Ken Levine: The Future of Gaming Is In the PC

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Get those PC balls out of your mouth and play some fuckin sf4 online on the ps/xbox. Future of gaming my arse..

SF4 is already on pc tyvm.

Hardly the same, but hey whatever blows your hair back.

How is it hardly the same? You can connect any wired version of a console controller to a PC and there is also a wide variety of third party pads and I am sure there are arcade sticks(I personally haven't looked). It is also the same game with the exact same content I fail to see how it is hardly the same.

 

[RIOgreatescapist]

I grew up playing consoles with friends and got acquainted with the piece of technology known as pc many years later. Nowadays theres a very distinct line for me when it comes to pc gaming and console gaming, however I'm not aware of what may have caused this but if you're so clinged to your pc that you cannot even aknowledge consoles by their true value, I just feel sorry for you.
Consoles where made for gaming, computers weren't.

 

[Plazmatic]

The answer is very simple: where does games on consoles are made from? PC's !

What's the only platform that delivers Mods for FREE: PC's !

i don't need to go further...

What's the only platform that you can sit on the couch and play..... Consoles.

What's the only platform that can be operated by a monkey...... Consoles.

OP: Wasn't BioShock only on 360?

wow people like you really annoy me, why? Because you are ignorant, you don't know what you are talking about. You can sit on a couch and play on a pc just fine... and you dont need the screen right in front of you either. in fact you can use a controller to play all pc games, it doesn't require much effort, or you could just sit with a mouse and key board in front of you too...

Bioshock was also for the PC as well, and started off that way, in fact Bioshock 2 was for the PC as well..

Btw if something really has to be simple enough for a monkey to use in order for you to play games on, then we have some serious problems with society and sheer lazy-ness. And High school drop outs (or soon to be drop outs) probably shouldn't be playing games, You might want to consider having a supplement for your education or getting a job application to McDonalds instead.

I really hope you get banned for that comment.

Why? Because people like YOU are ignorant, and by that I mean you can't understand sarcasm. I said a monkey could operate the thing for Fuck's sake, if you really couldn't sense the sarcasm, than YOU need a supplement to your intelligence. Now get off your high horse and get over yourself.

wow I really hope you were trolling in that comment.

Why? because there is no sarcasm on the internet, and you fail to understand what sarcasm is, What you did with saying consoles are so easy a monkey could operate them was an exaggeration. The two are totally different and this further re-affirms my point you are a soon to be or already a high school drop out.


If you really want to represent sarcasm in your post, you are going to have to put the tags [sarcasm][/sarcasm]

 

[JeanLuc761]

want a PC? build it yourself.

okay, this is really stupid... why should i have to build something in order to enjoy it? whenever i buy something, i want it pre-built so i can use it right away.

having to assemble something so i can use it is just asinine. its why playing a console is simply more straightforward. you dont have to spend hours upon hours and no more than 600 dollars just to have a console and a couple of good games.

whereas on the PC i have to spend more then 600 dollars just to get it to run properly? seriously, that's why the future is not really in PC gaming, it's only just on par with console gaming.

Your logic perplexes me.

I understand that you enjoy having things that work perfectly right out of the box (who could blame you?), but part of the joy of having a PC is assembling one yourself. I have a great time picking out all the separate parts and putting them together, piece by piece. Turning a new setup on for the first time is an enthralling experience, partly because I know I saved a substantial amount of money, but also because I know that I built it.

And yes, PC gaming is more expensive than console gaming, we all know that. However, the fact that it's more expensive does not prohibit it from being important to the future of gaming and while there are multiple reasons for this, one of the most glaring is that all consoles are static pieces of hardware.

A good console will last anywhere from 6-10 years as a lifetime (hello PS2), and during that time you'll see a large variety of games, as you would with any system. The problem with consoles is that, since the hardware can't be updated to more powerful components, the majority of boundary-pushing technological development is grossly stunted, almost to the point of hitting a standstill. Now, that's not to say that console games are visually unappealing (you need only look at Ratchet and Clank, Mass Effect or Uncharted 2 to prove it), but it does limit the development of technology.

Another "problem" with consoles is one that Mr. Levine touched on, and it's that developing for PC will always be easier than it is for a console. Look at Minecraft for example. Developed by one person, and he's made MILLIONS on it. There's absolutely no way you could achieve that kind of result on the console, and that's the reason why PC has been a haven for independent developers, especially over the recent years.

PC will always drive us forward in ways that consoles never can.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

DLC is just an expansion that barely expands gameplay. Mods alter the gameplay thats already there. Or they are just user made expansions.

No some mods but others are just free DLC. There are tons upon tons of weapon mods and graphics mods for Oblivion to make the game look nicer which does not change gameplay. They also have whole mods adding regions to the game like there is one that adds a bit Eslwyr. Another mod adds the Archaeological Guild and a whole new mini questline. You need to try more mods or actually take a better look at what is on offer.

My POS computer can't run games like oblivion. It could barley play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. The game i have that is moded is Morrowind. And none of the mods i have act as DLC they just Upgrade the system to allow more control of the game and such. Like the vampire mod where you can actually Turn People into Vampires.

So just because you do not have mods that act as DLC such as add new areas and weapons(basically selling you an expansion piece by piece) nor can run them means that they don't exist? I am not saying there aren't mods out there that do change gameplay as there are loads of them but there are also loads that are player made content which just DLC made by players for players which gives the players what they want.

 

[Jumplion]

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I had requested that if you wanted to continue this conversation you do so civilly and through PM so as to not clutter this thread any more. And you still reply to me in a condescending tone and insult me and my family because I'm not a genius in computer making.

I guess that's too much to ask for on the internet, on the Escapist no less.

 

[Jumplion]

I had requested that if you wanted to continue this conversation you do so civilly and through PM so as to not clutter this thread any more. And you still reply to me in a condescending tone and insult me and my family because I'm not a genius in computer making.

I guess that's too much to ask for on the internet, on the Escapist no less.

1, I don't care about your requests. 2, So you are arbitrarily determining what constitutes clutter. Great job. 3, Yes and no. You insulted yourself, I just agreed and reiterated. 4, you just did it again and are now all teary-eyed for no good reason. Frankly I never expect the discussion to continue anyway, because my points are all valid and true, thus making your side, and most likely anything you would have said, moot.

1. I guess Chivalry's dead then. 2. I'd assume 8 pages of random PC vs. Console debates would constitute as pointless clutter and extending of a pointless argument. 3. Insulting me is one thing, insulting my family for no reason to make yourself feel superior is another. 4. I posted without a single tear in my eye, so I have no idea why you feel the need to say that unless your arbitrarily determining what constitutes as "teary-eyed" in a post. I started this with the intention of a friendly discussion, clearly you didn't.

This is the end of this discussion. I suppose I have to be the bigger man here and just end this. I will not respond to any further comments since clearly this discussion was dead in the water. Have a good day, and I hope you enjoy further discussion within the Escapist.

 

[Kurokami]

Good god, I thought Levine was smarter than to put out such an obvious piece of flame-bait. Maybe I was wrong. Just watch as this thread gets filled with Console v.s. PC flame-wars. Any second now... Any second...

Sucks how the moment people are listening you have to watch what you say, good for him imo. As for whether PC is the future of gaming, I don't know. Its certainly my pick but at the same time I've always like how specialized consoles are for gaming and how they don't manage to fuck up in unimaginable ways, since there's such a huge variety in them.

 

[Kurokami]

The answer is very simple: where does games on consoles are made from? PC's !

What's the only platform that delivers Mods for FREE: PC's !

i don't need to go further...

What's the only platform that you can sit on the couch and play..... Consoles.

What's the only platform that can be operated by a monkey...... Consoles.

OP: Wasn't BioShock only on 360?

Wrong on count number one. You can just as easily hook your PC up to your TV and then connect a 360 controller or Wiimote to it. And subsequently play from the couch.

I'm not sure your second point is a positive for consoles...

I have Bioshock installed on my PC now.

I'm basically just saying Consoles are easier.

They most certainly are easier. For the user. But for the developer, they are harder and more costly a platform to work on. And certainly to start on. There's always a price to be paid for convenience and over-simplification.

Really?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for PCs and I assume that there's a whole different system to get your head around when programming for consoles, but aren't Consoles just a whole lot more standardized? When programming for PC games you have to programme for the possibility that people are using different systems, different software, and makes sure it works for a wide market that's variously customized.

Obviously I'm not amazingly PC savy (in the sense that I know my shit), nor would I have much of a clue how one goes about developing a game for either a PC or a console, but that's the impression I've gotten.

 

[Ashbax]

Ahahahahahahahaha... good stuff.

What about Nintendo, Capcom, Square Enix, Sony Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Rockstar, Insomniac, Atlus and Sega? Console developers first. But I guess they don't count because they don't fit into his argument.

This guy is talking out of his ass.

Yes, and if you count all the growing indie devs, and most of the big companies also, or pretty much 95% of all game companies, then he is...correct. You named what might seem a good few devs at first glance, but really, thats a tiny, tiny minority. Yes, I own an xbox, and I own about 70+ games, but more and more these days im on my computers for gaming - WoW, CSS, Fable 3 (Which I could have got on my xbox, I know) Fallout: New Vegas, (again, could have got on xbox but didnt) Minecraft, TF2, thats the kinda stuff im playing at the moment. Yes, many of the games im playing at the moment are also on consoles, but thats just a sign of how they are both as important for gaming...Also - PC has mods ^^

 

[Mcface]

Im a PC gamer and I disagree. No PC games even come close to console sales (all save, WoW, but everyone plays WoW, and it's not very innovative) PC gaming is like the punk rock of the game world. It's after the golden age, on the dieing side but impossible to kill.

Yes, our PCs stomp holes through consoles, and always will. But the hordes of people will never accept PC gaming. It's too complex, too confusing, too DIY and too exclusive. PC gaming is slowly becoming more and more of a niche. Yes, valve with steam and D2D keep us relevant, but that's all we have.

 

[luckycharms8282]

Id much rather see gaming continue to move towards PC compared to say motion controllers like the Wii and Kinect. I know PC's are much more capable of running games smoother and with higher quality than consoles, I just like the feel of a controller in my hand.

 

[Sneaklemming]

Ive come to expect the escapist community to be very console biased, to the point where I didn't expect news like this to ever appear here. While it sounds lame alright, I feel that all platforms offer different variants of gaming experiences. I'll concede that ps3/xbox represent an almost identical platform, but to lump all consoles into one platform is wrong. As a PC gamer myself I'd like to believe that if I could afford it, I'd buy some consoles in the future - I'm always a gamer first.

 

[Irishhoodlum]

Ahahahahahahahaha... good stuff.

What about Nintendo, Capcom, Square Enix, Sony Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Rockstar, Insomniac, Atlus and Sega? Console developers first. But I guess they don't count because they don't fit into his argument.

This guy is talking out of his ass.

Half of those companies you named made their own consoles, or are owned by companies that own consoles which would require a fair amount of starting cash that most indie developers will not have on hand. Not to mention they all started on consoles ~10-20 years ago.

Devs starting on PCs don't have to pay royalties on games they won't even know will succeed to huge companies, and don't have the chance of having their less conventional games being turned down because they aren't safe. Honestly most console games now are sequels or games based on other games that have done well in the past a la lack of innovation (seriously no one say motion controllers).

You don't need to get so defensive, no one said console games or their players were inferior. He just said that it was easier to get started on PCs as they allow more freedom. But of course an employee for a huge developer that often favors consoles is going to be a fanboy for PCs who's out to get all console gamers. Yup you caught him.