I agree with all you said. Here in Poland we actually have two classes, called "Knowledge about Society" which is about human rights and Polish law; second called "Basics of Economy" about consumer rights, taxes and other things. Mostly boring as fuck, but I can't say noone told me I am breaking this and this law.John Prior said:The bit where she nearly caused a fight. That's where the law comes in.
Also the freedom of speech is NOT unlimited, State secrets and anything that can cause a breach of the peace. (what she was doing) is not included in your right to free speech.
I swear Law should be a mandatory subject is schools.
(And yes I know I fail at spelling but I'm dislexic so I don't care)
He took German I + II in High School, but that's rudimentary stuff.this isnt my name said:Snip
The reason this sparked so much controversy is because it's not heard often, lol. I like to think that Britain is getting a lot better and more accepting of different races, cultures, sexualities, see these big spark ups as a good thing. For example, the two gay men who got kicked out of a bar for kissing publicly, one little complaint on youtube and hundreds of people turned up the next day, gays and none gays just to prove a point and kissed outside the pub. We look after each other and that's whats important, whether we are from that race, culture or sexuality or not.thejackyl said:Wow...
And I thought America was the worst place when it came to "Go back to your own country".
Personally, Immigration doesn't bother me. Diversity doesn't bother me. The thing that bothers me is when people immigrate and expect that country to bend over backwards to cater to them. If you are going to move(permanently) to a new country, make an effort to learn the new language.
A friend of mine from school moved to Germany, it took him 3 weeks to learn fluent German And I know people who have lived around where I live for 20+ years and haven't even attempted to learn English.
Sorry if any of the above sounded wrong: I'm just a little pissed that I got written up at work because a customer wrote in to the store (in Spanish): "I thought the Cashier (name) was rude because he refused to speak Spanish". I didn't refuse to, I told them politely that I do not speak Spanish.
I never denied that she was breaking any laws. I was merely stating that she shouldn't be. That is, it is my opinion that there is a problem with a law which states that you can be arrested for inciting one person to act violently against you, regardless of context.MelasZepheos said:Well actually I suppose it doesn't matter what you or even I think, because the law is very clear.zehydra said:No, it is not worthy of arrest. They can and should however keep her off the train if they want. If she refuses then, they should be able to arrest her on the grounds of trespassing (or some kind of other law you want to enact that deals directly with this issue)MelasZepheos said:So you don't think that verbally abusing someone on the grounds of race in public is worthy of arrest? She not only insulted and attacked anyone on the train who wasn't white, but she also directly abused at least one black woman. We have laws about public disruption specifically to deal with people like this.zehydra said:oh and out of the woodwork they came...Vanguard_Ex said:She doesn't have an interesting opinion. She has a rampantly racist opinion and thinks that countless people who have put more into my country than she ever will should leave based on their skin colour. End of.
Edit: And before they crawl out the woodwork, no, she is not protected by freedom of speech. She deserved to be arrested and the police have every justification to punish her.
I don't know if it's illegal to be racist in Britain, but it doesn't really make sense to arrest somebody because they say something which offends somebody in a public setting, since that would be a slippery slope with no well-defined end to it.
I do think that the public transportation system should be allowed to kick her off the train though.
It is illegal to be racist in Britain, and before you counter with 'America land of the free', they have laws about public order disruption and racism in America too.
Otherwise it would be entirely legal to say whatever you wanted in public, and that would be absurd.
Under the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006, the laws regarding breaches of the peace and disorderly conduct, this woman should be arrested. (UK)
If she was in America, then under whatever the state had as a law about disorderly conduct as well as racial relations laws she would be arrested.
What you think doesn't matter at all, because the rule of law both for America and Britain is clear. She incited racial hatred, she disrupted the peace, and she was guilty of disorderly conduct. Would you like me to find more laws she was guilty of breaking?
Hilarious. What, because you can't stand the fact that I understand freedom of speech better than a few people here? Whatever, I doubt a UK based journalist will weep over one lost Mexican reader, albeit a petty and childish one.boag said:Well I know someone I wont trusting for news now.Vanguard_Ex said:Also I thoroughly recommend you really assess your thoughts and make sure you know what you're talking about before you bring sarcasm into a human rights debate with a trainee journalist.Volf99 said:hmm... your right, we should punish people who express an unpopular opinion! I mean why let people have the freedom to express themselves?! Outrageous! *sarcasm*Vanguard_Ex said:She doesn't have an interesting opinion. She has a rampantly racist opinion and thinks that countless people who have put more into my country than she ever will should leave based on their skin colour. End of.
Edit: And before they crawl out the woodwork, no, she is not protected by freedom of speech. She deserved to be arrested and the police have every justification to punish her.
Get serious man, are you really supporting someone being CRIMINALLY charged because they expressed an opinion? Really? I mean really? lol, you know who else punishes people when they express an unpopular opinion? The CCP when people say things that are deemed "criminal" to say.
Othello plays in the mediterranean and the title character is a Moor not a black african. The portrayal of blacks and muslims in 1600's european arts and literature was for the most part negative and stayed that way until well into the modern period...John Prior said:I hate my Country sometimes.
Also "your not British your black" what a stupied statement. Its not like there have been Black people in England since the 1600's. Hell Othello by Shakespere is a story with a Black lead who is in a mixed marrage.