lets collectively lol @ these "I need feminism because..." pics

[OuroborosChoked]

I honestly thought those images the OP posted were ironic.

You need Feminism because your university is named after a man? You mean, like the man who founded it or the man who financially supported it? No, you're absolutely right... down with men who actually accomplish things! Don't credit people who get things done!

You need Feminism because others are responsible for your self-image? To everyone who has said "Oh, you just don't get it... that's not what she's saying!": that's exactly what she's saying. Contrast her mindset with "fat body" girl below...

You need Feminism because you loving your unhealthy physique is the problem of "the patriarchy"? Last time I checked, it was women who wrote beauty magazines, not "the patriarchy". It's not just about beauty, either. Being comfortable with being obese is called being lazy and being fat is like advertising how little you enjoy moving. I should not be expected to find you beautiful because you exercise (ha) poor self-control, have a bad diet, and lack discipline. Put down the chocolate bars and go to the gym. I do it. You can, too. And not out of vanity, either. I LIKE being able to climb stairs without having to catch my breath. I LIKE the feeling I get when my muscles are being pushed to their limit. I do it for ME.

You need Feminism because your degree in Feminism won't pay the bills? And Feminism is supposed to fix it? Sounds like a circular argument. It reminds me of a joke the late Richard Jeni told: "I took political science and said 'Ok, what do I do now?'... 'You can teach political science.' I said "To who?' and they said 'Some other people'.... 'And what will THEY do?' 'They'll teach it to some other people.' Heh, what is this?! This isn't college; it's Amway with a track team! What is this? I spent $40,000 on a pyramid scheme!"

You need Feminism because people appreciate the female form... as art?!? GASP! How dare we appreciate what human beings look like! We human beings are such vicious animals!

So taking all of these ridiculous complaints into account, what exactly do ANY of them have to do with anything? Are women being barred from public service positions? No. Are women denied any legal rights that are extended to men? No.

All of these problems are social issues which can only ever be addressed on a person-to-person basis. Me? I'm a sex positive egalitarian. Gender, race, sexuality, and age are all irrelevant to me. What matters to me is how you THINK, what you VALUE, and what you can DO. I'm not the problem. Feminism's problems are manifold:

1. Accusing EVERYONE of being to blame for how certain individuals are made to feel. It's not my problem. I'm doing my part by just being a decent, not-giving-a-fuck human being. Don't throw me under your bus because I have a dick and you have a problem with men. You're just a sexist with an attitude - not a revolutionary.

2. Shaming everyone for the actions of a few will just cause the backlash Feminism is getting with increasing frequency.

3. Feminist "theory" isn't based on anything but discredited studies and ignorance of history. "Patriarchy"? Nothing but conspiracy theory when you realize that men have no same-gender preference and therefore have no reason to benefit other men by default. "Rape culture"? Something dreamed up by anti-sex paranoiacs (so me wanking to a picture of a nude girl who willingly participated in a photo shoot... is literal rape?). Patriarchy, rape culture, privilege, and so on are all baseless, unproven ideas... just IDEAS. There is ZERO serious academic work done to back it up. NONE. Just because you can explain an idea and browbeat and shame anyone who might object doesn't make your idea true or representative of reality. I can explain creationism... doesn't make it true, though! And oddly enough... there's plenty of "legitimate" science to back that up and just as much hatred of hard science, too!

4. Feminists act AGAINST actual rights issues when they impact men exclusively. Again, because... privilege? Damn those men with their hard labor, expectation of self-sacrifice, and mutilated penises... which brings me to...

I need feminism because I don't feel like female genital mutilation should be a thing.

What?

Oh, we're talking about how the patriarchy influences the self-image of women?
How you want to grow your armpit hair and be applauded for it?
How it isn't fair that fat women are being judged equally on their physique as fat men?

I'm so sorry - yes, you're right, those things ARE more important and more worthy of attention than women getting their labia and/or clitoris cut off.

Oh, we're talking about a problem in third-world countries? Well, go right ahead then. It's not like male genital mutilation is considered a culturally acceptable norm right here in our own country and advocated by many women who "prefer" a mutilated penis. No, it's all about women's problems, right? Because... privilege?

 

[Vuavu]

What?! But that's crazy talk! It's almost as if all these different schools of thought activism are just specialized subdivisions of the same progressive mentality. That has literally never happened before in all of history!

Yes. They are specialised subdivisions of the same progressive mentality. Because specialisation is not harmful in and of itself, so long as it's used reasonably. What's the problem with that?

Sorry, I thought you were the other guy.

In hindsight I probably should have done something to make the sarcasm clearer.

I pity these people.

I'm probably going to regret asking this, but... Why? Do you really think less of people for having a different opinion than you?

First off, pity doesn't mean "think less of." It means "feel sorry for." I feel sorry because these people have been sucked into a community that GENERALLY prefers to lash out defensively instead of talk, and duped into a philosophy that values blaming others for your pain over exhibiting personal strength. I won't say all, but most of the 'problems' in the pictures above root from shoving their "OMG SO UNIQUE" identities in people's faces then getting sad and writing on cardboard for the internet just because the people being projected at didn't feel comfortable being projected at. We can go picture by picture if you want. This might be my first forum debate too, so go easy on me

 

[Vuavu]

In hindsight I probably should have done something to make the sarcasm clearer.

That you were quoting the same guy too didn't help, LOL. Though it was probably my own distractedness. Thanks for being a good sport about it, too!

I pity these people. Still funny. But this has reminded me of the ridiculous bullshit people CHOOSE to fill their own heads with.

You won't resent them (or us) for feeling the same way about you, right? After all, turnabout is fair play, isn't it?

Ha of course not. I'd be curious as to why though. Getting to know people is always good, and vice-versa

 

[Paradoxrifts]

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD LADY thy God Goddess am a jealous God Goddess, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

And shewing mercy unto thousands[footnote]Citation required.[/footnote] of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

 

[MegaManOfNumbers]

OH COME THE FUCK ON.

I thought the internet got tired with this sexism bullshit after 2012. Here we go again.

 

[Giftfromme]

For number 1, that is actually up to him how he feels.

I'll get back to you on this one, because it's 90% of the reason why you're not getting any of this and deserves a full response.

For number 3, I don't understand what you're saying there. She is saying that people think if you're not getting harassed on the street, then you can't feel attractive.

Using pink text is an internet shorthand to indicate sarcasm. She's being sarcastic. It's not even subtle sarcasm, it's incredibly blatant.

The point she's actually making is about how women on both sides the beauty standard are subject to different forms of ill treatment. You're reading it as some kind of "woe is me, I wish I was attractive" thing, when in fact it's kind of the opposite.

And what the hell is rape culture? You are very high and mighty in your post, just assuming we both share the same definition. What does it mean?

This is something you would know if you had read about it, maybe you should have done so before posting.

I already explained it earlier, so let me put that explanation in spoiler tags.

Spoiler

"Rape culture" is a slightly 80s concept and one I personally have no real time for, but the actual theory behind it is pretty simple. It's a response to several key facts about rape which emerged a few decades ago when people started seriously researching it:

* Rape is far more common in our society than most people realize.
* Rape in our society is overwhelmingly committed by men against women or against other, lower status men.
* Rapists are very seldom aware that they have committed an unacceptable act, they generally believe that their own aggressive or violent behavior was simply part of the normal role distribution of sexual relations.

Faced with this, there are two possible explanations.

* Men are simply driven compulsively to rape by some factor of their anatomy, neurology or endocrinology which they can't control and which makes them dangerous to all women (and certain other men) who are close to them.
* Elements of our society and the way we raise men tend to predispose them towards aggressive or controlling sexual behavior, and this can be directly linked to the historical division of sexual practices into "active" and "passive" positions which accompanied traditional gender roles.

The feminist argument is the latter one.

"Rape culture" is a term for any broader social factor which results in that widespread confusion between rape and "normal" sexual conduct. Precisely what will qualify for this will vary depending on the background of who you ask, but it does not mean that all men are rapists, or indeed that only men support rape culture.

So the answer is that it means none of the things you have said, although it could be argued that our society does overwhelmingly "accept" certain forms of rape and an overwhelming number of rapists do go free, neither really has anything to do with rape culture.

But again, we're getting into actual social theory here which we're going to have to come back to.

Number 6. Yes that is an internal confidence thing.

No. It's not.

I need feminism because loving my fat body is apparently a radical concept

The way this is phrased is deliberately structured as to imply that she already does love her body, so where is the lack of self-confidence. Again, this is a point about the existence of the beauty standard, and the fact that certain types of bodies are valued socially over others. They are valued socially irrespective of whether they are valued personally.

The second half of your point is hugely overstating the scope of what is being said. The reason there is opposition to the beauty standard is because it applies unequally to men and women. Women are still overwhelmingly judged as aesthetic objects in a way which men are simply not.

It's easy to sit there and talk about how all you need is "self confidence" (which probably makes a great deal of sense if you assume this is little more than ugly chicks who want cock too) but it's not, what we're actually talking about here is a completely different thing called social acceptance. There are numerous avenues of social acceptance available to men, perhaps the reason you've never noticed any need for it is because you've never had to worry about achieving it. You can be intelligent. You can be physically capable. You can be a hard worker, you can be sexually successful. Just about anything really. For women, all of these things remain secondary to whether or not you are appealing to men. That is the beauty standard, and it's extremely destructive to our society.

So no, the point is not about creating a world in which everyone is equally attractive, it is about creating a world in which there are multiple paths to social acceptance for both men and women, and in which both are equally appreciated, on both a personal and social level, for the contributions they make to society. "Self confidence" doesn't even enter into it, again, it's kind of the opposite of the point. This woman is saying she has self confidence and this actually contributes to her lack of social acceptance.

This is something which very basic background reading would help you make sense of.

The degree is as valid as the sum total of everyone else's opinion of it.

..which completely contradicts your earlier point that we should all just be able to create value from nothing. Clearly this is a self-confidence issue, right? If she clicked her heels and wished upon a star, her degree would be the most valued degree ever, wouldn't it? Or are we admitting that social value sometimes extends beyond the individual..

This isn't about what will get you a job. Actually, my experience is that Gender Studies isn't bad at getting you a job unless you're looking for some soul destroying management position. It's an interesting talking point in interviews, it requires a high level of critical thinking and it gives understanding which is useful in navigating real situations.

The problem is, most people don't know what Gender Studies is. Most, in fact, don't even know what gender is. Gender Studies is a way of looking critically at something which most people (particularly men) not only think they understand already but are in fact hugely invested in. I mean, what's to know, right? Men are men and women are women and we're all equal now anyway so obviously we don't need to look any deeper or ask any questions about this. It's just all those damn Feminazis (who I can't name, but who totally exist) stirring up trouble and trying to cut our dicks off.

Feminism is the original Gender Theory, if you understand feminism (irrespective of whether you agree with particular feminist writers) you will at least understand what Gender Studies is, why it exists and why it's an important area of human knowledge.

I can think what I like about your degree, but I can understand why it would be interesting and important. I'm not going to claim it's ideologically brainwashing you, I'm certainly not going to claim that it's useless because I can already write (badly) and that's all we need to know and I'm not going to decide your degree is actually about talking rather than writing because I don't understand what writing is. In Gender Studies, you have to put up with that shit all the time, it's one of the reasons I kicked off at this thread.. Legitimate opinions are not based on willful ignorance, and yeah basic feminist literacy irrespective of opinion would help that.

If the females who volunteered (unless they're being forced for some reason) feel this way, then they shouldn't pose for those art schools. Simple. And women's bodies won't be objectified in the art school anymore.

Did you miss the recurring opening line, which says "I need feminism because.."

Because some would argue that's exactly what we need feminism for.

..and because I wonder if maybe you're confused about what feminism is, let me spoiler my second explanation from the previous post.

Spoiler

There is no "feminist movement", there has not been a "feminist movement" for about 30 or 40 years now.

Feminism is a series of ideas relating to the social inequalities between the genders. That's all. The ideas have become popular not because groups of incredibly powerful women came and imposed them on society, but because they were tested and generally found to be a convincing explanation not only of the lives of many people (particularly women) but also of many aspects of our social world which were previously difficult to explain. Thus, almost everyone today accepts most of them.

That is why you have been able to unconsciously accept so many feminist principles, many of which were considered outrageously radical as little as a few decades ago, without necessarily regarding yourself as feminist at all. The name you give these ideas does not matter. There is no movement. There is nowhere where you sign up and get your feminist card. There is no special protest or conference you have to attend in order to be a "proper" feminist. At one point, being a feminist was very contingent on social activism. Today, it is not. "Feminist activism" is coalitional and issue-driven. There is no feminist manifesto which tells you which issues you support, it's just that some of the theoretical writing lends itself to particular political projects, and not always the same political projects. There have been several quite famous occasions when feminists have found themselves in direct opposition with regards to major exercises of social activism.

This particular photo campaign was not sanctioned by the World Feminist Council in an effort to promote its self image, it's a group of people who fundamentally feel upset at how a concept and body of literature which has personal meaning to them is maligned. There are not "thousands of splinter sects" who deviate on how to interpret the holy tome of Feminist law, there are individuals who are motivated by shared knowledge and/or ideals. That's what a political coalition is.

And now we move on to the main point.

To summarize your argument, and correct me if I'm wrong, you're arguing that we should all stop caring about what other people think of us and instead just see ourselves exactly as we want to with absolutely no regard for anyone else, that this is something we can all do and which is (or should be) entirely unaffected by the actions of anyone else.

Firstly, a person who genuinely has no regard for society is suffering from a personality disorder. Like it or not, we all care to some degree about what other people think of us (unless we are extremely mentally ill) because it is the only rational response to the situation we live in. We are social creatures who are extremely dependent on one another not just for our emotional needs but also for our basic physical needs.

Even the words we use and the concepts they relate to are learned from other people. We didn't generate them ourselves at the moment of birth. They were not whispered to us in the womb by Jesus. Language is a system of communication, in order to be that it requires more than one person. Thus, I cannot sit here and magically decide that the meaning and value of concepts is entirely different to what other people say they are, because those concepts are the product of social interaction. Without the ability to interact and make a mark on the social world, words and ideas are meaningless. They may as well be schizophrenic word salad.

Feminism gives us a vocabulary to talk about and question concepts which would otherwise merely be unconscious presumptions. It isn't something "outside of yourself" any more than the words you're using now or the ideas behind them are "outside of yourself" because you had to learn them from someone at some point. Oh, that's right. Do you think you're entirely original? Do you think you're the only person in the world who has ever come out with these kinds of arguments? I can tell you you're not. Your arguments are remarkably typical in fact, and if indeed you are sitting and there and purely self-determining without any kind of outside influence (because that would be so unhealthy) why is that? Why are your arguments so incredibly similar to those I've heard hundreds or thousands of times before?

It's because the underlying logic of those arguments, the unconscious assumptions that you accept and the vocabulary which you use, was all learned, just as it was by millions of other people. There are coherent social forces which have made you what you are, and one of those forces (perhaps the most important of all) is your gender. It's probably the first thing anyone said about you when you were born, and from that moment onwards it was present in every aspect of your upbringing just as it was for everyone else. Do you imagine that this had no effect on you? Do you imagine that it's just pure coincidence that you overwhelmingly tend to make the same choices as others of the same gender, because I can pretty much guarantee you do. I do too. In fact, we all do.

..and that's why we need feminism, because feminism was the first attempt to give us a set of conceptual tools to examine the effects of these forces on who we are, and it remains essential to understanding how to use those tools.

It's all well and good for acceptance, but what difference does it make to the guy who wants to be banged by his girlfriend with a strap on? There are differences in our genders, studies have shown that guys and girls learn differently. That is a difference between the genders. Does that mean all fetishes need to be accepted by society? I mean it is pretty weird that he wants to be banged in the ass by a dildo from his gf. Yes that opinion is formed and informed by societal standards, but some things will always be weird or deviant to us. It's how we negotiate what "normal" is. Same for rich, poor and middle class. They're not magic words but labels we put on after the fact. If we somehow redressed income inequality and made everyone "middle class" then it would lose all meaning.
I realise sexual equality doesn't exist, but that doesn't stop people from doing what they want in the bedroom. There are many places that exist solely for one fetish or another. These people don't wait upon equalization of accepted gender norms to happen to do what they want. If one sexual act or another isn't considered deviant, away from the norm etc. then another will. You can't equalise everything. It's impossible. Once sex became political, it came to be judged etc. and it always will be. Once you could form opinions of other's sex lives, judgement comes in. If you want sexual equality with the sexes, it has to be done out in the open, otherwise you won't know if people really do treat both genders equally when it comes to sex. But once the dialogue is out in the open and considered important enough to comment on, people will. In this context we might say that a guy getting banged in the ass by a strap on is not considered unmanly. But then something else will. Not everything can be "normal" something will always be an outlier. Another sexual act will become the outlier instead of this one where the guy wants to be banged in the ass by his girlfriend. Judgement will be informed from many areas, not just our perceptions of what gender entails. Even if somehow the genders were seen as equal etc. other judgements would be invoked to decide what a "normal" sex act is and what an "abnormal" one is.

So there is simply no point in waiting for that. His sex life doesn't need to be political and can be 100% private. He can do what he wishes when he wishes. And many, many people do. There's simply no point in waiting around for acceptance for that.

Regarding the sarcasm one. How many people actually think that a girl feels attractive if she is ogled in the street or whatever? I mean sure, I will stare at girls on the street, and many, many guys do. How many ogle girls or harass them? You could say a beautiful woman doesn't like being hit on by so many guys. She may consider many of the guys "creeps" etc. But there is a fine line between what a girl can consider a "creep" and what is cool. Also different women will respond differently and you can't know in advance how a girl will react. Maybe some guys treat all women as the same, and think they will react the same to the same approach, but that's their loss. If they can't learn from that, feminism certainly won't teach them. Of course I've been to events where there are guys who say shit like "show us your tits!" and all manner of shit like that. But those are bogans, and it's generally not accepted by most people. These people tend to be trash and no amount of education will change their opinion. But they do it because sometimes they get obliged, they don't get shut down 100% of the time. So they do it all the time in the hope that it will happen this one time. But these people are scrubs and are definitely in the minority. You can't completely stamp out such behaviour, and feminism certainly won't. But you can't just erase historically contingent factors. These are not trivial. Men are typically the ones who will "hunt" for a girl, or is generally the one who initiates contact with a girl. Our brains formed on the savannah (for roughly 2 million years, known as the Pleistocene period) and we haven't been out of it long enough for deeply ingrained values and attitudes to change. Education will not do this. Typically men looked for a shapely woman and woman typically looked for a man who could provide enough resources for her children to actually survive. Hence why men will stare at woman etc. as one of the factors we look for in woman is their figure. There is no escaping this. We all do this to some extent and it's hardly something that education can "wipe" out.
Some men will always think that it's alright to ogle or whatever else they do, at women because men are seen as the selectors and one factor they look at is the body shape. Their reasoning is probably something along the lines that when they do these things it reaffirms how that woman feels about herself. They might think that since society decides what beauty is, they're simply playing their part in it by telling or showing these woman blatantly what they think of their bodies. Yes they're wrong, but there are many shades to how it can be "proper" to show or tell a girl what you think of her body. One guy could go up to a girl and tell her she's fucking hot and she might find that unacceptable (and we as a society might too). Another guy does it, and it's fine. And I have seen this happen and it's been fine. It tends to be when trash like bogans do it it's not fine, (and a lot of things they do with woman we don't think is fine. Imagine a scrub going up to a chick and calling her hot. Unacceptable! Harassment! Now think if James Bond does it, and it's all good) but if someone with enough confidence does it, he can get away with murder, so to speak. So these kind of things exist on a sliding scale and not just right and wrong. Education can only partly deal with that, but not to a significant enough degree.

The whole rape culture thing is certainly not a new phenomenon. It has existed for as long as we have been around and will continue until we end as a species. Rape will always happen. Always. Education cannot fix that. If the urges are strong enough in a man and he rapes a woman, he will use any excuse to justify it, and education cannot fix that. These urges are not trivial, this is your very DNA pushing you get pass on your genes by getting laid. If he cannot, there are infinite array of excuses he can pick from to justify his act. Absolutely nothing can stop him from coming up with such excuses, certainly not feminism. And the vast majority of people already don't think it's ok to rape, so any education efforts will only affect a small minority anyway. Not to say such efforts are wasted, but you can't get rid of rape through education. It's simply impossible. You can alter or change attitudes and this will gradually happen over a long period of time. But saying that I somehow contribute to this culture is absolute nonsense. Utter garbage. What a retarded opinion to hold.

Some degrees are held in higher opinion than others. This will always happen and there will never be such a thing as equality amongst all degrees. Never. No amount of education (ironically) will change that. Sure we might accept gender studies as a normal, valuable, equal degree. Something else will then become a useless degree. It will happen. It's how we categorise things. I am sorry it's this way, but there you go. She saw value in her degree, and that's all we can really say about that.

Regarding social standards. You could accept every social standard there is regarding looks for men and woman. Let's say you do. If you consider yourself an ugly person, or someone with no future prospects, you could easily give up and never look to improve yourself, you could just think you're done for and leave it at that. No woman would ever want you and that's the end of the story. A woman could similarly do the same thing. Do all people do this? Do they give up? I've seen some decidedly unattractive guys who are good with woman, but they could have easily given up. They could have decided they were unattractive and never presented themselves to the world. But they didn't. They ignored the social standards that are seen to bind us and permeate our lives.

No I don't make decisions out of a vacuum, but once you have experienced a society and culture for long enough, you can decide for yourself what to discard. These social norms are mostly just shortcuts for us to not have to experience something ourselves. Many are there for a reason. If someone tells us not to approach a tiger, it's probably best not to try and experience that ourselves. Probably best to just believe that person. But we have eliminated most such threats in our Western society, but these shortcuts still exist as a way to save ourselves from dangers. If someone told me "you can't just go and introduce yourself to woman, it's scary and you will get rejected. Rejection is bad" In fact many people could tell you that. And you might believe that. You would buy into that persons social frame. Have you tried to in fact approach a woman yourself? Nope, but you believe him as it's a shortcut. It's a limiting belief. You could in fact approach 10 woman, get rejected and then realise it's true. Or you could get rejected 10 times and realise rejection really is nothing to worry about. But that required you to break out of social standards. What's the point of trying to change those standards or opinions? They exist and you have to work with or work around them. This is what I mean by confidence is an internal thing.

Imagine being surrounded by 10 people. All 10 people tell you you're a piece of shit. You could then believe it. And then you could go into another room and the next group of 10 people could tell you you're fucking epic and you believe them. People can change their opinion at any moment, and I've experienced this. I used to let this affect me, because realising it's pointless. It has to come from within, as your mood will change widely if you constantly let others decide how you feel about yourself.

No I don't think my arguments are original. Of course others have them. That's the point. If I was the only, I might think something is wrong with me. But of course others think this way, even if they might be in the minority. But that's fine with me.

Also long post for the win.

 

[JemothSkarii]

Part of it is that women want chivalry WITHOUT the double standard suffering, it seems, from the idea how they how they are idealized and treated under sexist pursuit and society is "normal" as to an extra they aren't entitled to that men often provided on the assumption of similar payment (usually their subservience). Surely everyone shares their feelings, speaks nice to them, offers them favors, and negotiates on prices, fixes things, moves items and furniture at request, etc etc. And if not these are not special exceptions but the way it should be for everyone. It comes off as mockably naive.

Yes, this is what women want. Stand back, Mel Gibson, because some dude on the internet has researched the desires of 50% of the people on the planet and neatly summed them up in a paragraph.

Though I guess I'm going to have my woman status revoked, because I don't want chivalry. Chivalry can fuck right off, because it's predicated on the notion that women are financially weak (and need men to buy their meals for them) and so physically weak that they're incapable of pulling a wooden chair back a couple of feet or opening a door for themselves. And "negotiating prices"? Holy shit. If I was trying to get a quote on something and some guy stepped in, pushed me gently aside and said, "let me handle this, darling, you can go and stand over there and look pretty," I would A) wonder where he parked his time machine and B) slap him soundly in the balls.

Seriously, the "buh-buh-buh women still want men to be chivalrous!" argument is so outdated that even most anti-feminists are too embarrassed to try using it. I'm going to go ahead and be embarrassed on your behalf.

Actually, it's not really 'chivalry' anymore, it's more being courteous to a lady. I'm a male, and if sanyone, male or female, opens a door for me, I'm happy for it. Offer to pay my meal? I can turn it down, or I can accept it. It's not something women are forced into, it is nowadays simply being courteous to fellow human beings. This isn't just exclusive to males helping females, it's also males helping males, females helping males, and females helping females.


Anyways, I was hoping to avoid hoping into this argument, soo...

OT: Look at this, vidya related and clearly a joke!

Spoiler

 

[Vareoth]

Hmm, I don't think I get it. Those images in the OP are meant to be ironic right? Right?

Also, I think I will stay out of this entire debate since my tiny brain is putting itself on lock-down to preserve the remains of my sanity.

 

[Gatx]

I don't understand what the first one has to do with feminism, as for the one about the gender studies degree, sexism is not the reason why that degree isn't valid.

 

[Erttheking]

EDIT: *Looks up and down thread* This is why I never want to talk about sexism. EVER! People can't talk about it without turning it into a fucking war. And I'm talking about people on both sides of the debate.

 

[Darken12]

Ha of course not. I'd be curious as to why though. Getting to know people is always good, and vice-versa

Why, I think the reason should be obvious: do unto others and all that. If you "pity someone for the ridiculous bullshit they choose to fill their heads with", then (assuming you mean the people in the pics that give various reasons to need feminism) I feel the same about you. Anyone who dismisses all those valid social critiques as "ridiculous bullshit" automatically gets my pity as they clearly don't understand the struggles a lot of people continue to face in this day and age.

I don't understand what the first one has to do with feminism, as for the one about the gender studies degree, sexism is not the reason why that degree isn't valid.

The first one has to do with feminism because the traditional patriarchal views on sex denigrate the type of sex he enjoys. According to the patriarchy, he's not manly if he likes to be pegged by a woman. Hell, in conservative areas, guys get a lot of "what are you, a sissy/******?" when it's found out that they like sex with the woman in charge. To them, the conception of straight sex means that the man has to sexually dominate the woman, or else he's not being manly. His manliness is tied with the idea of sexually dominating a woman (an idea that goes back to when being gay was okay so long as you were a top, but being a bottom was emasculating).

 

[90sgamer]

#1 This man enjoys a penis. That makes him bisexual.

No... he enjoys being penetrated by his girlfriend. That doesn't make him bisexual. That makes him a heterosexual man who enjoys a sensation most cis-gendered men are totally insecure about. The fact that you have just called his entire sexual orientation into question just because he likes something you presumably don't proves the picture's point.

He said he likes a strap on. He didn't say he liked being fucked in the ass. You are presuming too much. All we know is that he likes a phallic shaped object. Maybe he wanks it. Maybe he slobbers his tongue over it. It doesn't really matter because the point it, he likes something shaped like a penis. You know what else is good for anal stimulation? Moist fingers.

 

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#1 This man enjoys a penis. That makes him bisexual.

No... he enjoys being penetrated by his girlfriend. That doesn't make him bisexual. That makes him a heterosexual man who enjoys a sensation most cis-gendered men are totally insecure about. The fact that you have just called his entire sexual orientation into question just because he likes something you presumably don't proves the picture's point.

He said he likes a strap on. He didn't say he liked being fucked in the ass. You are presuming too much. All we know is that he likes a phallic shaped object. Maybe he wanks it. Maybe he slobbers his tongue over it. It doesn't really matter because the point it, he likes something shaped like a penis. You know what else is good for anal stimulation? Moist fingers.

Do you know who else use strap ons? Lesbians. Nope, not bisexual women, actual full-on lesbians. Sure, they can have plenty of sex without involving phallic objects (oral, scissoring, mutual masturbation, breast stimulation, etc) but a lot of them do enjoy the use of a strap-on not because they have lingering heterosexuality but because they like the feeling of penetration (or, as you pointed out, anything else that might get them off while using it). Also, not all strap-ons look like a penis. A lot of them look like plain cylinders or any non-phallic image you can think of.

You too are presuming too much.

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