Is porn sexist? Yes, but so what?

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peruvianskys said:
I'm a man and I enjoy sex. I enjoy mutually satisfactory, consensual, and respectful sex, which is the kind you will never ever come across in pornography.
I just wanted to pick this out and say how wrong you are. What about all the couples that create their own porn videos and distribute it on the Internet, what about all the porn sites and porn directors that make videos about nothing but sensual loving sex. You obviously have not taken the time to look at the different kinds of porn.
I watch porn and the majority of what I watch is either couples having sex or professional sensual, respectful, fulfilling love making.
 

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Father Time said:
Film yourself masturbating and congratulations you've just made porn. Where's the sexism in that?
Well, I have a penis and only males have penises so a penis is sexist. Checkmate !!!!!!! =P

But yeah, porn in itself isn't really sexist. I think men watch more porn than women and a larger percentage of men have a "man-power" fantasy when it comes to sex, so it's logical that they'll be targeted. But all the actresses and actors are consenting. Whether or not the industry is sexist, I don't know. Can somebody explain that to me ? I was under the impression that women were paid more.
 

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Nantucket said:
After the success of 50 Shades of Grey I think it is safe to say women would rather 'read porn' than 'watch porn'. I suppose people wouldn't know what you were up to at a glance?
There have been suggestions made by a few people that sex is more psychological for women than it is for men. Men tend to just look for visual and tactile stimulation, whilst women often need to use their imaginations. Which would support the real-world observation that men prefer video and photo porn, whilst women prefer literature.

50 Shades of Grey is nothing new. Mills and Boon has been making a killing out of selling porn to women for years.
 

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Well considering sexism is discrimination based on gender then porn is only sexist in the sense that the male is often given little attention or appreciation in porn so it is sexist toward the male participant.

But in all seriousness porn is not sexist, it can't be sexist. Barring the very unlikely chance that a porno is made with a non-consenting participant or that a certain gender isn't allow to view porn then there is no argument to be made here.

PS: As an asexual male I still thoroughly enjoy porn. Asexuality is a lack of attraction to a gender so it is still possible to enjoy mental stimulation.
 

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MeChaNiZ3D said:
Could someone please TELL me what the 'actual definition' of sexist is? Because honestly I haven't seen one yet, and the OP seems to know what it is.
The OED defines sexism as "prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex". So I suppose the OP is arguing that a lot of porn aimed at straight men is guilty of stereotyping women.

MeChaNiZ3D said:
I don't think porn is sexist.
In general, I agree. I think there is porn out there that is sexist. There's also porn out there that's racist, ageist, homophobic, and anti-semitic. There is a lot of pornographic content in the world, catering to a lot of different tastes. Some of it is not very nice. Some of it is actually illegal to possess.

But - taken as a general concept - I see nothing sexist about a photo, film or book that depicts an obvious fantasy. In the same way that I see nothing amoral about creating books and films that contain glorified or humorous depictions of violence. We can cheer at James Bond shooting bad guys, because we are (mostly) normal human beings who can make a distinction between a real and fictional world.
 

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I guess it really depends on the porn. I would say straight porn can be pretty sexiest towards women, though I would like to point out that not every man is hell bent to have sex with every woman he comes into contact with.

Gay porn doesn't seem to have a sexiest problem it has a discrimination problem. Seriously, every gay guy does not talk like that.

I do not know enough lesbians to really have an opinion on lesbian porn.

Also, I would be interested to know how bad womens' porn nov... er I mean "Romance novels" are. Do they convey men as sex-aholics? Submissive boys driven to pleasure? -shrug- I have no idea, its a complete mystery.

My point is if we are to judge something like porn we should judge all of it not just a piece of it.
 

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Let people do what they want, I see no problem in that applied to consensual sex performed on camera. Same reason why I hate religious nutjobs who force their views through laws and other avenues.
 

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Blood Brain Barrier said:
I don't understand the objection to sexism anyway. Nothing wrong with treating people differently who are, you know, different.
That's just not what sexism is. Its treating people worse, not differently. Yes, men and women are different. No, women are not inferior.

OT: Here's what I see as the "sexism" issue in porn. Yeah, porn is kinda sexist: the vast majority of porn is a guy having sex with a girl like she's an object and she loves him for it. Its unrealistic, its stupid, but it gets us off so we don't mind. I see no problem with that; porn is just a jerk off tool.

The problem comes when people fail to realize that porn is not real. And this is a real issue. A lot of guys I've met don't understand that women are not objects and that every girl is not dying to have sex with you. This is the sexist ideal that porn teaches, and people believe it.

So yes, I think porn is sexist, no, I don't think we should get rid of porn, but I do think its a sexism that we should be aware of.
I feel like that is more a cultural problem unrelated to pornography. But then again, I watch a lot of femdom.
 

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peruvianskys said:
Honest question: how does porn (negatively) affect 'larger male culture'? Could you give some clear definitions and/or description of this process? At this point I get the impression you're playing a normative language game, if not committing a clear is-ought fallacy where porn is bad because it is bad.
 

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NightowlM said:
Acrisius said:
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I like how legal porn is sometimes called out on being degrading to women when said women are consenting adults who made their choice to get plowed on film so I don't really see where the argument is coming from. Nobody is forcing the women or men to fuck on camera.

That said, there is a lot of forced pornography in third world countries that should really be stopped. Sex trade and what have you
According to feminist theory, any time a woman does something that's bad for her (according to feminsts) willingly, she's actually just brainwashed and controlled by the patriarchy and society. Basically, according to feminists, you're either part of the problem, feminist yourself, or you're incapable of having your own valid opinion. Ergo, a woman doing consensual and legal porn is a victim of society and the patriarchy, NOT a legal adult capable of making her own choices. So porn will always be sexist, UNLESS you somehow make it "feminist". This actually exists, "feminist porn", but I have no idea what it is or how it's different. Nor do I really care, but imagine it's like sprinkling sugar on a turd and calling it cake. The presentation might be different, but it's still the same shit.

Also FYI it's not exactly a secret that men respond more to visual stimuli than women. That explains a lot.
You could not be more wrong. And we can really trust someone that hates feminism to discuss feminist theory.

I mean it's not like porn in the feminist community is a huge debate with a plethora of different takes on it, or anything. There's no real consensus because it's such a complicated issue. So just because you cherrypick the extremist views and distort them to suit your own purposes doesn't mean that feminism is all anti-sex/anti-porn.
I like this post, God, I do. On almost every subject pertaining sexism, whether malicious or benign, if it's on the internet (especially on gamer sites), you'll get people defaming "those wacky feminist". Do you know what "feminism" is? If not, look it up.
 

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In the porn "industry", women pretty much control it. So it cannot be sexist IMO if the people being "victimized" actually run the damn thing.

The women in porn get paid up to 10x as much as the men do, stay in the industry longer, and if you asked any of them, they'd likely tell you they LOVE what they do.

They set their own rules as well, they don't like anal? Don't have to do it. Don't wanna do scenes with any men? Don't have to. Don't like gang bangs? You get where this is going.

Ask Jenna Haze. She is a huge name in the industry (and really really hot), she got a boyfriend she was into...straight up stopped doing scenes with men for him. It kinda hurt her career, as she made less money as a result...but she still did it.

Anyway, short answer: No. Not unless you are referring to the way the men in porn are treated, which is actually kinda bad...but then again, its INCREDIBLY easy to find a dude with a decent size dick who wants to bang hot chicks all day, so I guess it doesn't surprise me.

Women are typically objectified IN the porn, but they sign off on that as well, obviously, so again, no.
 

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...50000000...
You know, I was kinda curious exactly how long this is.

Comes out to 789 miles, or 1270 kilometers (with rounding).

But oh no, my brain hates me and is showing no signs of slowing down, so let's figure volume. Assuming, oh say, 5" circumference, that'd be a volume of 1570 cubic miles.

With cursoury research, an average person has ~5.6L of blood in their body. You'd need to kill, like, 41.9 million people to get enough blood to fill that volume. Though, if we're being honest, we don't need to kill that many people, since I really doubt most of the volume of a dick comes from blood. Still, blood for the blood god, so I doubt the extra killing wouldn't be appreciated.

Now to figure out what percentage of -- NO. STOP BRAIN. NO MORE THINKING ABOUT IDIOTIC THINGS.

I've thought WAY the fuck too much about this already, so I'm not gonna figure out how much blood you really need. I'm probably on a government watchlist for Gooling "volume of blood in human body" now, so yeah.

Good times.

*Edges out of the room*

Wonder how off my math is.
 

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As someone who has done more looking around on the internet than I probably should have, I can safely say that porn is aimed at everyone. EVERYONE!
 

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Acrisius said:
But I get it, it's always the same. Either you're positive about feminism or you're wrong about it, because there's no way to criticize it. And if there IS, well then it's the wrong kind of feminism that you're criticizing, not the "proper" one. It's like I said, either you're with feminism or you're part of the problem, and you don't know what you're talking about. And any issues or skepticism you might have about it is not about the REAL feminists, it's about those OTHER, more radical ones.
This is the thing about social justice; there is no middle ground. What feminism needs to fight against to succeed isn't the perpetrators at the far end, but its perception in the eyes of the apathetic public, if it needs to fight at all.
Martin Luther King Jr. understood this.
http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

"I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection." - Martin Luther King, "Letter From Birmingham Jail"

Please note that I'm not ascribing all of these faults of the white moderate in the paragraph in feminist flavor to you, Acrisius.