Modern Warfare 3 Ditches Commando Perk

[Jaime_Wolf]

Oh look, a thread where I can complain about perks I don't like!

Edit: After further review: Oh look, a thread where I can complain about a game I don't like!

(To join in the fray somewhat: games should have "noob" weapons like the noobtube. Good games have weapons that give newbies a chance, but end up being far less effective than other weapons in the long run. That is good game design even if you are so "pro" that you don't like the occaisional newbie getting lucky against you. Without newbie weapons, far fewer people would get into the game in the first place.)

 

[DrStupid87]

Or if you and your enemy are facing each other, open up a quick fire knife fight with balance?

I'm sorry, I didn't get much sleep and I'm dead tired, but I don't quite follow what you're saying after the comma.

No problem. The way I see this idea in my head is suppose you and an enemy close in on each other, you'd normally try to knife them first and only one guy could win.
Suppose instead of "who did it first" there was a little skilled minigame that opened up when two enemies (who were facing each other) tried to knife the other one, the minigame would be a test of reflexes and whoever won it killed the other player. Maybe a kind of qte thing.

Say the attacker is trying to stab you, they set the pace by trying to stab you in this knife fight, that then generates a response that the defender can respond to but they have to be quick or die.

This wouldn't work if they were behind an enemy however. That would still be a one hit kill thing because you just can't let your guard down in that game.

That any better explained?

 

[DrStupid87]

Also noob-tubing.

Nah. Explosives are great fun. Just reduce the damage they do or give a third of the points of a regular kill to make it less rewarding to use it. Or do what blops did and prevent scavenger from letting you pick up explosives.

And flak Jacket... dont forget flak jacket.

That perk saved my ass when ever I came a cross a team of explosive spammers.

Very true.
I never bothered using it because there are surprisingly less people that use the tubes in Blops then MW2. Plus I'm usually quick enough to shoot them as I tend to be close quarters.
It did however save me during domination matches where semtex magically appeared next to a point I was trying to capture.

 

[DrStupid87]

I never understood how not wearing underwear allowed you to leap greater distances. I suppose it is less restrictive.

I'm glad they're addressing certain issues, but with so many perks it's impossible to balance right. They should have just stuck with pre made classes.

agreed

NOOOO!

I think the reason tonnes of people play COD nowadays is because of the whole customisation thing. I for one love it. Where I feel like I can set up exactly how I want for each fight rather than being forced to choose with the standard premades.

It's just more enjoyable.
"This is MY gun!"
"OI! You robbed my gun, give it back"
"I have to work towards getting better gear for my gun"

You take this element of customisation away and you go back to the old days. Sure they were fun but aren't games about trying new ideas?

 

[teh_Canape]

Just get rid of knives in general and I'll be a happy man.

yeah, go back to using the gun's butt, at least it was more credible than pulling out a knife and slicing someone that quickly, while holding an M60

 

[karloss01]

Just get rid of knives in general and I'll be a happy man.

I agree with this, that stupid knife drives me crazy.

At least make it a two hit kill, this ridiculous ability for players to get accidental kills by squeezing the analogue stick too hard has to go.

i would prefer the knife to either work like Battlefield's or MAG's versions.

(In case no one has played either)

Battlefields was almost the same principle but it took a lot longer to draw and stab the knife, making it only for stealth kills though could be used as a last resort if timed well.

MAG's on the other hand was slightly slower then cods and dealt light damage to the front and sides of a person but heavy damage to the back of the opponant thus not a one hit kill weapon but a weapon to gain an advantage on a unknowing foe.

that aside the COD knife was a bit of a easy win method, even i did the ninja stuff (though i was usually using a P90 as well).

also remove or reign in the Kill Streak awards, COD4 was the only sensible one that worked as you didn't have a team dominating a map because they stacked all their kill streaks and unleashed a horde of Dogs, remote controlled car bombs, player controlled miniguns and nukes.

EDIT: plus they could always go back and use the butt of the gun.

 

[Dogstile]

A response for both of you; most people dont use these things in MW2 for the same reason that most people dont go up to strangers and kick them in the balls; they dont want to act like an asshole and have a sense of decency. Of course, there is a big gap between the two, and the UMP45 isnt going to ruin any lives, but, still. Every player that doesnt act this way gets very frustrated when they are one kill away from a harrier and someone commando lunges them, or noobtubes them, or goes into painkiller and takes a whole magazine to the face.

So, I beg you, acquire a sense of decency when you play online. Also, why are you two acting like im the only one who hates this shit? Protip: the entire fan base of Modern Warfare wishes you didnt exist. You guys are shunned as much as hackers, maybe even more. And commando makes it more realistic? Dude, WHAT? How the... Whens the last time you saw a guy zip across a room clearing 5 meters like hes on roller skates?

These "whiny unwritten rules" make the game playable. If MW2 had dedicated servers you would be banned from every single one in a week, and with good reason. Boy am I going to be glad when I can finally switch to BF3. Never have to deal with you players again, just ban and play on.

A sense of decency? Don't make me laugh. I would rate myself by far more decent than most of the playerbase because I can take being killed at 24 kills while being /that/ close to a nuke. Its not like kicking a stranger in the balls, if someones going to kill me in a game, i'm going to launch a noobtube at them and kill them back. That's not being a dick with no decency, that's being competitive.

Its not like you're the only one who hates it, but you're definitely as immature as the rest of the people who hate the way I play. I use what's available to me. I don't ***** and scream at other people who "cheaply" kill me. I accept that he got the drop on me and move the hell on.

I'll see you in BF3 then, grenade launchers aren't nearly as effective and the only reason I would possibly be banned is because the admin of the server would just get tired of me killing them over and over. Which happens a fair bit.

Christ, I wish I could play online without the hassle of having to deal with people, because people suck.

Edit:

And jeez, its a game. I dunno why people get so annoyed when its COD. Nobody rages when you stick someone in halo and they just charge at you to take you with them. Nobody gets pissed when you run into a room full of people and shoot a rocket, taking you all out.

 

[Sethzard]

I didn't mind commando, it could be a bit overpowerd at times but it wasn't that bad. I want them to get rid of fucking second chance though.

 

[Leviathan_]

Yes, let's casualize CoD even more, surely that'll make it a better game.

 

[Hazy]

Get rid of any permutations of quick scoping and I'm a relatively happy man. Can't even begin to properly express how much hate is reserved for that.

Also noob-tubing.

Hahaha, then I have some bad news for you.

 

[darkorion69]

Wait, balance instead of broken game play in MW? I bet that gives us all about a week before our fellow MW players find all new Perks to abuse

 

[JohnDoey]

Get rid of any permutations of quick scoping and I'm a relatively happy man.

Figure I'm all for that one.

Also noob-tubing.

This I would not agree with, because tubes serve a tactical purpose of clearing out enemies in cover. If someone can hit you with a tube grenade in the open, chances are good they could just have hit you with regular bullets anyway - you weren't quick enough on the draw.

The only thing I'd say is to remove the ability to replenish your tube grenades with Scavenger, limiting you to 1 or 2 per life which makes conservation an issue.

The tubes would have been fine if danger close wasn't in the game.

 

[matell]

So, I beg you, acquire a sense of decency when you play online.

decency? I don't use swears, racist insults or anything. I'm just enjoying every bit of a game I paid full price for. How is my fun less important than other people's?
You might say that the needs of the many overwrite the needs of the few but that's just discriminating a group of players that have paid just as much as others for the same content.
To make this clear: I understand what you're saying, but I have no motivation to do so. Why would I care about someone else when they spam the chat with swears and death threats (happens at least every 3 games, and not necessarily towards me). On the other hand, ask me nicely in a game to stop that and I probably will.
Indeed the dedicated servers will solve this "problem" but I don't feel sad because I will be playing by the rules as will all others.

+As long as there is still no patch out to take out the RPG, G18, and other stuff from the game, I consider the producers happy with their product.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

Or if you and your enemy are facing each other, open up a quick fire knife fight with balance?

I'm sorry, I didn't get much sleep and I'm dead tired, but I don't quite follow what you're saying after the comma.

No problem. The way I see this idea in my head is suppose you and an enemy close in on each other, you'd normally try to knife them first and only one guy could win.
Suppose instead of "who did it first" there was a little skilled minigame that opened up when two enemies (who were facing each other) tried to knife the other one, the minigame would be a test of reflexes and whoever won it killed the other player. Maybe a kind of qte thing.

Say the attacker is trying to stab you, they set the pace by trying to stab you in this knife fight, that then generates a response that the defender can respond to but they have to be quick or die.

This wouldn't work if they were behind an enemy however. That would still be a one hit kill thing because you just can't let your guard down in that game.

That any better explained?

Yeah, it makes sense now. Upon further reflection, so did the first time you explained it.

Anyway, that's one of those ideas that would either be super awesome, or super terrible, depending on implementation. I think gears has something like that, but with chainsaws.

 

[Arizona Kyle]

I think they have to decide the purpose of having the knife in at all.

As I see it, there are two reasons to keep it. The first is for stealth kills, so that a player that sneaks up on someone else has a certain kill on them. The second is to avoid fiddly close-quarters gunfights, which rely more on ping and blind luck than skill or planning. I think the best way to avoid those situations would be to cause two players that get too close to each other or run into each other to enter a sort of minigame where they have to grapple with each other or something to win the knife fight.

That way, it's not always the person with the 5-button mouse and the lower ping that wins.

that would just be stupid.... that could be abused so easly i mean you could run around in packs and as soon as one player goes into that minigame then the other person would just shoot the enemy and making them invinsible would just be as bad as second chance in a way.... plus quicktime events just suck ass anyways

 

[Dogstile]

A response for both of you; most people dont use these things in MW2 for the same reason that most people dont go up to strangers and kick them in the balls; they dont want to act like an asshole and have a sense of decency. Of course, there is a big gap between the two, and the UMP45 isnt going to ruin any lives, but, still. Every player that doesnt act this way gets very frustrated when they are one kill away from a harrier and someone commando lunges them, or noobtubes them, or goes into painkiller and takes a whole magazine to the face.

So, I beg you, acquire a sense of decency when you play online. Also, why are you two acting like im the only one who hates this shit? Protip: the entire fan base of Modern Warfare wishes you didnt exist. You guys are shunned as much as hackers, maybe even more. And commando makes it more realistic? Dude, WHAT? How the... Whens the last time you saw a guy zip across a room clearing 5 meters like hes on roller skates?

These "whiny unwritten rules" make the game playable. If MW2 had dedicated servers you would be banned from every single one in a week, and with good reason. Boy am I going to be glad when I can finally switch to BF3. Never have to deal with you players again, just ban and play on.

A sense of decency? Don't make me laugh. I would rate myself by far more decent than most of the playerbase because I can take being killed at 24 kills while being /that/ close to a nuke. Its not like kicking a stranger in the balls, if someones going to kill me in a game, i'm going to launch a noobtube at them and kill them back. That's not being a dick with no decency, that's being competitive.

Its not like you're the only one who hates it, but you're definitely as immature as the rest of the people who hate the way I play. I use what's available to me. I don't ***** and scream at other people who "cheaply" kill me. I accept that he got the drop on me and move the hell on.

I'll see you in BF3 then, grenade launchers aren't nearly as effective and the only reason I would possibly be banned is because the admin of the server would just get tired of me killing them over and over. Which happens a fair bit.

Christ, I wish I could play online without the hassle of having to deal with people, because people suck.

Edit:

And jeez, its a game. I dunno why people get so annoyed when its COD. Nobody rages when you stick someone in halo and they just charge at you to take you with them. Nobody gets pissed when you run into a room full of people and shoot a rocket, taking you all out.

Hehe, I got a good laugh out of that post. You, owning in BF3? Yeah, thats why you use noobtubes and the UMP. Because youre good. Sure. Seriously, remember this and remind me when BF3 is released: I want to play against you. I dont think of myself as "MLG legit" or whatever the fuck wannabe pro gamers call them selfs these days, but something tells me I will give you an asswhooping you will remember for years to come.

In all my days I havent seen a single decent player who used the GL (thumpers notwithstanding). When you took that away they were all shit. Maybe you think youre a good player because you dont have to aim; anywhere in a 5 meter radius will get you a kill.

Also, very ironic that you should say that part about people sucking and all. Its almost like its opposite day. Wake up! You are the reason people wish they could play online without all the bullshit! You! With your commando and OMA! If you think people suck, maybe you should stop acting like a dick when playing online, they might become friendlier! Did you ever think of that?!?! Incredible I know!

Try it sometime. You know, just leave out the overpowered things and stop exploiting flaws in a game. Suddenly, the hate disappears.

Which is one more thing, by the way. Something about the tone of your post somehow implies Infinity Ward intended for some of these exploits to be in the game. Well, they didnt, thats why theyre called exploits. They did a damn poor job of testing and patching, but none the less, these are exploits. If you exploit flaws in a system you will get hate, no matter what game you play, no matter from what crowd. This isnt exclusive to me, the oh so immature guy who just wants to play his game properly without some asshole spawn camping him with endless grenades from the other end of the map. It is frowned upon. It is unsporting. If you respond to that with a simple "hurr i dont care if its unsporting i just play the gaem" that puts it beyond all doubt.

Oh wait, you think I only use the noob tube? Nah, course not, i'm perfectly fine using other guns. I enjoy using weak guns for challenge. Just because I enjoy every aspect that a game has to offer doesn't mean that i'm a dick for enjoying it.

Hell, I don't even use commando and aside from a few matches when I first heard about it, I never used the one man army, tube combo. I'm simply speaking up in defense of those who do. I have never heard someone using a grenade launcher scream at someone for being cheap when they get hit by a tube, neither should you.

Exploits? I don't use them. Quickscoping? Don't bother, makes it too easy. Knife? Occasionally when I feel like being quiet. Spawn killing? Why? Takes away the fun. But because I use a weapon in the game, when two people have seen eachother? Just because I happen to have it on my loadout at the time doesn't mean I shouldn't use it because of /your/ honour code.

And Protip: Using a weapon isn't an exploit. If I use the UMP then i'm using a gun. You have one, a single bullet doesn't make any difference in a game where most people camp the hell out of a map. If i'm using a grenade launcher I have two shots, don't expect me not to use it if its easier than shooting at you, I will. Its a war game, you will be shot at. If you die, its part of the game.

But no, go on, assume i'm being a dick for using weapons in a game where you're meant to be killing eachother. At the moment you're coming across as a guy who'll run up the same street six times, get shot every time then yell that the other team is camping.

And a last thing about spawnkilling. If a guy spawns in front of me and he's an enemy, do you really think it'd be wise of me to stop in the middle of my rampage and go "off you trot mate, five second rule". Course not, he'd just shoot me.

 

[pubbing]

I say bring it back to CoD1: you choose 1 of 5 or so classes and that's it.

Then you have Battlefield. I suggest you play that instead if that is your thing.