Is porn sexist? Yes, but so what?

[Calibanbutcher]

...50000000...

You know, I was kinda curious exactly how long this is.

Comes out to 789 miles, or 1270 kilometers (with rounding).

But oh no, my brain hates me and is showing no signs of slowing down, so let's figure volume. Assuming, oh say, 5" circumference, that'd be a volume of 1570 cubic miles.

With cursoury research, an average person has ~5.6L of blood in their body. You'd need to kill, like, 41.9 million people to get enough blood to fill that volume. Though, if we're being honest, we don't need to kill that many people, since I really doubt most of the volume of a dick comes from blood. Still, blood for the blood god, so I doubt the extra killing wouldn't be appreciated.

Now to figure out what percentage of -- NO. STOP BRAIN. NO MORE THINKING ABOUT IDIOTIC THINGS.

I've thought WAY the fuck too much about this already, so I'm not gonna figure out how much blood you really need. I'm probably on a government watchlist for Gooling "volume of blood in human body" now, so yeah.

Good times.

*Edges out of the room*

Wonder how off my math is.

Well, first of all, we would need to find out if he has a "blood-type penis" or a "flesh-type".
Blood types get most of their volume from the blood and the blood pressure, which is why they can seem very small when flacid and grow to towering monsters of hardness when erect.
Flesh penisses are get most of their volume from the flesh on them, so they don't grow as much as blood-types and they allegedly do not get as hard.

And an erection is achieved by pumping blood into the penis and trapping it there, which means, that in order to get a 50000000 inch penis erect, you also need a gargantuan heart. And seeing as a normal human heart manages to circulate the entirety of the blood in the human body through said body per minute, the guy would need a huge heart. And since he would have ca. 234.640.000 l of blood, his heart would have to be ca. 41 900 000 times bigger than the average human heart and weigh about as much. Seeing as one assumes a normal heart to be about as big as a clenched fist, his heart would be 41 900 000 times that and it would weigh 41 900 000 x 310g, so it would weigh 12.989.000 kg.
Now, we could go on about how big the guy would have to be, and how much this would then further increase the blood volume (the heart needs blood as well, so that would already add a lot to the 234.640.000 litres.

 

[DANEgerous]

To be honest the whole debate is started in finished in the first post. "Porn is sexist, but it is fantasy so who give a shit?" Yes but you only think that way because you are not an idiot an know porn is if fact fantasy. People who think porn is the ban of all life are talking about A) Human trafficking into porn but the again the core problem is just human trafficking even if porn does make demand for it or more commonly they think porn is literally what a person want to do sexually and for the most part it is not, it is in fact just fantasy.

 

[corvuscorrax]

Here, have some asexual pron everyone...
Because someone asked:

Oh god that made my day thank you.

"Hey we live like 10 miles from here!"

"Shoulda thought about that before what you did!"

"F**k you!"

"Eff you for disrespectin my marriage!"

 

[omega 616]

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Never have been good at pointing my across in a friendly manner, I always seem to be perceived as an aggressive dick. It's something I try to work on but it isn't easy.

On topic. I read up to your first link ... then realized there was way more text than I originally thought. I am not that into this discussion to be reading sources and articles.

Just if a woman wants to be in porn then why should somebody enforce there morals on them and tell them how there being treated.

If a woman has a bad experience, like a porn shoot becomes recorded rape she can take whatever legal action she likes and never do porn again. Could the fact her porno turned into a rape effect future relationships? Probably. Could the fact she chose to do porn effect future relationships? Almost definitely!

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

I would not hold up Japan as a culture to admire though.

Oh, I'm not. Believe me. I was merely saying that Japan has a successful porn industry focused on pleasing women: Yaoi. The point being that it is possible to have porn that is specifically made for and enjoyed by women.

Many European countries on the other hand are commendable. Not only do they have legalized industries for "sex workers", many prostitutes and porn stars are given full benefits and labor rights, including things like unions. I've seen documentaries and news reports on brothels that honestly seem upstanding, where the women truly enjoy their work.

Indeed. I am a big proponent for legalizing and regulating prostitution in the USA. Prostitutes should be able to go to work without being shamed, and work in a safe environment without being forced into labor or threatened with violence.

 

[zehydra]

The male sexual mind itself is sexist. To satisfy this thing, sexist material is created.

You cannot say that pornography is bad without saying that male sexual desire is bad. Unless you're talking about addiction to porn or something along those lines.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

That was my mistake. I should have said something along the lines of what you said. I must have been misinformed about that.

My list was not meant to be exhaustive, and that point about women behind the helm on projects is a great point that I must have missed. I was just giving my impression of what things would be important in sex-positive, feminist porn but it's been awhile since I've read up on the subject.

Oh, don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with showing birth control. It is certainly better than the opposite - "surprise creampie" porn, which is a particularly unpleasant subgenre. That's just awful and disgusting.

But my personal favorite is, as you put it, "woman behind the helm" - porn directed and produced by women.

I'd still like to see more porn targeted at women, but that is both an industry issue and a cultural issue (in the USA anyway). But that's another post.

 

[TKretts3]

The type of porn I watch forbids women from participating.
How sexist.

 

[Prosis]

Porn itself is neutral. But I think a lot of people take it the wrong way. They see it and think, "I wish I was that guy." They view women as conquests.

Consensual porn is good. But not all of it is consensual. Sex trade is one of the largest international crimes (weapons being the biggest, followed by sex trade or drugs, don't remember), and it is difficult to tell if the girl is participating consensually, or out of fear of the consequences. Professional porn, sure, that's probably clean(legally speaking). But there's a lot of porn out there, and I shudder to consider the lives of those people who are forced into their positions.

 

[peruvianskys]

I could say as much about cosmetics, clothing, music, movies, television (just watch Fox news for a day), most service jobs where women specifically gravitate to for employment, periodicals, even food.

Um, yes...you could, and you'd be right.

Pornography exists to render women as disembodied cunts or tits or ass instead of human beings with which one can enter into a mutual, respectful relationship with.

No really, have you ever seen a music video including those starring female singers?

Actually you have that backward, as it's not exactly uncommon knowledge that women are more likely to perpetrate violence against men (both physical and sexual abuse).

Actually, that is not common knowledge - or, if it is, it is untrue common knowledge that does not reflect reality.

Also, in most mainstream media depictions violence, including sexual violence, against men are broadly more predominant.

That isn't true - it only appears that way because you write off the mountainous piles of sexually violent material directed at women. You're skewing your own data with your preconditioned blindness.

What else would men masturbate to? That?s exactly what I?m talking about: it?s not made to be thought about. It?s made for you to whack off to. It's just a source of entertainment, no more harmful than the '80s violent action films that made stars out of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Bruce Willis. I could say a similar thing about them promoting violence to young men, existing to do nothing more than titillate their fantasies of wreaking violence on their peers, especially those that had bullied them, and subsequently sending the message than violence and using your fists to solve any problem is okay, because you'll be seen by all as a hero by the end of it anyway.

And...you'd be right? Good job!

Porn is dangerous because men don't think about it. They take in the assumptions, the messages about female sexuality and agency, without thinking about them. That's the problem. If you analyzed pornography deeper than its ability to make you cum, you'd see the shit just below the surface.

See, it works both ways. But if you seriously believe that "PORN IS A BAD THING, CENSOR ALL TEH PORN TO PROTECT OUR KIDDIES", then I don't have much to say to you either, because you don't know much about porn or sexuality in general, for that matter. I mean, you act as if these women didn?t, you know, agree to be filmed being ?degraded by men? in the first place. Don?t give me that ?internalized misogyny? crap, because there?s only a minority of men that actually have some kind of strong desire to abuse women and treat them as sex objects in real-life. Do you listen to yourself speak (or type)?

Please find the statement I made regarding my desires to make porn illegal. I never said I wanted to because I don't. You can think something is shitty and still recognize the rights of those involved to do so.

I also like how you seem to leave out the fact that, while porn is primarily aimed at men, ?man fucks woman? isn?t the only type of porn there is. It?s just the prevalent mainstream one. That shows more of your ignorance to the world of sex and porn. I mean, you know a lot of men actually like dominant women, with many preferring them to the submissive li?l darlings that were all the rage in the 1950s?

Yes, many men do like it when a woman is paid to sexually fulfill them in non-standard ways. It doesn't mean it changes the primary message - that sex exists for male pleasure and that a woman is a tool for it.

You?re basically prejudicing all those men who indulge in these fantasies as being a bunch of woman-haters, subconsciously or not. I?m sorry, but that?s bullshit, and you?re just jumping to conclusions without any actual research on the subject. ?Illegitimate?? Do you really have any authority to class anyone?s fantasies as ?illegitimate?? Have you ever actually talked to any of these men?

There has been research done on the subject. I encourage you to read the writings of Derrick Jensen, Catharine MacKinnon, Robin Morgan, Diana Russell, Alice Schwarzer, Gail Dines, and Robert Jensen.

So, to conclude, your argument is similar to the ?video games cause violence? one, which is based on zero factual evidence or studies made to support this argument. This is all from your own prejudices about gender, so if anything, you?re the sexist/misogynistic one, not me, since you apparently completely ignore what the woman in question has to say about this.

Man are you intent on ignoring what I have said? I did not say that pornography causes rape. Try reading deeper please.

 

[Icehearted]

Also, in most mainstream media depictions violence, including sexual violence, against men are broadly more predominant.

That isn't true - it only appears that way because you write off the mountainous piles of sexually violent material directed at women. You're skewing your own data with your preconditioned blindness.

Really? You're really going to stand your ground on this?

*sigh*

Watch the trailer for Just Married. I can wait... go on, watch it....

...Oh, you've returned? Notice how Ashton took painful hits to his testicles for COMEDIC purposes? Yeah? Find me a movie that uses unwelcome violent and painful penetration against women for humor. I'll wait, and while you look for just one mainstream example, I'll leave you with a few more from my side of this discussion:

America's Funniest Home Videos: nutshots
YouTube: nutshots
Back to the Future 2: woman inflicts painful nutgrab for comedy
Metal Gear Solid 2: nutshots
Soul Caliber Series: nutshots
John Woo's Stranglehold: Testikill
Planet Terror: melting testicles
Steven Seagal action films of the 90s: nutshots, nutgrapples, occasional other nut-destructions
Recent Piranha movie: half a minute of fish eating a penis


And those are just the sexual ones, and only what comes to mind in a half-sleepy daze. Find a mainstream anything that uses forceful and painful penetration against women for entertainment yet?

As for the other kinds of violence, mostly men. TV, music, video games, men are hacked to pieces, blown up, set on fire, riddled with bullets, hurled through walls, jettisoned into space, dismembered, drowned, wood chippers and meat grinders, predominantly and a great deal more so than women. Even television commercials depict women in favorable positions over men, and men are relegated to bumbling stooges fit only for comic relief or demonstrating how inept having a penis automatically makes you.

Not saying it doesn't happen to women, as your quoting me already states.

Funny how my, how did you put it, "preconditioned blindness", looks awful factual(and cited).

Ball's in your court, cupcake. My advice; quit while I'm ahead.