Mar-A-Lago Raid

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Ah! Okay, now it makes sense. Trump isn't a traitor, he didn't commit high crimes against the United States and sell our national secrets for debt relief...he's a toddler with no comprehension of other people's property.
I've known he's a toddler in the body of an 80 year old man for years now. My 5 year old has more patience and better manners then he does. She doesn't scream into twitter at 3 am to boot.
 

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Quick reminder, in the context of "Trump wanted to keep things for vanity, not to sell government secrets", we still don't know what the classified documents actually included. The ultra high level mega classified stuff could be things like a personal letter from a foreign leader or the details of how Trump was transported to and from a major event (which is obviously a highly classified document beforehand but utterly harmless now). There may have been literally nothing consequential to national security in Mar-a-Lago.
 

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Quick reminder, in the context of "Trump wanted to keep things for vanity, not to sell government secrets", we still don't know what the classified documents actually included. The ultra high level mega classified stuff could be things like a personal letter from a foreign leader or the details of how Trump was transported to and from a major event (which is obviously a highly classified document beforehand but utterly harmless now). There may have been literally nothing consequential to national security in Mar-a-Lago.
Completely irrelevant. The documents are marked as classified and are product and property of the US government departments that created them. Unless they went through the declassification process and were obtained as authorised copies under some like a Freedom of Information request, they had no business being where they were even while Donald Trump was President, and even less so after he was no longer holding that office.

And hey, shit happens. People forget things - though this is a worryingly large thing to slip one’s mind - and had Mr. Trump discovered all these documents still in his possession and just told the Secret Service to come and get them it would have been largely no harm no foul. Maybe he gets a talking to about proper document handling or something but it would not have turned into this.
 

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...but it would not have turned into this.
That's where you're wrong. They made a bunch of noise about how Trump might be selling US nuclear secrets until just before an election, and then afterwards suddenly realized he had nothing there to sell. They were going to investigate him for something no matter what he did, and there'd be no meaningful difference in the outcome, and Twitter and Reddit will continue crying about how he could possibly keep getting away with these heinous crimes that never get prosecuted.
 

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I mean whatever. Ten bucks says we know how this ends up. I'll give Trump this, when he said he was above the law, he wasn't wrong. Dude isn't even one one thousandth as smart as he thinks he is, but he is as immune to consequences.
 

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So it looks like he will be arraigned on Tuesday. Although this trial is going to be a nightmare. How can you have a jury learn about the severity of the top secret documents being stolen and sold when they can't be cleared to even know the documents exist, let alone the content?
And although they will keep the jurors secret, that document will be the single most important document kept by the US government, and guaranteed the court officers voted for Trump and will leak the names out. And guess who the proud boys will kill next?
 
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So there's a recording of Trump discussing the documents from after he was no longer President-- at least some of which pertain to a theoretical attack on Iran.

Some fantastic direct quotes:

As president, I could have declassified, but now I can’t.
Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this. This was done by the military and given to me.
All sorts of stuff – pages long, look. Wait a minute, let’s see here. I just found, isn’t that amazing? This totally wins my case, you know. Except it is like, highly confidential. Secret. This is secret information. Look.
 

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Why hasn't this guy been detained and held for questioning?
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Sharlet went through and defined the phrases the congressman deployed and determined he was calling for a "county-level insurrection" in response to Trump's federal indictment, which Higgins characterized as an act of war.

"Take this seriously," Sharlet said. “'Perimeter probe': Higgins thinks indictment precedes bigger attack. 'rPOTUS': real POTUS,' Trump. 'Hold': 'stand back & stand by.' 'Buckle up': prepare for war. '1/50 k': military scale maps. 'Know your bridges': militia speak for prepare to seize bridges."
 
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Why hasn't this guy been detained and held for questioning?
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Sharlet went through and defined the phrases the congressman deployed and determined he was calling for a "county-level insurrection" in response to Trump's federal indictment, which Higgins characterized as an act of war.

"Take this seriously," Sharlet said. “'Perimeter probe': Higgins thinks indictment precedes bigger attack. 'rPOTUS': real POTUS,' Trump. 'Hold': 'stand back & stand by.' 'Buckle up': prepare for war. '1/50 k': military scale maps. 'Know your bridges': militia speak for prepare to seize bridges."
Remember its only terrorism when black kids are walking down the street. When whites say to blow up bridges and kill politicians, its just "second amendment remedies". Its just good ol' boys practicing their freedoms.
Remember during the 2008 election Sarah Palin tweeted out a map of the US with democratic lawmakers faces under crosshairs with the phrase "time for some second amendment remedies". Openly calling for the assassination of politicians. The result? Brazzers made a porn parody of her, and Lisa Ann took some black dick. That was the world's entire reaction.

Also looks like Trump's lawyers call it quits: https://www.npr.org/live-updates/trump-indictment-documents-grand-jury#trumps-lawyers-just-resigned
 
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Indictment is unsealed, so it's available to read now.

* documents included ones related to foreign countries' nuclear capabilities, other military capabilities of the US and other countries.
* Shared at least twice with people who did not have any security clearance, one of which instances is recorded.
* Were stored in several places around Mar-a-Lago, including in a bathroom & shower, and bedroom (pics in the indictment).
 
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Indictment is unsealed, so it's available to read now.

* documents included ones related to foreign countries' nuclear capabilities, other military capabilities of the US and other countries.
* Shared at least twice with people who did not have any security clearance, one of which instances is recorded.
* Were stored in several places around Mar-a-Lago, including in a bathroom & shower, and bedroom (pics in the indictment).
lock her up
 
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I don't blame his lawyers for quitting: Trump directly lied to their faces about about everything

 
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Oh fucking great. The crazy unqualified judge who granted Trump the special master is going to oversee this case. So there goes any chance of Trump getting punished.
Wait... The one that the Appeals Court slapped down by saying (in discreet judicial language) she made a boneheadedly indefensible decision?

Mm.

Mind you, I also note that a prosecuting lawyer allegedly attempted to bribe / threaten the lawyer of Trump's indicted valet around an application to be a judge, which if true means there is no case too high profile for a dickhead prosecutor to spoil with some impropriety.
 

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* Shared at least twice with people who did not have any security clearance, one of which instances is recorded.
When he left office, I said he'd be a security risk because he would compulsively try to show off and curry favour by blabbing sensitive information.

I just never expected him to be able to show them the documentation, too.
 

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Indictment is unsealed, so it's available to read now.

* documents included ones related to foreign countries' nuclear capabilities, other military capabilities of the US and other countries.
* Shared at least twice with people who did not have any security clearance, one of which instances is recorded.
* Were stored in several places around Mar-a-Lago, including in a bathroom & shower, and bedroom (pics in the indictment).
But it's okay, because Trump can do whatever he wants since he's going to bring all the baby-eating pedophile lizard people to justice!
 

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But it's okay, because Trump can do whatever he wants since he's going to bring all the baby-eating pedophile lizard people to justice!
But when they asked Biden and Pence if they had any documents, they let the authorities in for a thorough search and a couple were found. IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME!
 

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Oh fucking great. The crazy unqualified judge who granted Trump the special master is going to oversee this case. So there goes any chance of Trump getting punished.
I see this as fine news. She tried some really stupid nonsense and he's still indicted. All that will happen is that it might get delayed.

As far I understand, this is a continuation of a the case so she should be involved. But she is no longer doing this solo and the judges who overturned her nonsense doesn't have to wait for the appeals process to intercede. It also doesn't mean she will be overseeing court proceedings
 

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When he left office, I said he'd be a security risk because he would compulsively try to show off and curry favour by blabbing sensitive information.

I just never expected him to be able to show them the documentation, too.
Yeah, I really don't understand how there is so much tape recording going on. Is he recording an autobiography at the same time as he does crimes? Why would you keep it? He cooks his own case before it even gets started
 
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Yeah, I really don't understand how there is so much tape recording going on. Is he recording an autobiography at the same time as he does crimes? Why would you keep it? He cooks his own case before it even gets started
Well, yes, but at risk of pointing out the obvious, is it ever likely to matter to him?