Jimquisition: Go Fish

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I.Muir

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Phil Fish is an obnoxious douche-bag and the only reason he needs to grow up is because he acts like a child.
That being said it's sad how immature the gaming community is in general and the level of abuse is absolutely insane.
It's going to 4chan that you need a thick skin for because you can just leave.
 

thebakedpotato

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Deathfish15 said:
Should that guy get fired?
An interesting question. The answer is a resounding no. This kind of shit isn't new to journalism. And if we want games journalism to be anything more than another advertising arm, we have to deal with a few muck rakers.
 

Lono Shrugged

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My favorite critics are the ones I can disagree strongly with but still respect where they are coming from. Purely because it is out of an honest passion for the subject. It's great to argue a point with someone who's opinion you respect. Once I got to "know" Jim I felt that. I don't always agree, but I know it comes from a good place cos he seems like a genuinely nice guy who is not talking shit and whipping up flame wars for views.
 

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I agree with many, that this show has been one of the better ones; what's with the pictures of children in costumes anyway?
Although I don't entirely agree with Jim, I think this episode helps to see the other side of the story.
 

Rebel_Raven

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Yeah, I gotta agree with Jim on this in general. If enough people treat a person like a monster long enough, guess what? They become a monster. Even if it's just briefly. If it persists, then the status of "monster" might last longer, and longer.
The bad people out there? They'll likely just get worse.

Kinda reminded of a line from Frankenstein:
"Everywhere I see bliss, from which I am irrevocably excluded. I was benevolent and good; misery made me a fiend. Make me happy, and I shall again be virtuous."
Bear in mind I'm not talking about anyone in specefic here, but I'm just reminded of it.

Yeah, a person might bring some ire on to them, but well, you gotta take what you dish out even if the person deserves it in your opnion. If they snap at you, and you provoked them, then it's your fault. You are part of the problem.

If a person can't or isn't allowed to vent, and/or fight back enough, guess what? It builds and builds, and they do something rash.

I'm not saying coddle everyone, but basically what Jim's message is in this video.

Also, Thank God for Jim. I appreciate what Jim says, and the effort he puts into it.
 

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The thing with Phil Fish is that he doesn't just fight back, sometimes he starts fights like that whole Japanese games suck thing.

And yeah, a person can only take so much abuse before snapping, but it's not hard to imagine that the process was sped up incredibly by the abrasive things he's said so that much at least is his own fault.
 

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Thank god for you Jim! Both your persona, and your personal self!

Refreshing to see you unscripted, and rather interesting to see you talk about something that obviously also is a personal thing.

A /tip of the hat to you and a pat on the back for your good work. No need to be so modest ;)
 

Mister Chippy

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Fish is kinda an asshole, but because of that it's ok to be an even bigger asshole to him?

Why is the hypocrisy of that lost on so many people?
 

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I was not looking forward to hearing a faux-smug opinion from Jim, and so I'm glad that you did this unscripted and sympathetic. You did good, Jim.
 

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Jim, I love your unscripted episodes. There is a rawness about them that really works, especially when talking about things that have affected you personally.
 

Jimothy Sterling

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Deathfish15 said:
Jimothy Sterling said:
Go Fish

In this extra episode, Jimquisition lends a rambling mouth to the controversy surrounding Phil Fish and his dramatic exit from the videogame world.

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Got to ask, since you're on the side of Fish,:
Do you feel that the GameTrailer guy's comments (about Fish being a "blowfish") were beyond unprofessional? Do you think that him personally attacking a video game developer, the people that make his job even possible, is something that should be taken serious?
I think what I'm getting at is: Should that guy get fired?



I can understand someone saying a game is poorly made. I even understand when pointing out that developers like the guy behind The War Z are nothing but crooks [when obviously warranted]. But that's the line. To personally attack a developer for no other reason than to be a pompous asshole is to basically no longer be a reporter about video games or the industry; instead he's turned troll. And I personally think the best way to kill a troll is by fire...
I specifically said in the video I *wasn't* taking sides. This was purely about the assertion that Phil is weak or thin-skinned for leaving the industry. It wasn't about him vs. Marcus. I like the pair of them.

I think Marcus misstepped when he turned a criticism of Blow/Fish's attitudes into personal insults. I think Phil misstepped when he reacted to it the way he did. I think the pair of them wasted what could have been a lovely Saturday making each other and themselves feel bad, and I hope they both continue to do the things they love, with less of the things they hate.
 

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Well, if he decided to leave, maybe that's the best path he have to choose, being an asshole or not. He can decide to go back if he have the desire to make the things he love. Also, he probably should leave Twitter or any other social sites for a while and start repairing the things he have broke before. I probably feels off when Phil Fish start to bash the Japanese developer (even though I kinda agree with him for obvious reasons), but those kinds of words shouldn't have been spoken in the first place, especially if you don't want to provoke people on hating you because that is the result of arrogance.

If he can keep himself together, maybe he received a comeback after making a full measured decision. A better individual, if you will.
 

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Anytime Jim does an extra episode, it's like Christmas. Thank God for Jim!

I can't say that I am too familiar with the man or the events that Jim just described. However, I hate every time I hear that people are issuing death threats to anyone. Be it crappy musicians, politicians, or people of controversy, there is no need for that sort of garbage. And the fact that Jim just implied that he gets that EVERYDAY makes me realize how little I want to be some "in the public eye" individual with a Twitter account.

I mean, doesn't Jim have it bad enough with the paparazzi following him everywhere?
 

SilverUchiha

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I agree with you on most of this Jim. The fact Fish tried to fight back against people on the internet was not a great move on his part. But the problem I have with the whole issue isn't so much that he's quitting or that he fought back. But it's just how far he takes things when he decides to make a comment. He's someone who I think needs some quality PR around to keep him from putting his foot in his mouth as much as he does. I'm not against people in his position having controversial opinions I disagree with, I think there are many who don't mind Cliffy B existing despite his opinions not always been in line with theirs. But telling someone who you arguing with online to "go kill yourself" is a step over the line for me. Sure, he hit his breaking point, and I don't condone him for lashing out when he reached said point. And given that he may have gotten some harsh comments from various people, perhaps even to that degree, in the end, he stooped to their level and, in a sense, became one of those horrible commentors himself. And, as you said, it was a fight he wasn't going to win. And in that sense, not only was he guaranteed the worse outcome, but he looks worse for having done so.

All that said, a break from all of it is probably what he needed most. With some time away and some ability to clear his head, he'll hopefully return with a drive to make more games regardless of who tries to knock him down. Until then, if we need game devs with personality, we still have Cliffy B... and Suda... and Kojima... And Newell. And I'm sure there's more.
 

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bringer of illumination said:
What a load of shit. Being trained in how to deal with the media is by no means a requirement for making games. There is no reason for a indie dev to be held to a higher standard when his occupation is making games. Fish is only human, why should he be required to take the high road when so many other people don't take it? Is it okay for thousands of random people to constantly throws shit and bully someone simply because they're not public people?

Yes when the storm is to big to overcome one should back down, but when the storm follows you around everywhere you go whats the point? one can only take so many rainy days before one starts yelling at the clouds. I'm pretty sure you've done that at some point, it's not going to help, the sky is not listening, but at least it takes out some frustration.

I don't think Fish stuck with twitter just to spite the haters, he used it just like everyone else, because he wanted. The hate came with the package, and he managed to live with that for quite a while. And you don't want to ignore and look away from everything people say to you, we humans want to know what others think of us, what they say to us and about us. Even if we know it's all negative stuff we still read most of it, because that's how we work.

And he was aggressive, yeah I get that and I too think he should have calmed down. But so what? there's a lot of mindless hate and shit on the internet. If the masses is replying with the same coin maybe they too need some thicker skin?

I'm not gonna address your whole Will Smith thing because Will Smith is an actor in a completely different business who is experienced with the media and he has had training in how to respond to the media.

And I don't think death threats makes people scared that boogeymen from the internet will come and kill them. it's the knowledge that people out there want you, your friends and your family, dead that gets you. It's not a nice feeling when people you don't know want you dead for trivial reasons.

I'm gonna close of with a disclaimer here:
Of course I think Fish could and should have handled this better. He should have taken the high road and not replied to any hate, not because he is a public person but because acting like a prick isn't cool. I think it's wrong for him to call foul when he too is playing rough. However I don't blame him, receiving hate mail is a bigger deal than what people who hasn't gotten any might think. I have been in a position where I got a lot of shit thrown my way, to a muuuuuch smaller degree than Fish, but it is still a very unpleasant situation to be in.
 

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SonicWaffle said:
Just "try to remember that the person you're sending death threats to has probably had a pretty rough day"
It is horrible that such a statement is true, it actually makes me a little sick in the stomach that such a thing has to be said.
 

Canadamus Prime

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So it's a case of death of a thousand twats [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathOfAThousandCuts] then? WARNING: TVtropes link.
 

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I'm not a fan of you Jim. But I did like this show and the honesty / lack of spin of this episode. A lot.