it's now their dayjob to go around and fuck up Metal Gears. A new model is being shipped, Snake gets sent in to take pics, Ocelot gets pics taken of him instead and slanders him on the Internet (no seriously) then sinks the tanker. The Big Shell is built to clean up the oil, then they sink a dummy tanker to pad out the cleanup while the Big Shell is just a big fat cover-up for Metal Gear RAY housed underneath.
Raiden gets sent in and we basically repeat the events of Shadow Moses with barely some innovations here and there. Whiny, bitchy, unlikeable pretty-boy created to troll fans who demanded more (because Kojima knows people wanna be badass but can't so he trolled everyone but everyone missed the point and raged).
By the end of MGS2, Otacon loses his step sister, the RAY's are mostly destroyed, Manhattan got a bad case of Arsenal Gear shoved into City Hall (censored due to 9/11) and Raiden has killed off Solidus Snake, who killed Raiden's parents so he could adopt him and make him the soldier he is. Everything turns out to be a giant replay of Shadow Moses, part of the "Selection For Societal Sanity" program (the S3, or Internet censorship). Somewhere between here and MGS4, Olga had delivered her child, Sunny, who is then adopted by Otacon by the time MGS4 rolls around. Dead Cell is finished off except for Vamp.
The more fans demanded, the more sick and tired Hideo Kojima got of the demands and trolled you harder with more fourth-wall-breaking until, when Konami got sent death threats if Kojima didn't direct MGS4, he torched the franchise and ran. Or TRIED to, anyway.
As for games I consider non-canon: Splinter Cell Double Agent and everything after. Each game kicked more ass then reached the peak with Chaos Theory, stumbled really badly with Double Agent, then plummeted straight down to the Earth's core and beyond with every sequel thereafter.
Snake and Otacon are now members of some group called Philanthropy, it's now their dayjob to go around and fuck up Metal Gears. A new model is being shipped, Snake gets sent in to take pics, Ocelot gets pics taken of him instead and slanders him on the Internet (no seriously) then sinks the tanker. The Big Shell is built to clean up the oil, then they sink a dummy tanker to pad out the cleanup while the Big Shell is just a big fat cover-up for Metal Gear RAY housed underneath.
Raiden gets sent in and we basically repeat the events of Shadow Moses with barely some innovations here and there. Whiny, bitchy, unlikeable pretty-boy created to troll fans who demanded more (because Kojima knows people wanna be badass but can't so he trolled everyone but everyone missed the point and raged).
By the end of MGS2, Otacon loses his step sister, the RAY's are mostly destroyed, Manhattan got a bad case of Arsenal Gear shoved into City Hall (censored due to 9/11) and Raiden has killed off Solidus Snake, who killed Raiden's parents so he could adopt him and make him the soldier he is. Everything turns out to be a giant replay of Shadow Moses, part of the "Selection For Societal Sanity" program (the S3, or Internet censorship). Somewhere between here and MGS4, Olga had delivered her child, Sunny, who is then adopted by Otacon by the time MGS4 rolls around. Dead Cell is finished off except for Vamp.
The more fans demanded, the more sick and tired Hideo Kojima got of the demands and trolled you harder with more fourth-wall-breaking until, when Konami got sent death threats if Kojima didn't direct MGS4, he torched the franchise and ran. Or TRIED to, anyway.
As for games I consider non-canon: Splinter Cell Double Agent and everything after. Each game kicked more ass then reached the peak with Chaos Theory, stumbled really badly with Double Agent, then plummeted straight down to the Earth's core and beyond with every sequel thereafter.
I'd say that just to piss off and troll all the fallout 1 & 2 fanboys that just can't STFU about Bethesda and how it "ruined their world." It's one thing when a sequel is a complete disaster (Other M). But Fallout 3 was a good (great for some - like me) sequel, and these people still try to force the idea that it's as horrible as the SW prequels just because they're butt hurt that the series took on FPS game mechanics, was popular, and made boat loads of money.Gincairn said:
But the only reason I wouldn't is because I like to do this strange thing and judge games with an "open mind," and Fallout 1 and 2 were good games. Although I rather have an FPS than an isometric chess board which bored me to tears and force me to play the damn games just for the story.
^^
I've never really felt the need to consider any entry in a game series I've played "non-canon" because you kow, that's the job of the game developer, not me. Yeh, that even counts for Invisible War. That game existed, and it still does. Get over it.
I can't speak for Birth by Sleep as I haven't played it yet (I'm going to soon, so no spoilers please) but I thought 358/2 Days was far more canonical than people give it credit for.Fiad said:
You already knew that...
Roxas was in Organization XIII before he fought Riku and lost (the second time). We also know that Axel was good friends with Roxas, as said when (KH2 spoiler) he dies. "Roxas was the only one who made me feel like I had a heart. You kind of gave me that feeling too."
He also says they were best friends when he's in twilight town.
Now, as for Xion, that's... okay I'll give you that one. The whole replica thing was idiotic in Chain of Memories and Days.
He also says they were best friends when he's in twilight town.
Now, as for Xion, that's... okay I'll give you that one. The whole replica thing was idiotic in Chain of Memories and Days.
But even so, you have to give some leeway to Days because, I mean... "Everything in Castle Oblivion is governed by the cards." ...come on.
OT: For obvious reasons, the Zelda CD-i games.
I also like the idea of ignoring DA2 from the canon.
And while we're at it, I will actually deny the canon of Chain of Memories... but ONLY the card part. Oh, and Riku's storyline was just plain ridiculous. At least as far as I played it. Why did riku have to go to monstro? or agrabah? neverland? I mean sure he showed up in monstro in KH1... for like two seconds.
Nevermind. I guess it was necessary to explain why
Zexion and Lexaeus are dead in KH2, because we know sora killed Vexen, Larxene, and Marluxia in CO already.
BACK OT:
Fallout: New Vegas. This one was just dumb. Although I'm sure those who played Fallout 1 and 2 probably did not like fallout 3 either, which I loved.
The Zelda DS games, Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks. I loved these games, but the story does not work for either one. Spirit Tracks was just kind of silly.
Oh and I also agree with those saying that WoW is not canon. In warcraft 3 we had awesome characters and in WoW they all either just sit on a throne as an NPC in a city, or they get killed far too easily. Now who's left? Pandas. Just pandas.
*flameshield engage*
Insomniac and Universal's Spyro games, as well as Skylanders.
Seriously, Skylanders is a Pokemon wannabe only children who
don't know the seriestrilogy would pick up, and the Insomniac/Vivendi
titles look like something Rare would've made when they weren't trying to piss
off the censors. As far I care, the Legends games are the real stuff.
*flameshield disengage*
Most Sonic games between Heroes and Colors.
"Megaman" Starforce in its entirety.
Ultima IX, enough said.
Mario Galaxy 1&2. Bleh.
Bring out your sore rumps, I say!
Bring out your seared arses!
Insomniac and Universal's Spyro games, as well as Skylanders.
Seriously, Skylanders is a Pokemon wannabe only children who
don't know the seriestrilogy would pick up, and the Insomniac/Vivendi
titles look like something Rare would've made when they weren't trying to piss
off the censors. As far I care, the Legends games are the real stuff.
*flameshield disengage*
Most Sonic games between Heroes and Colors.
"Megaman" Starforce in its entirety.
Ultima IX, enough said.
Mario Galaxy 1&2. Bleh.
Bring out your sore rumps, I say!
Bring out your seared arses!