lollipop Chainsaw is a terrible idea.

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DarkRyter

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TaintedSaint said:
Gaming as a whole in recent years has tried to prove to the world that it is a valid artistic medium on par with film and should be protected under the first amendment I believe games like Lollipop Chainsaw do nothing but hurt the progress
that the medium has made of the years.
People in politics over the years have said that games are too violent and have too much sex in them and this game is blatantly throwing it in everyone face. Sure the game companies can say "its a mature game kids should not play it" But come on its a half naked chick in a schoolgirl uniform killing zombies basically every 14 year old boys wet dream.
I for one and not normally one to cry that games have too much sex and violence but this game is blatantly spiting in the face of all the hard work game developers have fought for for so long.
Game developers don't need to work for shit.

Video games are an intentional expression or application of human creative skill and imagination. That's fuckin art. Dictionary, ************. You can't argue with that shit.

A game could be nothin but a prolonged titty-gropin sim, it would still be art. Because someone made that shit. With dey imagination and creative skill.
 

RedDeadFred

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erttheking said:
So? Micheal Bay still makes movies but films are still considered respectable.
Pretty much this. I have no interest in this game whatsoever but I'm sure other people will buy, and enjoy it. I see no real problem with making this game.
 

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I'm playing it just for the dialogue. 'My sisters and I all wear our vaginas proud.' Goddamn that's brillant.
 

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I understand your perspective, but I think you are approaching it from the wrong direction.

What we need to focus on is not fewer immature power fantasies. Any individual example of the cliche are not bad when taken alone. In the world of art, most any perspective or approach is at least worth experiencing. What we need is more of what we consider (in a kneejerk way) to be artistic. We need a selection of games with strong writing, meaningful commentary, and general artistic value that is not dressed in the trappings of shallow power fantasies, however valid many games are as artistic expression through the lens of the shoot em up or beat em up. We don't really have that anywhere near the mainstream right now. But once we do, games will be accepted, no matter how many Lollipop Chainsaws we make.

Right now, movies will always be considered a valid medium, no matter how many Michael Bay movies get made, because everyone knows that movies once brought us Citizen Kane, Shindlers List, and Casablanca. Once we get a Dear Esther, The Path, Passage or Journey to propel itself into the public conscious, then even the most stogy old coot or quasi beatnik will attribute any number of 14 year old boys fantasies to Sturgeons Law.
 

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Games like lollipop chainsaw, creative crazy few and far between games that the public are arbitraily scared of despite knowing nothing about it are the reason we fight for first amendment rights to begin with. Why would we censor ourselves based on others standards, it's what we're trying to prevent.
 

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Rawne1980 said:
Ladies and gentlemen .... and you, yes you....

This is the reason why the whole "games as art" shit pisses me off.

I like my over the top absurd games. Some people get it in their heads that all games must now be like Journey to move the medium forward.

To them I say, piss off and leave our fun games alone.
While I do love Journey, I agree with you. I also enjoy over the top violent games. Gotta have variety when it comes to the games I play ya know?
 

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DioWallachia said:
wooty said:
So we should all just stick to realistic boring moral-tastic games then?

No thanks, a bit of sheer madness livens up the monotony of the pile of straight laced FPS's or "party" games. Bat shit weird games are why I got into this hobby in the first place.
What kind of insanity have you been subjected thanks to gaming? what games did you play in all your life that fit that criteria?
Things like Katamari Damacy, Boogerman, Rocket Knight Adventures, Postal 2, Ristar, Earthworm Jim just to name a few. Hell, even Mario is weird once you take a step back and look at it.

Theyre the kinds of games I meant, just weird and fun to play, not bothered about morals, messages or wanting to be taken seriously by the "mainstream media", just wanting to played and enjoyed.
 

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TaintedSaint said:
But come on its a half naked chick in a schoolgirl uniform killing zombies
It's not a schoolgirl uniform, it's a cheerleader uniform.

In a more serious vein: why can't we have the goofy fun stuff in addition to the sophisticated art? Every other artistic medium spans the entire spectrum from "things that are just there for fun" to "serious, thought-provoking stuff", so why not games?
 

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This is exactly what is wrong with the games as art crowd.
Can games be art? well yes of course they can.
Should all games be art? Oh hell no, Games should be fun. If you have to sacrifice the fun to make the art, its not a game any more; now is it.
 
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posting in a troll thread, have fun with your rant on your blog later op. This is a great idea for game for the simple fact that it proves people are still willing to go that extra mile with creativity to piss people off. There will never be another game like lollipop chainsaw " no matter how many squeals it may get".

There wouldn't be any more grand theft auto, twisted metal, doom or insert another blank fps game here if they didn't push the envelope before. Also face the facts it's 2012 not 1993 most voters are gamers from that generation now.
 

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I think people complaining that Lollipop Chainsaw is overly violent and has a needlessly sexualised protagonist and thus flies in the face of the "hard work" the gaming industry has done to establish gaming as a respectable artform need to pull the stick outta their ass and remember games are first and foremost entertainment and supposed to be fun.

I'm stick of every goddamn gaming taking itself too seriously, trying to have a "message", or pushing innovation for innovation's sake.

I'm going to get Lollipop Chainsaw and I'm probably going to love it. Here's why:

Created by Grasshopper Manufacture/Suda 51.
Written by James Gunn, creator of the hilarious "safe for work porn".
Music by Akira Yamaoka AND Mindless Self Indulgence.
You play as a goddamn cheerleader cutting up zombies with a goddamn chainsaw, and if it's anything like Suda's last effort, Shadows of the Damned, it'll be rife with tongue in cheek homages to great horror slasher flicks of the 80s. I believe one of Juliet's alternate costumes is Ash from The Evil Dead.

If you can't stop obsessing over the social implications of this kind of title and just enjoy it, I have to conclude that you're completely dead inside.
 

Gigano

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So game developers should just censor themselves, and save the government the trouble?

Don't really see what's won by that approach. Rights aren't worth jack shit if you can't use them. The people saying that games should be banned are worthless puritians who knows nothing of them, and catering to such filth is never the answer.
 

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I've always thought that Suda51 does these things ironically. It's SUPPOSED to be trashy and ridiculous and over-the-top so you can get a laugh out of it. And besides, Animal House or Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas are two VERY absurd movies, yet I would still call them art. Art has no limits. It doesn't have to be serious to be art. It can be absurd, demented, and just plain wrong and still be art.
 

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Porno movies, things directed by Michael Bay, and the room never stopped movies from being good. Even if this game is bad why would it?
 

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Sampler said:
TaintedSaint said:
Gaming as a whole in recent years has tried to prove to the world that it is a valid artistic medium on par with film and should be protected under the first amendment I believe games like Lollipop Chainsaw do nothing but hurt the progress
that the medium has made of the years.
People in politics over the years have said that games are too violent and have too much sex in them and this game is blatantly throwing it in everyone face. Sure the game companies can say "its a mature game kids should not play it" But come on its a half naked chick in a schoolgirl uniform killing zombies basically every 14 year old boys wet dream.
I for one and not normally one to cry that games have too much sex and violence but this game is blatantly spiting in the face of all the hard work game developers have fought for for so long.
You do realise they make shit films too? Hell Michel Bay has a career yet films are still considered an artistic medium..

Take a look at most horror films, often they juxtapose scantily clad young ladies with their high gore - no one would ever call them artistic, they're popcorn flicks, time to let the brain off for five minutes and enjoy some base sensibilities - I don't see Lollipop Chainsaw in any different light to them.

Some of the trailers it actually looks like they've retained the 'corny comedy' most b-movie horror flicks are imbued with.

Am artistic medium doesn't all have to be about art, photography is an artistic medium I enjoy a great deal, composing grand landscape images - other times I just want to look at bewbz..
This. And i'll add one more thing: how awesome are bewbz !?
 

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Suda51 is the gaming worlds answer to over the top B-Movies. Movies that we know are trashy, gratuitous, and shticky, and that's why we love them. Suda51 makes the gaming equivalent of that. High quality games that we know are nothing but blatant pandering. All the characters are fantasy fulfillment and the whole thing is supposed to be over the top. It doesn't set gaming back, it isn't a horrible idea. It is mindless fun. Something that you are supposed to sit down and enjoy because you know that it is just silly.
 

DJ_DEnM

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It's just one of those ideas Suda51 got while smoking...whatever it is he smokes.

In all seriousness, we'll see a popular opinion/reaction when the game actually comes out.
 

Reincarnatedwolfgod

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you realize if every game was an art game then games would suck
not that all art games are boring but many sacrifice fun to make a point
this for example
http://www.kongregate.com/games/LemmiBeans/one-chance
sure it's kinda interesting but gameplay wise you are just walking
then there games like okami mange to be both art and fun(imo) and also one of favorite games
the opposite form a game like that no more heros
no more heros was not trying to be art but yet it also one of my favorite games

the same way your average mindless action movie has just as much of a place as a Art films.
lets say what you say is true then why has your average mindless action movies has not ruined art films?
how did a game like journey get made when there is a new call of duty coming out every year?
what i am saying is your argument is bullshit and you know it
 

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I fail to see why we should feel that LC is going to set back the medium. We don't flip shit every time Micheal Bay makes a movie or when the person who wrote twilight rights something and claim that it is hurting those mediums. Some games are made for artistic purposes, others are just made for entertainment.