Man Forgot Loaded Handgun in His Carry-On, TSA Forgot To Notice

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Therumancer said:
My initial impression is to call "BS" on this.

I think the guy intentionally smuggled the weapon, which was not in plain sight, or had it passed to him at his destination specifically to mess with security and make a scene. Sort of like people at the casino where I worked deciding to plant false bombs so they could pretend to find them and then be "big heroes" for it, or just to try and make security look like a group of idiots, except in this case it appears he wasn't caught red handed doing it.

Simply put, if this did happen it's a sign that our security is not tight enough, probably due to all the complaints and the busy season. That or security is ironically treating Muslims with kid gloves stupidly enough. After all, this is all due to Muslim terrorists, but our domestic policies are such that singling Muslims out is wrong, so ironically with all the complaints I wouldn't be surprised if the group that should be being checked out the most intensely is being given a pass to "prove we aren't being discriminatory". It's possible that if this guy is a Muslim (and I'm guessing this is probably the case with a name like "Farid") his backround as a long time businessman might have convinced security to let him through unusually easy so they could point to him later and say "see we don't hassle all Muslims", except in this case it kind of backfired.

Still, just the fact that this made it into the media, and how idiotic it makes the system look, leads me to believe that it was set up intentionally. After all if *I* was in that position and got a gun through security accidently, the last thing I'd do is walk up and say "hey look, I got this gun through security".

If I was the guy in charge of this right now, I'd pull a "Judge Dredd", just because he admits to the crime doesn't mean it's not a crime. Time to invoke "The Patriot Act" bring him in for the most rigorous interrigation the law allows, in this country or an allied nation which is less picky (even if we're not supposed to do that) and get to the bottom of it. If it turns out that it's him trying to make a scene to undermine confidence in the system, we treat him like a terrorist, perhaps even going so far as to make it treason if he's a US citizen. If it's not, then he still brought a gun on a plane and we have a nice cell waiting for him for however many years in a regular prison it carries.

With a system this important, I think this guy did some damage by going public with it and speaking to the media. I believe strongly enough in this kind of security and the need for it at the moment that I think just letting this go is a bad move. To put it bluntly, if security fails, and someone points out a security failure which might encourage other people to exploit it, that's a problem.
actually we've known the TSA have been doing a really bad job, there was no damage done. They had their little hand-wand metal detector thingy beep at my pocket, and they asked what was in my pocket and I told them it was my wallet then they said, "oh." didn't even ask to see my wallet.

and according to you, "if this did happen it's a sign that our security is not tight enough."

and the truth is, it isn't. If you watched the little ABC clip, the TSA's testing of the TSA officers on their ability of find contraband such as guns, blades and grenades there was a 70% fail rate at major airports.

only with the US government can a 30% success rate be seen as, "oh that seems alright."

I have no idea how much brainwashing you have gone through to have so much faith in our government. "Oh, that man said our government is wrong, lets KILL HIM!" okay, not an exact quote from you, but a paraphrased idea. I have no idea what is wrong with you.

This country was founded by people who basically said, "This government sucks, lets start a new one." If it was up to people like you, America would have never separated from the British. now who is unpatriotic? your argument is in direct disagreement with the founding fathers.

When someone discovers something wrong with the government we have the right to say, "Hey, you guys screwed up, and you're not fixing it. What's wrong with you?" And that is exactly what this man did, and you want to imprison this man for being a terrorist for doing something that betters our government by doing his American duty by revealing our flaws so we know what to fix? What's wrong with you?

You're trying to paint this as some sort of conspiracy against the country? Well it isn't. The simple truth is that our government isn't perfect and you're trying to just glaze this over as if the TSA are perfect warriors of justice and freedom. To be honest with you, that is un-American and just downright lazy.
 
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rembrandtqeinstein said:
congratulations osama, you beat the USA:

[image src="http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/terminal01/2010/12/6/14/and-then-the-tsa-touch-their-balls-31918-1291665555-50.jpg"]
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the terrorists are laughing their asses off at us right now.

No joke, I bet they even have a drinking game. Every time some person in power in the US makes a stupid decision they take a shot. Looks like our leaders are trying to make the terrorists drink themselves to death...
 

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onebignumbskull said:
A few trips ago I had an overloaded hold bag, so reckoned I'd save weight by taking my metalwork toolkit in my carry-on. (For no logical reason they don't weigh your carry-on.) I realised I'd better put the sharpies in my hold bag, and the airport advised me to not have the hammer or pliers either, so that left a lot of little jewellery bits, some strips of metal for making bracelets, and the six-inch bit of railway line I use for an anvil.

Yes, they stopped me for the anvil. I'm like, say what? They said, you could hit someone over the head with that. Picture this... I'm taking over this plane, I've got a lump of iron and I'm not afraid to use it!
I think the agent you were talking too watched too many Loony Toons
 

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Was his ballsack thouroughly inspected for explosives? Thats all that matters these days.

Still Americans, it must be worth it. To be "gateraped" and still have a 70% chance of being killed on a plane. The confidence you have in your security measures must be at an all time high.

(yeah, it was sarcasm)
 

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if i owned an airline, i would take a lesson from i believe saints row 2, everybody gets a gun, but with one bullet, or even just a tazor, if everyone on the plane is armed with a tazor then noone is going to be taking over that plane.
 

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Broken Orange said:
This shows that this TSA crap is just theatrics. Gives the illusions of security. You are more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist. God bless America.
This. The worst part is that the general public is so ignorant that they will not even bother to voice their thoughts about this, even if they even have the insight to have any in the first place.

Thank god I don't live in the states; that's a sinking ship if I've ever seen one. Unluckily, here in Canada the Conservative government is more than glad to be dragged down along with them.
 

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so a 12 year can't take a teddy bear on board a palne but this guy can waltz right on through with a loaded handgun? congratulations,the system fails yet again.
 

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justcallmeslow said:
I find it worrying enough that people can wander around with loaded handguns, let alone take them on planes. Every part of this story is silly.
Dont forget that this took place in Texas, everyone carries guns here!
 

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TSA can't do anything. it's just for show. If you want to sneak something through security you will.
 

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Therumancer said:
With a system this important, I think this guy did some damage by going public with it and speaking to the media. I believe strongly enough in this kind of security and the need for it at the moment that I think just letting this go is a bad move. To put it bluntly, if security fails, and someone points out a security failure which might encourage other people to exploit it, that's a problem.
And if some shady individuals discovered a weakness in security, and the public didn't know, they could sell it to organizations who would then exploit the weakness in FAR more destructive fashion. Better for the public to be aware of how the TSA can't even accomplish basic screening despite its insistence on invasive procedures to nullify miniscule risks - that way, something can get done to deal with the fundamentals.
 

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Therumancer said:
My initial impression is to call "BS" on this.

I think the guy intentionally smuggled the weapon, which was not in plain sight, or had it passed to him at his destination specifically to mess with security and make a scene. Sort of like people at the casino where I worked deciding to plant false bombs so they could pretend to find them and then be "big heroes" for it, or just to try and make security look like a group of idiots, except in this case it appears he wasn't caught red handed doing it.

Simply put, if this did happen it's a sign that our security is not tight enough, probably due to all the complaints and the busy season. That or security is ironically treating Muslims with kid gloves stupidly enough. After all, this is all due to Muslim terrorists, but our domestic policies are such that singling Muslims out is wrong, so ironically with all the complaints I wouldn't be surprised if the group that should be being checked out the most intensely is being given a pass to "prove we aren't being discriminatory". It's possible that if this guy is a Muslim (and I'm guessing this is probably the case with a name like "Farid") his backround as a long time businessman might have convinced security to let him through unusually easy so they could point to him later and say "see we don't hassle all Muslims", except in this case it kind of backfired.

Still, just the fact that this made it into the media, and how idiotic it makes the system look, leads me to believe that it was set up intentionally. After all if *I* was in that position and got a gun through security accidently, the last thing I'd do is walk up and say "hey look, I got this gun through security".

If I was the guy in charge of this right now, I'd pull a "Judge Dredd", just because he admits to the crime doesn't mean it's not a crime. Time to invoke "The Patriot Act" bring him in for the most rigorous interrigation the law allows, in this country or an allied nation which is less picky (even if we're not supposed to do that) and get to the bottom of it. If it turns out that it's him trying to make a scene to undermine confidence in the system, we treat him like a terrorist, perhaps even going so far as to make it treason if he's a US citizen. If it's not, then he still brought a gun on a plane and we have a nice cell waiting for him for however many years in a regular prison it carries.

With a system this important, I think this guy did some damage by going public with it and speaking to the media. I believe strongly enough in this kind of security and the need for it at the moment that I think just letting this go is a bad move. To put it bluntly, if security fails, and someone points out a security failure which might encourage other people to exploit it, that's a problem.
actually we've known the TSA have been doing a really bad job, there was no damage done. They had their little hand-wand metal detector thingy beep at my pocket, and they asked what was in my pocket and I told them it was my wallet then they said, "oh." didn't even ask to see my wallet.

and according to you, "if this did happen it's a sign that our security is not tight enough."

and the truth is, it isn't. If you watched the little ABC clip, the TSA's testing of the TSA officers on their ability of find contraband such as guns, blades and grenades there was a 70% fail rate at major airports.

only with the US government can a 30% success rate be seen as, "oh that seems alright."

I have no idea how much brainwashing you have gone through to have so much faith in our government. "Oh, that man said our government is wrong, lets KILL HIM!" okay, not an exact quote from you, but a paraphrased idea. I have no idea what is wrong with you.

This country was founded by people who basically said, "This government sucks, lets start a new one." If it was up to people like you, America would have never separated from the British. now who is unpatriotic? your argument is in direct disagreement with the founding fathers.

When someone discovers something wrong with the government we have the right to say, "Hey, you guys screwed up, and you're not fixing it. What's wrong with you?" And that is exactly what this man did, and you want to imprison this man for being a terrorist for doing something that betters our government by doing his American duty by revealing our flaws so we know what to fix? What's wrong with you?

You're trying to paint this as some sort of conspiracy against the country? Well it isn't. The simple truth is that our government isn't perfect and you're trying to just glaze this over as if the TSA are perfect warriors of justice and freedom. To be honest with you, that is un-American and just downright lazy.

Really, you should check yourself. What your saying makes absolutly no sense in regards to what I actually said. It seems to me that you wanted to go off on a rant about me being pro-American and jumped off on a tangent that really has nothing to do with anything.

I agreed, our security needs to be tighter. Truthfully, it's one of those cases where our concept of civil liberties in cases like this has gotten to the point where we are afraid to inconveinence people.

I also never said we should take action against this guy for "pointing out flaws with our system", I even pointed out that I think it's possible they might have let him through effectively unsearched for reasons related to political correctness, which itself is a problem.

Also it's a failing if the guy was handed a gun on the way out, since transferring a weapon like that on airport property shouldn't be that easy either.

Also there is no unlikely "conspiricy against the goverment" here, people do crap like this all the time to mess with security systems or make anti-authoritarian points. It's similar to someone on the inside causing a fake bomb scare so they can make it look like something got past security, and come accross as a big hero for finding the "dummy device". It happens.

As far as killing him, I never said any such thing. I think the climate is such, and the security issues are important enough, where the guy needs to be heavily investigated. What's more there is a differance between pointing out a problem with a security system, and going to the media and pointing out "hey look! I made a mockery out of the security system!". The guy's behavior in response to this entire thing is abysmal, and I think he deserves to be made an example out of.

It's sort of like someone running a guy over with a car, and then coming back and saying "hey, I didn't realize I hit the guy until I found human flesh in the grill of my car, yeah it was a hit and run, but I'm telling you all about it now so it should all be cool now..."

See, the thing is if you don't do anything about this then it's the same kind of problem that's hurting the system as a whole.

In the end though your entirely correct, they need to get a lot more serious about this, and stop caring about customer service or who they offend. You either deal with it, or you don't fly.
 

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too busy doing the body checks to notice the gun-shaped object on the scanners, eh?

rembrandtqeinstein said:
congratulations osama, you beat the USA:

[image src="http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/terminal01/2010/12/6/14/and-then-the-tsa-touch-their-balls-31918-1291665555-50.jpg"]
pretty much that...

for the record, this is an instance when the US should really look at what Israel is doing (in terms of airport security)
 

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Good job article, scare people more. Perhaps we should all get completely naked, and then unpack and pack our suitcase into a provided Air Safety Travelling Device.
 

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This is why I don't fly.

Not because people can bring loaded handguns onto the plane but because they put you through all of that security bullshit and someone can still bring a loaded fucking gun onto the plane.

It doesn't make me feel safer. It makes me rather drive or take the bus or just stay home.

Fuck aviation.
 

Therumancer

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Tohron said:
Therumancer said:
With a system this important, I think this guy did some damage by going public with it and speaking to the media. I believe strongly enough in this kind of security and the need for it at the moment that I think just letting this go is a bad move. To put it bluntly, if security fails, and someone points out a security failure which might encourage other people to exploit it, that's a problem.
And if some shady individuals discovered a weakness in security, and the public didn't know, they could sell it to organizations who would then exploit the weakness in FAR more destructive fashion. Better for the public to be aware of how the TSA can't even accomplish basic screening despite its insistence on invasive procedures to nullify miniscule risks - that way, something can get done to deal with the fundamentals.
However, your assuming that the guy is being honest about what happened here. I personally am not buying it. I also tend to disagree with you, if there is a problem with security that's for the sky marshals and airport security to address. Sort of like if someone was to somehow find a way into one of the cages at a casino where I worked (impossible, but for the sake of argument) and then decide to go and tell everyone how he did it. The casino would probably ban him from the facility, and quite probably press criminal tresspassing charges on him. If he was really unlucky he'd have the pleasure of being made to stand before the tribal court where a lot of the outside laws don't apply (but that pretty much never happens in serious matters, but it can). All depends on how much he irritated people.

As I pointed out in my rant however, I think a big part of the issue is that due to the civil liberties complaints, and the fact that airlines are a business, the airline security forces are pretty much going through the motions. Annoy a customer too bad and the security goober (dog and pony show) is the one liable to lose their job. The fact that there haven't been any major incidents for a very long time makes people complacent, and the airlines (who have money issues themselves) are a business and want to put butts in seats and care more about that than anything, especially when they get to the point where they don't believe there is any genuine danger.

Security becoming increasingly toothless is also one of the big reasons why I think this guy was F@cking with them. It happens when people aren't afraid of the authority figures, and this guy getting away with it means that more people are going to do it. Heck, even if it was genuine, the guy walking away is going to convince more people to mess with the system, or convince them they don't need to be careful or anything "heck, I'll bring anything I want on board, and then claim it was an accident if I'm caught!".

Let me illustrate the problem. When I worked for the casinos, I had to undergo all kinds of training and classes periodically. In the end though, all I really did was talk to people, engage in deterrance by the numbers (backup), and see a lot of paperwork filled out. The reason being that truely securing the casino would involve controlling people to an extreme degree, and security becoming a bunch of tyrants. Nobody is going to want to come to a casino and relax if they are constantly being "harassed" for their safety. There is a tiny chance of anything happening, you might see a major incident like something out of a movie once a decade or so (if even that), that's not worth chasing off the customers. Besides if someone DID come in and rob the casino, or blow portions of the place up, the casino would just play the victim, and recoup the damages via it's insurance. Terrorists blow up Foxwoods, very few people are going to be saying "why didn't Casino security stop these guys". We did just enough with bag searches and stuff to make it look like we cared, and to make people think they were safer, while not pursueing anything or going after anyone who was paticularly resistant... it's a bloody show. I received a certificate from Homeland security and most of my job pretty much revolved around chasing kids around (too young to be on the gaming floor), and doing alcohol shut offs.

We're dealing with the same problem when it comes to airport security. I doubt the guys running the planes care much about passenger safety in the end, because of insurance. The big problem with terrorism in their minds is going to be the period of people being scared of air travel for a little while after a plane is blown up or hijacked.

Likewise, the fact that our laws so far prevent profiling, means that the group we're supposed to be watching can't be singled out. We can't just pretty much let people go with regular security, and then scrutinize Muslims specifically and subject them to ultra-security despite the current war. The fact that security is playing politics (as I kind of mentioned) means that they themselves are not going to be taking it seriously.

It's a touchy subject all around. None of that is paticularly relevent to the fact that this guy either had a gun on an airplane, or is trying to make it look like he did. Either way he's trying to make a show for the media. Right now he should have the book thrown at him as an example. Since he got loud and public, airport security should be doing the same thing and handing him over to the authorities who should make a big deal about how unpleasant the next few years of this guy's life (or perhaps the next few decades of it) are going to be. It's not like the guy is innocent, I mean he himself says he had the gun.