Microsoft Addresses Xbox One Concerns

[Little Gray]

"Every Xbox One owner has a broadband connection," you mean to say "Every Xbox One owner WILL HAVE TO HAVE a broadband connection,". What ever happened to the good old days when you brought something, it was yours, forever, to use when you want, how you want. GAMES /= SERVICE "

Steam happened. They started the trend of stopping used games and turning them into a service instead.

 

[FieryTrainwreck]

Is there any way MS doesn't become the clear target for Anonymous and every other hacker collective on the planet? I know that's where I'd be focusing my hacking efforts were I such a person. Trying to erode ownership concepts in favor of billion dollar corporations? Nah, let's just brick every Xbone in the world by repeatedly crashing MS servers.

 

[Little Gray]

"Every Xbox One owner has a broadband connection," you mean to say "Every Xbox One owner WILL HAVE TO HAVE a broadband connection,". What ever happened to the good old days when you brought something, it was yours, forever, to use when you want, how you want. GAMES /= SERVICE "

Steam happened. They started the trend of stopping used games and turning them into a service instead.

GOG happened with no DRM at all.

and consoles =/= PCs

And? GOG is mostly 10+ year old games that never had drm on them in the first place.

If developers see something that works on the pc they will try it on the console and vise versa.

 

[Smiley Face]

You know what, personally, I can live with this.

I know plenty of people won't be, and they definitely have good reasons for that, but my guess is that most of the problems that people will have with it won't affect me personally.

I know it might sound rather arrogant to say that, but I don't mean it to be, honestly.

Now all I personally need to know is what kind of games are coming out for it.

It is not arrogant, it is just the kind of attitude MS is counting on. People that don't care if their right as consumers go backwards because they are not too much inconvenienced.

Or people that will subject to inconvenience if the games are good.

That's fair, I guess, but somewhat sad at the same time.

I concur, which is why, despite my preference for the Xbox controller and long history with the 360, it's increasingly likely that I'm not going to go anywhere near the Xbone. Sure, I don't lend games to friends more than once. Sure, I buy most of my games new. Sure, I'm usually online. Sure, I don't present any info to the kinect that I'm concerned about. But it's possible that I might get cut off from the internet for some reason, that once cloud support is discontinued, games might cease to work, that Microsoft might introduce some new and exciting bullshit. And to reward them as a company for doing this just encourages it from them and others in the future, and it's ridiculous.

All I see are negatives that probably won't affect me, but I don't see ANY positives. At all. Add to that Sony's superior track record with exclusives, and the fact that the Kinect is going to make the Xbone more Xpensive than the PS4, and unless E3 changes my mind, farewell Microsoft.

 

[Snotnarok]

You'd think they'd backpeddle on some of the flipping out on the net but instead they just confirmed how shit it's going to be. BUT since CoD is an exclusive on this for the consoles it will be bought by a bunch of caving goons.

 

[ritchards]

"As for additional personal data, "you can play games or enjoy applications that use data, such as videos, photos, facial expressions, heart rate and more, but this data will not leave your Xbox One without your explicit permission.""

Allow me to complete that sentence:

"which you gave when you brought an Xbone."

 

[Beautiful End]

Well, I'm not a big fan of Microsoft to begin with. I do have an Xbox mostly to play CoD and Gears with my friends, Minecraft and L4D. So if I was to buy a next gen console, which I'm still undecided about, I'd go with the PS4. This whole thing only makes my decision easier.

I understand that some people might not have a problem with all of those conditions, but for someone like me, it is impossible to get one. I don't play every day anymore, I don't always play online, I don't care much about the Kinect, my internet is unreliable and I mostly buy used games and sell and trade them.

Ever since this last gen of consoles, I began complaining about how my current console is turning into everything but a gaming console. I still long for the days where all I had to do was pop in the cartridge and play. and now its getting worse. I know its just the gaming market trying to keep up with the current technology but still...

Am I getting old...? Oh, glob...

 

[RoBi3.0]

And so the actual price of the Xbox will not be what they will announce You'll have to add the extra 50-60$ to have xbox live. Cause otherwise the system will not play any games.

If Live becomes free then that's another thing.

Xbox live gold gives the the ability to play online games and watch steaming TV services. Nothing more with a Xbox live silver (free) membership you can still access Microsoft servers to buy games and movies. I see no reason to assume that this will not continue to be the case. In other word you will not need gold to keep your Xbox from bricking after 24 hours.

 

[Gray Firion]

The. Sheer. Arrogance. Is. Staggering...

Licensing games? No. Buying and Selling games. I don't license games from Game. I don't licence games from Steam or GOG. I BUY them. Money is exchanged for specific goods. Bought on Steam, I can download them and keep them installed in my computer. If the connection fails, I can still play the games I installed, since they are products that I own. The current Xbox Live Service? THAT is licensed. It's a service that "needs" to be paid in order to work.

And Friends are only able to share a game ONCE?! What if my friends, who for the sake of argument made the spectacularly bad decision of buying a Xbone in the future, want to lend a game to more than 1 friend? They just can't? They BOUGHT it! They should be able to lend it to however many people as they please!

What, did something happen during the last 2 or so years to change the way the Buyer/consumer relationship, established well over 10000 years ago? GEEZ!

/breathe out

'Kay. I'll start warning every X360 owner I know about what they'll be in for if they buy an Xbone. They're friends, I cherish my friends. Even for those that aren't friendships, I see no reason why not to warn them anyway.

 

[KoudelkaMorgan]

The rumors are true: you must connect once a day in order to play your games. That you bought. What about gamers without that capability? They don't exist. "Every Xbox One owner has a broadband connection," Major Nelson writes, and because of this, "developers can create massive, persistent worlds that evolve even when you're not playing."

Lolwut? Can someone explain this retarded reasoning to me? His rationale doesn't even address the premise. It's like he said "Bears are big so that the ocean can be wet". Developers creating massive persistent worlds has nothing to do with every console owner having a broadband connection [that is required to be working or used every day to check in with Microsoft]. I added that last part because he must have obviously meant it, otherwise he's a dishonest piece of shit trying to minimize the onerous requirement for their console. Anyway, you know what massive persistent world only requires an internet connection when the person wants to play in that persistent world and doesn't give a damn if the person has an internet connection at any other time? Every MMO ever!

I was never going to buy an Xbone, but that statment does make me want to see a T-Shirt with "Bears are so big so that the ocean can be wet." on it. That could be a thing, people would probably buy that.

Unlike the XBone.

 

[Username Redacted]

Well this won't be an issue for a year or two but I'm glad that the tournament standard for the next generation of fighting games has likely just been decided. There is no way in hell to run a tournament where ever bleeding console needs to check in every single day over a 3-4 day period in a hotel or convention center. It just isn't happening.

captcha: i'm sorry

Well I'm sorry too Xbone.

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

Hey Microsoft, EA called! They want their stupid back!

Seriously the sheer amount of anti-consumer BS they've announced is staggering.

 

[KeyMaster45]

I want to buy this console, then I want to smash it to bits, put those bits in a box, shit in said box, then mail it to Microsoft's offices.

While I appreciate somebody finally coming forward and saying something, (shows that there are at least a few people with some semblance of a spine over there) the confirmation of all the rumors has only increased my rage. I would rather burn the money I'd have used to buy the console than encourage these business practices.

The summary of my current feeling towards Microsoft's gaming division is as follows:

 

[Imper1um]

I laugh at this "announcement." It only gets worse.

"Oh hey, I'm sorry we were vague about our really bad policies, let us iterate that our policies are indeed terrible."
Let's break this down.

1. The big problem with ALL of the wording is "Publishers may." In both occurrences of the Used Games issue, they cleverly hide in the wording that "Publishers can turn off the used/turn in/transfer game functions." However, this wording is not exactly correct; "Publishers can choose when you can turn in a used game to a retailer, or give to your friend." If they don't like Used Games, they can turn that stuff off. So, any Electronic Arts games...get ready for 1 copy to 1 console.

2. A game can only be gifted to a friend once. This means that if you want to let them borrow it for a week, you also have to give them your gamer profile for a week. Otherwise, they get it permanently. They can trade it into GameStop afterwards, but no lending of games for a small period of time.

3. "participating retailers" is vague, and everyone KNOWS it means that GameStop and GAME stores will be your only two choices, maybe one other in countries without those two...but you'll be looking at one choice to turn in your used games. So, if they want to give you $5 for that latest CoDogs that came out two weeks ago...that's about all you can get for it.

4. ...and with their mention that "you must connect every 24 hours to Xbox Live to play the console." every Armed Forces will now purchase a PS4.

 

[dreadedcandiru99]

"With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library."

With Xbox 360, I can game offline as long as I fucking want. This is not an improvement.

"Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies."

I can watch live TV and enjoy movies now. I don't need a game console to watch TV or movies. I've never needed a game console to watch TV or movies. I need a game console to play games.

"Every Xbox One owner has a broadband connection," Major Nelson writes, and because of this, "developers can create massive, persistent worlds that evolve even when you're not playing."

I don't give a shit about massive persistent worlds that evolve when I'm not playing. I can't imagine why I would. How the hell is this a selling point, anyway? "Stuff's happening when you're not around to see it! Radical, huh?"

Finally, you can breathe easy knowing that the new Kinect will not be spying on you, as long as you don't want it to.

Well, that's generous of them. I'd breathe even easier if I didn't need the Kinect at all, though. As it stands, it won't be spying on me because I'll never have it in my house.

 

[Whytewulf]

I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. And I could hook up to the internet once every 24 hours. But I don't want to be forced to. I also don't want a bloody camera looking at me.. At this time, I will not buy this machine. I reserve the right to change my mind.. but this is a big.. "We will control how you game" COme on someone with deep pockets, create a console that plays GAMES!

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Because there are no such things as blackouts ~_~

Actually, there aren't for a few of us.

I live in a complex that has it's own power system. Since 2008, there have been no less than six times that the area around me has had a major power outage. Like we're talking weeks.

And I sat here nice and toasty with my lights on and everything. My steam didn't work because I didn't learn about offline mode until after the first time.

But I could always rely on my Xbox. Pop in Oblivion, practice my skills in guilty gear or tekken... All gone.

I salute you, Microsoft. You decided to go down with the ship in massive fashion. We shall light a bonfire in the memory of what you once were.

 

[synobal]

Sounds like Xbone buyers are getting the retarded half cousin of steam, but hey at least you guys will still be able to watch tv, and blueray video.

 

[elilupe]

This reminds me of a certain lyric from a song by the great Eef Barzelay, "I can't take comfort in the fact that it could be worse."

 

[Falsename]

Why are preowned/used/borrowed games such a freaking sin!?

I used to enjoy the knowledge that I could experiment with a video game I was hesitant about, and if it was shit I could return it (Medal of Honour Warfighter for example. Yes I returned it).

That's the 'real' reason for this 'always online' crap. They want to monitor you and make sure you're not preowning anyone else's games! It's ridiculous!

Preowned games aren't that bad a thing. It's like McDonalds saying 'We're making money, which is good. But we could be making more than this so lets start charging customers who want to take a straw or napkin from now on'.


Xbox One, you suck and I hate you and for the love of god if you don't fix this 'always online', 'no preowned games' crap before the release then you're going to be in a world of sadness when Bill finds out the sales of your next gen console sucked harder than a vacuum cleaner.