What is up with all the feminism and sexism related threads on the escapist lately? It's almost like someone is purposely trying to rustle everyone's jimmies...
lets collectively lol @ these "I need feminism because..." pics
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Does everyone need social acceptance for everything they do any more? I was raised to believe that people are free to do what they wish as long as it doesn't trample the rights of others. I can do what I want and people are free to like it, not like it or not care at all. Why do groups feel they need to change the whole of society so people accept everything they do with open arms?
This goes out to all groups out there. Do what you do and I will either like it, not like it or not care and you cant change that, if people don't like you for it but nobody is trying to stop you from doing it STFU and deal with it.
All the pictures from the OP seem like whines about their own social hang-ups not about a lack of freedom to do it so to me its invalid.
Its not the duty or responsibility of society to make people feel better about themselves. I wish these threads would end.
This goes out to all groups out there. Do what you do and I will either like it, not like it or not care and you cant change that, if people don't like you for it but nobody is trying to stop you from doing it STFU and deal with it.
All the pictures from the OP seem like whines about their own social hang-ups not about a lack of freedom to do it so to me its invalid.
Its not the duty or responsibility of society to make people feel better about themselves. I wish these threads would end.
I don't like to break up quotes, so I'm just going to answer like this. What I said is that any title with an history or a perceived notion will close off minds. I listed a few, I believe three. First, the term I typed out specifically was 'White Power'. And there was a reason for that.BoneDaddy_SK said:
I've met people who believed in White Power but did not hate other races. Well, they said as much. Given the fact that they were introduced to me and we talked several times before telling me they believed in the White Power movement, I tend to give some credence to their ideals while trying not to be a damn fool. That's always a tight rope, but try to keep an open mind and all.
I can get into whether I hundred percent believe them or not, but I'll move away from the point because I can believe there is a group of whites who believe in White Pride/Power and not hate others. But the term White Power or Pride might make others think that they are just racist. Hell, I blatantly said White Power and then said that they could not be racist, and you just summed up all my thoughts as equating Feminism as White Supremacist. Which would be weird, as I also mention Black Militants in the same Paragraph. Before White Power, might I add.
To me, it seems, you read a hot button term and then reacted. Which was kind of my point to begin with.
And to the last part... Not once in any of my posts did I ever say dismiss feminism. Ever. It never came close. I've been saying to dismiss labels and try to reach other others like human beings, not champions to a cause. There's really nothing other to say about that.
Me too, I was expecting joke pictures but OP did not deliver. @OP, you got these from 4chan eh? Good, stay there.LostGryphon said:
Although I think people have a right to their own opinions, the pictures are kinda stupid as they name issues that aren't really related to feminism, usually other issues or in some of the pictures no issue at all.
At first I thought that was all sarcastic then it dawned on me that these idiots are serious. I'll just give a quick play by play.
There is feminism and useless complaining. This is the latter.
1. That doesn't have anything to do with feminism, more like fetish/sexuality tolerance. Advertising is like asking for recognition of foot fetish holders.
2. Your point is?
3. This is a feminist issue why? Here I thought lack of harassment was good.
4. Thats just adorable.
5. Because women don't have standards of beauty to apply to men at all.
6. See above.
7. Ooooh, a liberal arts degree that doesn't let you do anything except write a book or teach that subject. WHEEE.
8. Is Michalangelo's David bad for men too? I though it was pretty impressive myself.
2. Your point is?
3. This is a feminist issue why? Here I thought lack of harassment was good.
4. Thats just adorable.
5. Because women don't have standards of beauty to apply to men at all.
6. See above.
7. Ooooh, a liberal arts degree that doesn't let you do anything except write a book or teach that subject. WHEEE.
8. Is Michalangelo's David bad for men too? I though it was pretty impressive myself.
There is feminism and useless complaining. This is the latter.
I like how this thread is mostly people saying "oh man, this is gonna get nasty"
thats not relevant, nor is it adding to the discussion on the subject. I don't know that all of these are entirely invalid points. but I'm off topic now
OT *points and laughs*
thats not relevant, nor is it adding to the discussion on the subject. I don't know that all of these are entirely invalid points. but I'm off topic now
OT *points and laughs*
No I don't. However I do care about people complaining about how things are so hard for them while totally ignoring the other side of it. I'd be one hell of a hypocrite for pretending to be outraged about it because I and other men apply standards of beauty to women, and women do the same to men. Its derailment as far as pointing out how ridiculous an argument can be is in any discussion. If you ask me most complaints about objectification are usually overblown/ridiculous and are claimed by a minority of women.boots said:
Oh, and you didn't get anything under B so that most certainly not a bingo.
About the last one - the nude models in art - as someone who took a short life drawing class and had to draw both fat and skinny women, drawing the fatties was MUCH more fun and always ended up looking better than the skinny girls. In fact, my favourite artistic nude photograph was a fat chick sitting on a rocky breakwater with a cityscape in the background. The hard, dark, angular rocks/skyscrapers had an amazing contrast with the soft, light, round skin of the woman. As an artistic piece it would have been much weaker if the model was a skinny chick. I didn't objectify those women (probably because I'm not particularly attracted to overweight women) and really appreciated what their body lent to the art.
I think the girl must be referring to bad art - like the people that just take a photo of a girl with her legs spread and post it to deviantART with the title "Cum inside" or something, and categorise it as "artistic nude". When it's bad nude art the only value it has is pornography, so it's no surprise people objectify the models. When the artist actually uses the model in creating the art I find myself far less likely to objectify the model - even if she has a smokin' bod.
I think the girl must be referring to bad art - like the people that just take a photo of a girl with her legs spread and post it to deviantART with the title "Cum inside" or something, and categorise it as "artistic nude". When it's bad nude art the only value it has is pornography, so it's no surprise people objectify the models. When the artist actually uses the model in creating the art I find myself far less likely to objectify the model - even if she has a smokin' bod.
Way to undercut your own point. You're admitting it's not a problem of your culture, but of the culture of those who immigrate to your country. Simple solution: pass a law banning the practice. While you're at it, ban all genital mutilation and see how far you can go with banning male circumcision before the religious segments of the population start raising specters of the Holocaust.Arqus_Zed said:
No, I'm not... but thanks for putting words in my mouth. What I was actually saying is that in YOUR OWN culture, male genital mutilation is considered normal... yet you're raising a stink over some other culture's norms. THAT is pretty fucked up: that you view men in your own culture as so entirely insignificant that you have to look to another culture to find things to get pissed about before fixing the problems within your own metaphorical house.
Yes, female genital mutilation sucks. It's utterly horrible and cruel. But how about setting aside the white world's burden for two seconds to show compassion for your own sons and husbands?
But not enough to actually do something about it...
I was referring to the example in front of me. I did not say you were the ONLY one ever, merely the only one admitting to it *right here*.boots said:
Also:
1. "Wonder why" - way to not-so-subtly accuse everyone here of sexism. I, for one, do not appreciate that kind of attitude, nor the insult.
2. The Escapist isn't the entire world. If you believe it is, you are living under a metaphorical rock. You will find many of the girls who happen to be the most vocal on the subject do not agree with you. Go check YouTube, if you don't believe me... read women's magazines, watch daytime talk shows. Most girls still expect if not DEMAND that the man pay and will trash and shame a man who doesn't.
Yes, because women are uniquely victims of everything... like violence (no, wait... that's mostly men even though women get all of the attention and "end violence" campaigns... can't use that, either). Instead of framing problems as they impact just one group of people, how about we focus on getting rid of problems ENTIRELY?boots said:
I think that's really what you're missing when people do this: some people aren't sexists and actually care about ALL people... not just their own kind.
Woah, acting like a hypocrite without reading the last few pages!bounty90 said:
It's not my responsibility to educate anyone, particularly if noone's going to bother to read any actual explanations. The original post in this thread was worth exactly the amount of time I gave it, subsequent posts have been worth more, hence why I have given them more.
If you haven't ever bothered to learn about something, I don't have to explain to you why your thinking regarding it is wrong. Unless you want to pay me to teach you, that's not my job and its not your right. People should do some fucking work before they post this shit, that was the point, and it stands whether you consider my points about "feminism" to be right or wrong.
I don't understand economics.. I've never studied it or read much about it. If I made a spectacularly arrogant post in which I invited everyone to laugh because people who support the ideas of the Chicago school say things which I think sound dumb, I'd be opening myself to ridicule on the basis that I didn't know what I was talking about. One would think I'd be aware of that before trying to create such a topic.
Oh, are we playing your silly bingo game now? Because I think that statement just got me a few spaces...boots said:
You know, people say they believe a lot of things. I'd take you up on your poll idea if - and only if - there was another question paired up with it: who paid for your past three dates?
That's because it's not an argument against Feminism. It's an argument against hypocracy. Specifically...
1. "Allegedly" - I can get you half a dozen videos right now from YouTube. *I* guarantee YOU that they're the first search results that come up, too.
2. I dare say most of them believe they are, inasmuch as Feminism has been defined for them as "equality for women".
I have tried it on. Sexism doesn't suit me. I prefer to concern myself with the rights issues that impact all of us... not just how women feel when an ugly man looks at her...