Hawking: It's Space Or Bust For Humanity

[jad4400]

I agree with Mr. Hawking, we as a species do need to move foreward into space. While I don't think we will be facing extinction any time soon do to wars (Unless someone unleashes the T-Virus), I do think it is neccesary for us as a species to move foreward into the stars. thats why when I'm elected President of the United States, I'm going to push for three things: Greater emphasis on expansion into space, a greater global unification (or make the U.N actually able to do stuff) and push for a bill which would outline how we recognize the rights of A.I's when they gain sapience.

 

[Blueruler182]

I think this all depends on how far along the aliens are. Their is no garentee they are more advanced then us just for the fact they are aliens. If we figure out how to travel the stars, we could find aliens above us in tech, we could find aliens that just discovered fire, and we could fine all sorts of stuff inbetween. Hopefully we would be smart enough to take an uninhabitted world, terraform it, and leave less advanced civilzations to develope alone.

Yeah, but Hawking was talking about aliens finding us in his other one, not the other way around. So, if they found us instead of us them, they're probably going to be more advanced than us. And if it's the other way around, odds are that they're not going to be too much of a threat.

North Korean space is best space!

Also..I'd agree on the Britain thing..simply 'cos i'm Scottish :3..and the record..we weren't world conquerors for nothing y'know!

I'm assuming North Korea air space will be just as dangerous in the foreseeable future as it is now. If they get space travel, god help us all.

And I have a steady rule of not screwing with a Scotsman, so you may be right there. I wouldn't mind Scottish leaders, but you've still got to beat Canada.

I have a steady rule of not screwing with anyone with a history of fightin' round the world..

so..yeah, everyone but Germany is fair game XD

Everyone but Germany... Rome... America... China... Greece... Persia... Russia, I believe... Britain...

Yeah, I'm Native. I figure I'll lose spectacularly in a fight and get benefits out of their guilt later on in life. I think ahead. Then again, Native American space would be pretty entertaining...

It would..reminds me of star trek voyager..when they come across a race of aliens..in a completely dark area of space..and..they attack anyone 'polluting' the space..

and i have no idea why...

We wouldn't attack them. We'd just shed manly tears.

And how does one pollute space? I don't think that's actually possible. What's it going to do, mess up the space air?

 

[Callate]

Nuclear armageddon is very low on my list of fears regarding the future of the human race right now. Which is not to say that pandemic, famine, pollution, asteroid, solar flare, or any of a number of other things couldn't also do the job...

 

[Xpwn3ntial]

Goddamnit, the year 2000 was supposed to be the future! Now they're saying that my great great grandchildren will be the ones living in the future >_>

Conventional thinking has failed me once again.

It's okay, it failed all of us at one point or another.
OT: I hope we have the beginnings of a colony on Mars by the end of this century. Come on, 90 years is a long time.

 

[AfroTree]

I think this all depends on how far along the aliens are. Their is no garentee they are more advanced then us just for the fact they are aliens. If we figure out how to travel the stars, we could find aliens above us in tech, we could find aliens that just discovered fire, and we could fine all sorts of stuff inbetween. Hopefully we would be smart enough to take an uninhabitted world, terraform it, and leave less advanced civilzations to develope alone.

Yeah, but Hawking was talking about aliens finding us in his other one, not the other way around. So, if they found us instead of us them, they're probably going to be more advanced than us. And if it's the other way around, odds are that they're not going to be too much of a threat.

North Korean space is best space!

Also..I'd agree on the Britain thing..simply 'cos i'm Scottish :3..and the record..we weren't world conquerors for nothing y'know!

I'm assuming North Korea air space will be just as dangerous in the foreseeable future as it is now. If they get space travel, god help us all.

And I have a steady rule of not screwing with a Scotsman, so you may be right there. I wouldn't mind Scottish leaders, but you've still got to beat Canada.

I have a steady rule of not screwing with anyone with a history of fightin' round the world..

so..yeah, everyone but Germany is fair game XD

Everyone but Germany... Rome... America... China... Greece... Persia... Russia, I believe... Britain...

Yeah, I'm Native. I figure I'll lose spectacularly in a fight and get benefits out of their guilt later on in life. I think ahead. Then again, Native American space would be pretty entertaining...

It would..reminds me of star trek voyager..when they come across a race of aliens..in a completely dark area of space..and..they attack anyone 'polluting' the space..

and i have no idea why...

We wouldn't attack them. We'd just shed manly tears.

And how does one pollute space? I don't think that's actually possible. What's it going to do, mess up the space air?

I have no idea...

Called it!* he stole my idea

*note, I did infact not not call it, but meh

OT: I thought this was common knowledge?..but hey at least someone might actually listen now ¬¬

Nah, there are some conflicting ideas to suggest that humanity needs to perfect itself socially first. Instead of exporting all of our problems to space.

I'm on the boat for space but perhaps the most efficient strategy would be to do both.

If anyone is curious, the exploration through which we would find other planets and map the galaxy is theorised to be through the use of robots.

You send out 100 robots, each of them programmed to find a planet, land, and then create a centre to develop 100 more robots (Obviously the numbers will be different of course, probably closer to the thousands or millions). The robots will find the planet, send back data to the HUB, whether that is Earth or the earthling's favourite colony/space station.

Then they build the new robots and send them out to all their own planets to repeat the process.

Then BOOM, map of galaxies. Human search teams will be highly unlikely except for immediate landing parties to set up colonies or anything.


Or so I've learned from Michio Kaku's theories, there will of course be other ones so his shouldn't be considered the only possible solution.

But, if you're interested in physics, Michio Kaku's books and speeches are a really great place to learn and they make it accessible to mostly anyone.

Damn... I sound like an ad...

That's all!

That doesn't bother me at all, aslo..that would be a lot easier than 'we' going to work out there XD

And take a LOT less time.

Agreed...also, can someone snip this..i'd screw up D:

 

[InnerRebellion]

The man is fucking brilliant, and I agree with him completely.

 

[Rigs83]

I like to bring up the late, great George Carlin.

Spoiler: We like War

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Sorry I did not realize this was uncensored.

 

[Rigs83]

I think this all depends on how far along the aliens are. Their is no garentee they are more advanced then us just for the fact they are aliens. If we figure out how to travel the stars, we could find aliens above us in tech, we could find aliens that just discovered fire, and we could fine all sorts of stuff inbetween. Hopefully we would be smart enough to take an uninhabitted world, terraform it, and leave less advanced civilzations to develope alone.

Yeah, but Hawking was talking about aliens finding us in his other one, not the other way around. So, if they found us instead of us them, they're probably going to be more advanced than us. And if it's the other way around, odds are that they're not going to be too much of a threat.

North Korean space is best space!

Also..I'd agree on the Britain thing..simply 'cos i'm Scottish :3..and the record..we weren't world conquerors for nothing y'know!

I'm assuming North Korea air space will be just as dangerous in the foreseeable future as it is now. If they get space travel, god help us all.

And I have a steady rule of not screwing with a Scotsman, so you may be right there. I wouldn't mind Scottish leaders, but you've still got to beat Canada.

I have a steady rule of not screwing with anyone with a history of fightin' round the world..

so..yeah, everyone but Germany is fair game XD

Everyone but Germany... Rome... America... China... Greece... Persia... Russia, I believe... Britain...

Yeah, I'm Native. I figure I'll lose spectacularly in a fight and get benefits out of their guilt later on in life. I think ahead. Then again, Native American space would be pretty entertaining...

It would..reminds me of star trek voyager..when they come across a race of aliens..in a completely dark area of space..and..they attack anyone 'polluting' the space..

and i have no idea why...

We wouldn't attack them. We'd just shed manly tears.

And how does one pollute space? I don't think that's actually possible. What's it going to do, mess up the space air?

Actually space is very polluted now.

Spoiler: It's a bit boring, long and British. Just warning ya.

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[Dogstile]

So basically he's predicting the film Titan AE, among other more noteworthy films that I have forgotten

Fun coincidence, i'm currently watching that.

But yeah, well done mr hawking's, or shall i call you by your secret identity...

CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!

(hehehehehe)

 

[Canid117]

On the main topic. Does Stephen Hawking realize that Humanity has been getting less and less standoffish in the past couple years with our weapons of mass destruction? Sure there are a few rouge states that could do some nasty damage but total nuclear annihilation seems unlikely. I'm afraid it isn't 1986 anymore steve.

things change very quickly

i could give you at least two plausible scenarios that would lead us down that road that you could quite easily read the beginnings of in a newspaper next week.

and im generally an optimist.

There is a difference between plausible and likely. I have faith in humanities ability to say "Maybe killing the other guy isn't worth it if we are all dead too."

 

[Rigs83]

This is very true. Even if we did find a way to survive in perfect harmony on Earth, the Sun won't last forever.

You realize the sun still has billions of years of life left in it right?

On the main topic. Does Stephen Hawking realize that Humanity has been getting less and less standoffish in the past couple years with our weapons of mass destruction? Sure there are a few rouge states that could do some nasty damage but total nuclear annihilation seems unlikely. I'm afraid it isn't 1986 anymore steve.

We were safer in 1986 because the only people with nukes had too much to lose if they launched them and started World War III.
China gave Pakistan, a known supporter of terrorist, nuclear technology [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction] and they helped North Korea with theirs. Kim Jong-Il has shown that he is more than willing to endanger the lives of his people to maintain power and actively tries to sell nuclear technology to states like Syria. In 1986 we knew which direction to keep an eye on now mushroom cloud can show up anywhere and we don't know if a state sent or a terrorist group did.

Today we are not sure where all the fissable material in the world is because of all the chaos following the collapse of the Soviet Union. Besides nukes I have seen documentaries showing smallpox samples being kept in a can of peaches in a padlocked refrigerator somewhere in Belarus and they only think it's the peaches because they forgot to label it to begin with!

 

[Blueruler182]

I think this all depends on how far along the aliens are. Their is no garentee they are more advanced then us just for the fact they are aliens. If we figure out how to travel the stars, we could find aliens above us in tech, we could find aliens that just discovered fire, and we could fine all sorts of stuff inbetween. Hopefully we would be smart enough to take an uninhabitted world, terraform it, and leave less advanced civilzations to develope alone.

Yeah, but Hawking was talking about aliens finding us in his other one, not the other way around. So, if they found us instead of us them, they're probably going to be more advanced than us. And if it's the other way around, odds are that they're not going to be too much of a threat.

North Korean space is best space!

Also..I'd agree on the Britain thing..simply 'cos i'm Scottish :3..and the record..we weren't world conquerors for nothing y'know!

I'm assuming North Korea air space will be just as dangerous in the foreseeable future as it is now. If they get space travel, god help us all.

And I have a steady rule of not screwing with a Scotsman, so you may be right there. I wouldn't mind Scottish leaders, but you've still got to beat Canada.

I have a steady rule of not screwing with anyone with a history of fightin' round the world..

so..yeah, everyone but Germany is fair game XD

Everyone but Germany... Rome... America... China... Greece... Persia... Russia, I believe... Britain...

Yeah, I'm Native. I figure I'll lose spectacularly in a fight and get benefits out of their guilt later on in life. I think ahead. Then again, Native American space would be pretty entertaining...

It would..reminds me of star trek voyager..when they come across a race of aliens..in a completely dark area of space..and..they attack anyone 'polluting' the space..

and i have no idea why...

We wouldn't attack them. We'd just shed manly tears.

And how does one pollute space? I don't think that's actually possible. What's it going to do, mess up the space air?

Actually space is very polluted now.

Spoiler: It's a bit boring, long and British. Just warning ya.

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Due to my being too bored to actually finish the video, you win the argument. But I don't really count debris in space as pollutants simply because it's not like it's actually going to cover space. It's got an infinite amount of space to cover, so there's no real risk of negative ramifications, unless a satellite hits a planet. I look forward to finding a planet where that's happened though. See everyone go over the top about finding alien tech before finding the McDonald's brand on the side.

 

[Canid117]

We were safer in 1986 because the only people with nukes had too much to lose if they launched them and started World War III.
China gave Pakistan, a known supporter of terrorist, nuclear technology [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction] and they helped North Korea with theirs. Kim Jong-Il has shown that he is more than willing to endanger the lives of his people to maintain power and actively tries to sell nuclear technology to states like Syria. In 1986 we knew which direction to keep an eye on now mushroom cloud can show up anywhere and we don't know if a state sent or a terrorist group did.

Today we are not sure where all the fissable material in the world is because of all the chaos following the collapse of the Soviet Union. Besides nukes I have seen documentaries showing smallpox samples being kept in a can of peaches in a padlocked refrigerator somewhere in Belarus and they only think it's the peaches because they forgot to label it to begin with!

While Rouge states like North Korea could potentially do a horrible amount of damage they could not destroy the world and neither would a nuclear response from whichever nation they attacked. None of the countries with sufficient nuclear arms to trigger Armageddon would be willing to step in to defend a small rouge nation stupid enough to get themselves annihilated via liberal use of their small nuclear stockpiles.

 

[Bibliotekaren]

I agree with him, but it's probable that even if we do survive that long, that we'll just end building bigger bombs and fighting over the planets in a similar fashion, only with entire warring worlds instead of nations. Mutually assured destruction is still a possibility. We seem to enjoy fighting amongst ourselves like that.

Oh please. Where would the gain be in that? Wars and the devestation of wars has gone down immensely throughout human history (look up Steven Pinker), because people figure out that "Hey, this isn't beneficial at all". Conflict is about selfishness, derived from the human genetic configuration to survive and thrive. If there comes a point where total world annihilation becomes a distinct possibility, odds are that people will want to survive instead of blowing themselves up.
Unless an absolute lunatic with no regard for neither his own nor other people's survival is given free use of weapons of mass destruction on a planetary scale, the chance is virtually non-existant and declining.

I would also suspect that the level of irrigation technology will be advanced enough too sustain and rebuild life on this planet than it would be to discover a way to travel at the necessary speeds for the interstellar travel required to find another planet capable of sustaining the life developed on and for Earth.
It would probably even be easier to create livable conditions on other Sol system planets.

 

[Evil mr dave]

Reading this has actually made me a little sad. I love science fiction, the prospect of going off into the unknown and discovering new places and potencially civilitaions is an incredibal prospect. But knowing that not only will i not get to live this out, but my great, great grand children might not be able to because we have nuked our selves into oblivian by then. it looks like not only will I not be able to live out my dream of being a space Marine, droping from orbit to some god-forsaken world to storm alien keeps and claim glory for our race, but my great great grand children won't be able to either. O'well, at least they'll get to live out a post-apocalypric senario, that might be cool...

 

[TheSapphireKnight]

This is very true. Even if we did find a way to survive in perfect harmony on Earth, the Sun won't last forever.

You realize the sun still has billions of years of life left in it right?

On the main topic. Does Stephen Hawking realize that Humanity has been getting less and less standoffish in the past couple years with our weapons of mass destruction? Sure there are a few rouge states that could do some nasty damage but total nuclear annihilation seems unlikely. I'm afraid it isn't 1986 anymore steve.

Jesus Christ, I know. I don't think you people are getting my point. I was simply agreeing that it truly is Space or Bust for Humanity. EVEN IF we didn't nuke ourselves into oblivion. EVEN IF we managed to live in peace. I understand the Sun can maintain itself for BILLIONS of years still. No matter what happens in the hundreds or thousands or millions of years, for the survival of the species and life on Earth we would have to leave eventually.

 

[13lackfriday]

We need to develop Futurama's brain-jar technology so we can preserve this man so that he may continue to shepherd the human race through the eons with his wise counsel.

 

[Double A]

Holy crap, I thought of something before Stephen Hawking!