"Good" Characters who are actually kinda assholes.
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What makes you think they didn't just wait because they knew Freeman was going to show up there sooner or later after re-awakening?6th And Silver said:
Kratos from the GoW series. As Yahtzee said in his review of GoW3, it kind of feels like the only way to do something good in the game is to stop playing before he completely fucks things up.
Pretty much the entire cast of the Gears of War series, except for maybe Dom. They are all just a bunch of testosterone filled badasses who don't give a shit about anything other than having a man-off. That being said, Baird adds some depth to this, because I always saw Baird as the guy who is most obviously using the tough-guy attitude as a coping mechanism.
Samus from the Metroid series. Despite what you see on screen, she is entirely motivated some combination of money and revenge.
The Imperium of Man in Warhammer 40k. Basically the love child of Hitler, Stalin, Darth Sidious, Mao, the Pope, and the Department of Motor Vehicles, you have an ultra-tyrannical fascists space empire ruled by the church of Super Jesus and the red tape. And they are supposed to be the good guys, despite the fact that they would probably destroy all life on a planet because the population had too many people with red hair.
Pretty much the entire cast of the Gears of War series, except for maybe Dom. They are all just a bunch of testosterone filled badasses who don't give a shit about anything other than having a man-off. That being said, Baird adds some depth to this, because I always saw Baird as the guy who is most obviously using the tough-guy attitude as a coping mechanism.
Samus from the Metroid series. Despite what you see on screen, she is entirely motivated some combination of money and revenge.
The Imperium of Man in Warhammer 40k. Basically the love child of Hitler, Stalin, Darth Sidious, Mao, the Pope, and the Department of Motor Vehicles, you have an ultra-tyrannical fascists space empire ruled by the church of Super Jesus and the red tape. And they are supposed to be the good guys, despite the fact that they would probably destroy all life on a planet because the population had too many people with red hair.
Did we watch the same show?senordesol said:
Also, as Im sure its already been said, Ill say it anyways, Kratos.
But... most of those characters are villains/anti-heroes. Kratos isn't depicted as a "good guy". There is no "good guy" faction in Warhammer 40k. Those aren't assholes being depicted as "good guys". Those are assholes being depicted as assholes. You might as well mention Sauron.
Consider the OP's example: someone who is depicted as good and moral and right - and the developers think this, and they want you to think it. But his singular focus on his quest blinds him; by devoting all his energy to his crusade, he allows far greater pain and suffering that he could easily prevent.
That's different than "omnicidal maniac murders everyone".
Consider the OP's example: someone who is depicted as good and moral and right - and the developers think this, and they want you to think it. But his singular focus on his quest blinds him; by devoting all his energy to his crusade, he allows far greater pain and suffering that he could easily prevent.
That's different than "omnicidal maniac murders everyone".
Well at the end of Defiance it's kind of revealed that ultimately he's just trying to prevent the actual collapse of the pillars as fate dictated. He's just going about it in pretty much the worst possible way. But yeah in the blood omen and soul Reaver games he's really just a bad guy. I was basing my argument off the final game mostly.GunsmithKitten said:
I don't remember killing any immigrants in Max Payne 3. And, to be fair, his life does suck pretty hard.Andy of Comix Inc said:
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Trig0n said:
You're confusing "good guy" with "protagonist." Just because you play as them doesn't mean they aren't villains.regalphantom said:
Gutts from Berserk.
Seriously, that guy only made some friends because he lost a duel that might have as well made him a man-whore, then abandons said friends without ever saying a word and causes mental breakdown for one of them, practically creating the greatest evil that world has seen to date. And he literally keeps his girlfriend on a leash (adventurous vegetable that she is right now, but whatever). His current company consists of a fairy serving as first-aid kit, kid that decided to follow him around and gets training only to shut his mouth, a reformed holier-than-thou rich ***** which started as an abduction, her bodyguard/blood relative/lover(?) and a young witch following him around because of fate and stuff. Oh, and his girlfriend, but she doesn't do much aside from drooling and occasional "oooh".
And he enjoys killing pretty much anything that dares to oppose him, be it man, woman, child, undead, lesser demon, enormous demon or a Hand of God (how literal of a Gods servant that Hand is is still in question).
Seriously, that guy only made some friends because he lost a duel that might have as well made him a man-whore, then abandons said friends without ever saying a word and causes mental breakdown for one of them, practically creating the greatest evil that world has seen to date. And he literally keeps his girlfriend on a leash (adventurous vegetable that she is right now, but whatever). His current company consists of a fairy serving as first-aid kit, kid that decided to follow him around and gets training only to shut his mouth, a reformed holier-than-thou rich ***** which started as an abduction, her bodyguard/blood relative/lover(?) and a young witch following him around because of fate and stuff. Oh, and his girlfriend, but she doesn't do much aside from drooling and occasional "oooh".
And he enjoys killing pretty much anything that dares to oppose him, be it man, woman, child, undead, lesser demon, enormous demon or a Hand of God (how literal of a Gods servant that Hand is is still in question).
There is no explanation for what happened in the last episode of Season 1, absolutely nothing makes sense and all possible loose ends are tied in a span of 10 minutes in a fucking terrible manner, leaving plot holes the size of the MOON. It's almost sickening. Korra is a complete idiot - this I could've been fine with, after all eventually there had to be a really dumb Avatar at some point (they are human after all). But the number of plot holes is STAGGERING and all the humor and characther depth is missing.The Heik said:
It's basically a completely different anime trying to do a completely different thing. There is something seriously wrong if I watch an anime and my final verdict is "I don't care about this stupid *****, please just show me more flashbacks about the stories of Aang/Katara/Zuko/Sokka because those are 100x more interesting."
The show (so far) has failed to convince me to be interested in Korra, I continue to be vastly more interested in what happened 50-70 years BEFORE Korra. How absurd is that?
What's worse, the writers KNOW it and are using it to their advantage! They're releasing the old story in pieces and fragments, it's basically bait to keep watching the show as if they're saying "psst, next episode we might show you what happened to Zuko's mother! Now please watch Korra be more of an idiot as stuff gets resolved around her."
ROFLRule Britannia said:
did you miss the fact that yes they fight werewolves but they are a bunch of murdering a-hole bandits
the sliverhand are not as nice as the dawnguard they have murdered inocents and practice torture
no one in skyrim likes them later in the companion quest line they straight up attack HQ and the whiterun guards and civilians dont even give a fuck about the silver hand corpses lying around
(unlike say the bodys of hired thugs that may attack you if you steal in which they will pay attention to exclaming things like such a waste.. or what happend here?)
the sliverhand are not as nice as the dawnguard they have murdered inocents and practice torture
no one in skyrim likes them later in the companion quest line they straight up attack HQ and the whiterun guards and civilians dont even give a fuck about the silver hand corpses lying around
(unlike say the bodys of hired thugs that may attack you if you steal in which they will pay attention to exclaming things like such a waste.. or what happend here?)
if any one is a an a-hole its the entirety of the windhelm and Markarth guards
Did you even play Assassin's Creed? Assassins don't murder for "fun and profit", they murder for the good of humanity.Rainboq said:
I haven't played the first game in the series but I have played the other main three and those guards are or work for the Templars(who want to mind control the entire world) in Creed 2 and Brotherhood, and half the ones in Revelations are Templars. Also for the beggers while it was tempting to kill them the best solution is just run into them. And I know Ezio more or less declared war on the Templars so yeah it was war in his mind you tend do crazy shit in wars if it means your side wins.Rainboq said:
Bloodstain said:
Assuming they somehow knew that Freeman would even show up at all, waiting for him to get there STILL didn't make any sense. Think about it. The only way Freeman is able to escape Combine forces in the first place is because he's rescued by the Resistance. If they had wiped out the Resistance as soon as they had the teleport technology, Freeman would've gotten on the train to Nova Prospect and probably would've been killed before anyone even knew he had returned.
Besides, even if the Combine DID want to destroy Black Mesa East and Freeman at the same time, and assuming they knew the location of Black Mesa East prior to Freeman's arrival there...Why did they wait? If they knew where Freeman was and they knew where Black Mesa East was why did they wait for Freeman to arrive there before shelling it? They could've easily destroyed it while Freeman was still on his way down the Railroad....Unless they didn't know it's location until he led them there.