Monster Hunter Tri

[milskidasith]

While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

If someone in a public position (such as Yahtzee) says something, someone else will do it. If there weren't a significant enough number of highly suggestible people out there, the Mythbusters and every car commercial ever wouldn't have to say "Don't try this at home".

Well then we've stopped the thicks from buying MH3, a largely multiplayer game if I'm not mistaken, and the game is better for it.

Because we all know that less sales of a game due to misconceptions about it are a good thing, right? It's obviously great for the fans of a series who would rather the games get sent here instead of being Japanese exclusives, right?

First of all, MH3 is a niche market game for reasons I've already discussed. Second of all, I'm talking about thicks. Fucking MORONS. IDIOTS. Again, do you REALLy want them playing your multiplayer game?

Thirdly, and most importantly, Tri's been selling like hot cakes and neither I nor Yahtzee can do a damn thing to stop it, so your argument is moot.

Holy shit the hypocrisy here is thick.

First of all, there's a difference between "bad at the game" and "idiots" and, even further, just because you listen to Yahtzee's doesn't mean you're an idiot. Even further, you can avoid idiots, you can't avoid lost game sales.

Second, the hypocritical part: You're claiming it's a niche market, yet selling absurdly well. How do the two mix? Monster Hunter is one of the highest selling games recently, has a huge amount of marketing, and is massive in Japan. It's not niche. It's huge. It's a, forgive the terrible pun, monster franchise for Capcom.

Third: Yahtzee *has* lost sales. Look at all the people in the video thread and this one that have said "holy shit that looks terrible" or "10 hour tutorial? That's terrible."

Those are all lost sales.

I'm actually starting to think you're just trolling, especially considering your insane overreaction to anybody who disagrees with you and the fact your posts seem to be as intentionally abrasive as possible.

 

[joshuaayt]

Well, at least this'll be the end of it- Tomorrow he'll have a new video, and it will be excellent and everyone will remember how damn awesome Yahtzee videos are.
Else they'll join the hate groups over on tvtropes. I've never seen that many feminists in one thread before...
And yes, I AM amused at the fact that there exists hate groups.

I don't think you understand what the word feminist means.

I'm also annoyed people would bash on hate groups just because they don't share the same opinion, while the common argument people use for Yahtzee is that it's just his opinion, it doesn't matter. Does nobody else see the hypocrisy of mocking people for their opinion on a video while claiming they can't dislike the videos because it is the guys opinion?

A) Yahtzee is apparantly sexist sometimes, and that is largely what is complained about and
B) I never 'bashed' on the hate group, merely said their existance amused me. The existance of the Half Life- Full Life Consequences videos amused me also, that doesn't say anything about my opinion of the original work OR the video.

 

[thublihnk]

While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

If someone in a public position (such as Yahtzee) says something, someone else will do it. If there weren't a significant enough number of highly suggestible people out there, the Mythbusters and every car commercial ever wouldn't have to say "Don't try this at home".

Well then we've stopped the thicks from buying MH3, a largely multiplayer game if I'm not mistaken, and the game is better for it.

Because we all know that less sales of a game due to misconceptions about it are a good thing, right? It's obviously great for the fans of a series who would rather the games get sent here instead of being Japanese exclusives, right?

First of all, MH3 is a niche market game for reasons I've already discussed. Second of all, I'm talking about thicks. Fucking MORONS. IDIOTS. Again, do you REALLy want them playing your multiplayer game?

Thirdly, and most importantly, Tri's been selling like hot cakes and neither I nor Yahtzee can do a damn thing to stop it, so your argument is moot.

Holy shit the hypocrisy here is thick.

First of all, there's a difference between "bad at the game" and "idiots" and, even further, just because you listen to Yahtzee's doesn't mean you're an idiot. Even further, you can avoid idiots, you can't avoid lost game sales.

Second, the hypocritical part: You're claiming it's a niche market, yet selling absurdly well. How do the two mix? Monster Hunter is one of the highest selling games recently, has a huge amount of marketing, and is massive in Japan. It's not niche. It's huge. It's a, forgive the terrible pun, monster franchise for Capcom.

Third: Yahtzee *has* lost sales. Look at all the people in the video thread and this one that have said "holy shit that looks terrible" or "10 hour tutorial? That's terrible."

Those are all lost sales.

I'm actually starting to think you're just trolling, especially considering your insane overreaction to anybody who disagrees with you and the fact your posts seem to be as intentionally abrasive as possible.

First: You don't know what hypocrisy is.
Second: You don't know what trolling is.

Yes, listening to Yahtzee and basing purchasing decisions based solely on his opinions does make a person a fucking idiot. There is one exception to this rule. His name is Yahtzee.

And yes, a game can sell very well for a niche game. And yes, it is a niche game HERE, because it's inaccessible and unappealing to audiences here for reasons that have been pretty clearly displayed.

Do you really think any of those folks were ever going to buy this game? If they were so easily swayed by a couple minutes of Yahtzee talking, they probably weren't going to buy the game in the first place.

 

[KelsieKatt]

But of course the actual point of the game is the fights with giant monsters. That's what all the ancillary pottering about is leading up to and the most glaring absence from the main points of my review. Well, I did actually play far enough to start doing those. The last mission I played was one that had me hunting and killing some giant version of the velociraptor lads.

Basically this involved me smashing my shortsword against his flank over and over and over again, chipping away at his wretchedly massive amount of health for half an hour because every other weapon was so fucking slow to use that he'd jump out of the way and slap me across the chops with his tail in the time it took to swing them. This isn't even mentioning the weapon degradation system, for which someone badly deserves a mongoose up the trouser leg. Every ten hits or so (with the stupid, stupid Wiimote controls) my sword would lose sharpness, to the point that every other blow would bounce ringingly off the monster's hide as if I'd hit the thing with a fucking bamboo walking stick. So I'd have to pick between trying to get through the fight with a half-useless weapon or run off to slide a whetstone slowly along the blade with even odds whether or not the boss and all his friends come over and interrupt me with murder.

Was that really so hard..? :|

If you had acknowledged this boss fight to begin with, maybe it wouldn't have been blown out of hand to quite this extent. Obviously, some people would still complain, but probably not to quite the same extent. I know I personally wouldn't have even bothered posting, as I'm well aware of many of the issues in the game(and yes I do like the game.) The thing that bothered me was that they weren't even being acknowledged... Different people have different opinions and I respect that, which I actually find interesting to listen to (Maybe I'm weird in that respect? I don't know), assuming they actually talk about the main game. I enjoyed hearing you complain about that boss fight being frustrating/tedious/annoying/etc, significantly more than 'collecting mushrooms' and 'killing small helpless animals'...

I won't bother quoting specific examples, suffice to say there were a lot of them. The main thrust of the argument was that Monster Hunter Tri totally gets good once you've gotten past the tutorial, which takes about ten hours of gameplay.

Ten hours. Do you people listen to yourselves? Maybe if I had your kind of wealthy, privileged lifestyle and could spend most of my days idly playing Wii by the pool as a team of oiled bodybuilders fanned me with palm fronds, but some of us have jobs to do. Articles to write. Other, better games to review. Fun Space Games to avoid working on. As I've said time and again, "it gets better later" as an excuse does not wash for me. Even if the game is 50 percent poo and 50 percent mind-blowing envelope-pushing extravaganza, that's still mediocre on average.

Maybe I missed something, but I don't recall anyone saying anything about 10 hours. Not entirely sure where you're getting that from. Single Player took me less than a couple hours to get into boss fighting territory, and on multiplayer I was already fighting the chicken-dragon boss with 4 friends 30 seconds into the game (Qurupeco, if anyone's wondering.) Other than that, I've spent god knows how many hours at this game... and hardly ever collect mushrooms/etc unless I need to whip together a couple of mega potions for healing during a boss fight, which are obscenely easy to find and take a matter of seconds at the worst. Other than that, one of the *worst* things I had to do in terms of gathering was getting a few Machalite Ores, which I basically just ran off to the side for a moment while my teammates were fighting the boss in the same area, banged on a couple of rocks with my pick axe for several seconds and jumped right back into the fight. After a couple of these quests we were already doing anyway, I managed to get I needed on the way and that was it, without ever going on any gathering quests, I just grabbed them during the boss fights.

However, this of course all comes down to whether someone actually enjoys said boss fights or not. Which I fully expected you would loathe, and was hoping you would tear it to shreds in your video review last week, but that unfortunately didn't happen.

Someone explain to me how it makes sense that you can only change your equipment in your bedroom. Well, sure, OK, it would make sense in real life, but what if I'm in the overworld fighting big slow lumbering monsters with my giant two-handed sword, but now I've spotted some of those quick, whippy little bastards and want to switch to a shortsword and shield? I'd have to go all the way back home to do it. That'd just be embarrassing. Like having to come back to school in the evening because you left your P.E. kit there.

Essentially, the idea is to promote tactical play, in a sort of class-based manner. It's primarily designed around the concept of 4 player groups with other people fighting stuff together, so they expect you to essentially pick a 'role' for the group and stick with it. Although, it doesn't translate all that well to single player, and I personally think it would been nice if they would have let you have 2 weapon slots in Offline play, as sometimes the enemies are rather annoying to fight against depending on what's going on and normally, if you were online, your team would vary up some different tactics to suit the situation. Although, I suppose the weird little Cha Cha creature they slapped onto it helps with this a bit, but it's still not quite the same...

The map itself, by the way, is not actually an 'overworld'. It's just a plain old, nothing special level. You wind up fighting in others as well, like a volcano, snowy mountains, desert, swamp, etc. The whole 'overworld' aspect that they let you wander around in at Moga Woods wasn't even present in the original Monster Hunter, but they put it in there so that if people felt like wandering around it and fishing for example, if they wanted to, they could. As originally, it was purely mission based, and you only loaded up a level when you had a quest to do, but some people found that extremely annoying (said quest changes the sort of creatures in the level as well, which can make things even trickier if people just want to do some random little thing), so it was added in as an option. Otherwise it's basically a set of different environment types which shuffle creatures/bosses/enemies/etc in them depending on what quests you pick. Sometimes, even the environment items move around a bit, like one mission might for example have a small patch or two for grabbing spiderwebs to make a pitfall trap for fighting the boss, while others will have something else, etc.

 

[Twinmill5000]

milskidasith, I think I respect you a whole lot more after reading two entire pages of this thread.

Anyway, I did think MH3 was a niche game too... as said before, to me, it tried to blend two things that didn't mix all too well and I didn't think it would have done well... my absence of fact... my bad. Honestly, I don't even own a Wii >.>

 

[milskidasith]

While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

If someone in a public position (such as Yahtzee) says something, someone else will do it. If there weren't a significant enough number of highly suggestible people out there, the Mythbusters and every car commercial ever wouldn't have to say "Don't try this at home".

Well then we've stopped the thicks from buying MH3, a largely multiplayer game if I'm not mistaken, and the game is better for it.

Because we all know that less sales of a game due to misconceptions about it are a good thing, right? It's obviously great for the fans of a series who would rather the games get sent here instead of being Japanese exclusives, right?

First of all, MH3 is a niche market game for reasons I've already discussed. Second of all, I'm talking about thicks. Fucking MORONS. IDIOTS. Again, do you REALLy want them playing your multiplayer game?

Thirdly, and most importantly, Tri's been selling like hot cakes and neither I nor Yahtzee can do a damn thing to stop it, so your argument is moot.

Holy shit the hypocrisy here is thick.

First of all, there's a difference between "bad at the game" and "idiots" and, even further, just because you listen to Yahtzee's doesn't mean you're an idiot. Even further, you can avoid idiots, you can't avoid lost game sales.

Second, the hypocritical part: You're claiming it's a niche market, yet selling absurdly well. How do the two mix? Monster Hunter is one of the highest selling games recently, has a huge amount of marketing, and is massive in Japan. It's not niche. It's huge. It's a, forgive the terrible pun, monster franchise for Capcom.

Third: Yahtzee *has* lost sales. Look at all the people in the video thread and this one that have said "holy shit that looks terrible" or "10 hour tutorial? That's terrible."

Those are all lost sales.

I'm actually starting to think you're just trolling, especially considering your insane overreaction to anybody who disagrees with you and the fact your posts seem to be as intentionally abrasive as possible.

First: You don't know what hypocrisy is.
Second: You don't know what trolling is.

Yes, listening to Yahtzee and basing purchasing decisions based solely on his opinions does make a person a fucking idiot. There is one exception to this rule. His name is Yahtzee.

And yes, a game can sell very well for a niche game. And yes, it is a niche game HERE, because it's inaccessible and unappealing to audiences here for reasons that have been pretty clearly displayed.

Do you really think any of those folks were ever going to buy this game? If they were so easily swayed by a couple minutes of Yahtzee talking, they probably weren't going to buy the game in the first place.

You are a hypocrite. I know what it means.

Sales are sales, it doesn't matter if the people are dumb, especially considering you can be dumb and still good at games. Hell, you can be dumb and still be good at "thinking man's games" such as quite a few chess savants.

It's not a niche game here. It's sold incredibly well, and it's an action game, that's hardly a niche genre. It's only a niche in the fact that it wasn't big in the US before this game; it's sold very well even compared to mainstream games.

Twinmill, thank you.

 

[LeonLethality]

And from what I heard CAPCOM doesn't even have the money to support the bandwidth over here.

Capcom makes a ton of money. It's Capcom. If they see the MH games doing well enough for Frontier, they'll release Frontier. The problem is that they never had a big marketing push in the U.S. like they did for MH3, and now it's finding a much larger audience than ever before

A quote from an (old but still true) capcom blog post "Suffice to say, this is not a ?spend $750K localizing, $500K on cost of goods and $500K on marketing, ship it and you?re done? type of project the way many of you are making it out to be. It?s a multi-million, multi-year commitment to effectively launch a new business unit in the West. It would be the launching of service, not a product and we don?t intend to undertake any such venture in a haphazard fashion (the fallout would be legendary if we did)."

So basically even though they are rich, they are not going to throw millions of dollars in to something that isn't even all that popular here and has a chance of failing.

 

[Loonerinoes]

DINGDINGDINGDING It's over 500 comments ladies and gentlemen! The most commented Extra Punctuation article of all tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiimmmmeeees!

Will the mayhem continue throughout the week? Stay tuned...to this thread of irrelevance.

 

[joshuaayt]

Well, at least this'll be the end of it- Tomorrow he'll have a new video, and it will be excellent and everyone will remember how damn awesome Yahtzee videos are.
Else they'll join the hate groups over on tvtropes. I've never seen that many feminists in one thread before...
And yes, I AM amused at the fact that there exists hate groups.

Link pls. I gotta see this lol.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DethroningMoment/ZeroPunctuation
Ok, now I KNOW there used to be more stuff there. The note at the top does say something about removing stuff if it's untrue, so maybe that's what happened to all of it. It's less of a hate group and more a critique spot now...

 

[thublihnk]

While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

If someone in a public position (such as Yahtzee) says something, someone else will do it. If there weren't a significant enough number of highly suggestible people out there, the Mythbusters and every car commercial ever wouldn't have to say "Don't try this at home".

Well then we've stopped the thicks from buying MH3, a largely multiplayer game if I'm not mistaken, and the game is better for it.

Because we all know that less sales of a game due to misconceptions about it are a good thing, right? It's obviously great for the fans of a series who would rather the games get sent here instead of being Japanese exclusives, right?

First of all, MH3 is a niche market game for reasons I've already discussed. Second of all, I'm talking about thicks. Fucking MORONS. IDIOTS. Again, do you REALLy want them playing your multiplayer game?

Thirdly, and most importantly, Tri's been selling like hot cakes and neither I nor Yahtzee can do a damn thing to stop it, so your argument is moot.

Holy shit the hypocrisy here is thick.

First of all, there's a difference between "bad at the game" and "idiots" and, even further, just because you listen to Yahtzee's doesn't mean you're an idiot. Even further, you can avoid idiots, you can't avoid lost game sales.

Second, the hypocritical part: You're claiming it's a niche market, yet selling absurdly well. How do the two mix? Monster Hunter is one of the highest selling games recently, has a huge amount of marketing, and is massive in Japan. It's not niche. It's huge. It's a, forgive the terrible pun, monster franchise for Capcom.

Third: Yahtzee *has* lost sales. Look at all the people in the video thread and this one that have said "holy shit that looks terrible" or "10 hour tutorial? That's terrible."

Those are all lost sales.

I'm actually starting to think you're just trolling, especially considering your insane overreaction to anybody who disagrees with you and the fact your posts seem to be as intentionally abrasive as possible.

First: You don't know what hypocrisy is.
Second: You don't know what trolling is.

Yes, listening to Yahtzee and basing purchasing decisions based solely on his opinions does make a person a fucking idiot. There is one exception to this rule. His name is Yahtzee.

And yes, a game can sell very well for a niche game. And yes, it is a niche game HERE, because it's inaccessible and unappealing to audiences here for reasons that have been pretty clearly displayed.

Do you really think any of those folks were ever going to buy this game? If they were so easily swayed by a couple minutes of Yahtzee talking, they probably weren't going to buy the game in the first place.

You are a hypocrite. I know what it means.

Sales are sales, it doesn't matter if the people are dumb, especially considering you can be dumb and still good at games. Hell, you can be dumb and still be good at "thinking man's games" such as quite a few chess savants.

It's not a niche game here. It's sold incredibly well, and it's an action game, that's hardly a niche genre. It's only a niche in the fact that it wasn't big in the US before this game; it's sold very well even compared to mainstream games.

Twinmill, thank you.

You CLEARLY don't. If I were a hypocrite I would, say, tell you that I do-or-don't buy games based on Yahtzee's critical opinions then told someone they were teh dumb for buying a game that Yahtzee didn't like. He's god! I worship him! Straawwww maaaan!

I find it funny that you say Yahtzee is stealing sales in one paragraph, then tell me how it's oh-so-very-un-niche and is selling quite well in the next. I suppose that fits in your definition of hypocrisy? (It's called self-contradiction, thanks) So yes, sales are sales, but what do you care? It's selling quite well, even when compared to mainstream games.

Anyway, I'm going to go. It's become pretty clear that we're not debating anything now, you're just disagreeing with every point I make whether or not it helps your argument, to the point where you're blatantly arguing with yourself over the course of one post.

Toodles.

P.S. Mythbusters is awesome, so you're still OK in my book.

 

[milskidasith]

While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

If someone in a public position (such as Yahtzee) says something, someone else will do it. If there weren't a significant enough number of highly suggestible people out there, the Mythbusters and every car commercial ever wouldn't have to say "Don't try this at home".

Well then we've stopped the thicks from buying MH3, a largely multiplayer game if I'm not mistaken, and the game is better for it.

Because we all know that less sales of a game due to misconceptions about it are a good thing, right? It's obviously great for the fans of a series who would rather the games get sent here instead of being Japanese exclusives, right?

First of all, MH3 is a niche market game for reasons I've already discussed. Second of all, I'm talking about thicks. Fucking MORONS. IDIOTS. Again, do you REALLy want them playing your multiplayer game?

Thirdly, and most importantly, Tri's been selling like hot cakes and neither I nor Yahtzee can do a damn thing to stop it, so your argument is moot.

Holy shit the hypocrisy here is thick.

First of all, there's a difference between "bad at the game" and "idiots" and, even further, just because you listen to Yahtzee's doesn't mean you're an idiot. Even further, you can avoid idiots, you can't avoid lost game sales.

Second, the hypocritical part: You're claiming it's a niche market, yet selling absurdly well. How do the two mix? Monster Hunter is one of the highest selling games recently, has a huge amount of marketing, and is massive in Japan. It's not niche. It's huge. It's a, forgive the terrible pun, monster franchise for Capcom.

Third: Yahtzee *has* lost sales. Look at all the people in the video thread and this one that have said "holy shit that looks terrible" or "10 hour tutorial? That's terrible."

Those are all lost sales.

I'm actually starting to think you're just trolling, especially considering your insane overreaction to anybody who disagrees with you and the fact your posts seem to be as intentionally abrasive as possible.

First: You don't know what hypocrisy is.
Second: You don't know what trolling is.

Yes, listening to Yahtzee and basing purchasing decisions based solely on his opinions does make a person a fucking idiot. There is one exception to this rule. His name is Yahtzee.

And yes, a game can sell very well for a niche game. And yes, it is a niche game HERE, because it's inaccessible and unappealing to audiences here for reasons that have been pretty clearly displayed.

Do you really think any of those folks were ever going to buy this game? If they were so easily swayed by a couple minutes of Yahtzee talking, they probably weren't going to buy the game in the first place.

You are a hypocrite. I know what it means.

Sales are sales, it doesn't matter if the people are dumb, especially considering you can be dumb and still good at games. Hell, you can be dumb and still be good at "thinking man's games" such as quite a few chess savants.

It's not a niche game here. It's sold incredibly well, and it's an action game, that's hardly a niche genre. It's only a niche in the fact that it wasn't big in the US before this game; it's sold very well even compared to mainstream games.

Twinmill, thank you.

You CLEARLY don't. If I were a hypocrite I would, say, tell you that I do-or-don't buy games based on Yahtzee's critical opinions then told someone they were teh dumb for buying a game that Yahtzee didn't like. He's god! I worship him! Straawwww maaaan!

I find it funny that you say Yahtzee is stealing sales in one paragraph, then tell me how it's oh-so-very-un-niche and is selling quite well in the next. I suppose that fits in your definition of hypocrisy? (It's called self-contradiction, thanks) So yes, sales are sales, but what do you care? It's selling quite well, even when compared to mainstream games.

Anyway, I'm going to go. It's become pretty clear that we're not debating anything now, you're just disagreeing with every point I make whether or not it helps your argument, to the point where you're blatantly arguing with yourself over the course of one post.

Toodles.

P.S. Mythbusters is awesome, so you're still OK in my book.

It's selling well. That doesn't mean Yahtzee can't cause the sales to be lower than they would by dissuading viewers. Seriously, do you understand just how stupid that argument is? Your argument basically says "It's selling well, so no outside factors can possibly cause it to sell less."

As for the hypocrisy: It was the fact you claimed it was a niche game, then claimed it was selling well. That was the hypocrisy.

 

[thublihnk]

Do you really think any of those folks were ever going to buy this game? If they were so easily swayed by a couple minutes of Yahtzee talking, they probably weren't going to buy the game in the first place.

Some people might not have heard of the game before Yahtzee reviewed it, and then decided not to look up anything more after seeing him pissing his pants about it. That's not an idiot, that's just someone who doesn't give a lot of thought to something they haven't heard of before. To more than a few people, Yahtzee's MH3 'review' is the first and last things they'll hear about the game. That doesn't make them idiots.

Doesn't that mean they weren't going to get it in the first place? They had never heard of it. They weren't going to buy it. TRYING not to be rude, people have taken my sarcasm as hostility in the past few posts here, but there really does seem to be nothing lost, nothing gained in the scenario you're describing.

 

[thublihnk]

While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

If someone in a public position (such as Yahtzee) says something, someone else will do it. If there weren't a significant enough number of highly suggestible people out there, the Mythbusters and every car commercial ever wouldn't have to say "Don't try this at home".

Well then we've stopped the thicks from buying MH3, a largely multiplayer game if I'm not mistaken, and the game is better for it.

Because we all know that less sales of a game due to misconceptions about it are a good thing, right? It's obviously great for the fans of a series who would rather the games get sent here instead of being Japanese exclusives, right?

First of all, MH3 is a niche market game for reasons I've already discussed. Second of all, I'm talking about thicks. Fucking MORONS. IDIOTS. Again, do you REALLy want them playing your multiplayer game?

Thirdly, and most importantly, Tri's been selling like hot cakes and neither I nor Yahtzee can do a damn thing to stop it, so your argument is moot.

Holy shit the hypocrisy here is thick.

First of all, there's a difference between "bad at the game" and "idiots" and, even further, just because you listen to Yahtzee's doesn't mean you're an idiot. Even further, you can avoid idiots, you can't avoid lost game sales.

Second, the hypocritical part: You're claiming it's a niche market, yet selling absurdly well. How do the two mix? Monster Hunter is one of the highest selling games recently, has a huge amount of marketing, and is massive in Japan. It's not niche. It's huge. It's a, forgive the terrible pun, monster franchise for Capcom.

Third: Yahtzee *has* lost sales. Look at all the people in the video thread and this one that have said "holy shit that looks terrible" or "10 hour tutorial? That's terrible."

Those are all lost sales.

I'm actually starting to think you're just trolling, especially considering your insane overreaction to anybody who disagrees with you and the fact your posts seem to be as intentionally abrasive as possible.

First: You don't know what hypocrisy is.
Second: You don't know what trolling is.

Yes, listening to Yahtzee and basing purchasing decisions based solely on his opinions does make a person a fucking idiot. There is one exception to this rule. His name is Yahtzee.

And yes, a game can sell very well for a niche game. And yes, it is a niche game HERE, because it's inaccessible and unappealing to audiences here for reasons that have been pretty clearly displayed.

Do you really think any of those folks were ever going to buy this game? If they were so easily swayed by a couple minutes of Yahtzee talking, they probably weren't going to buy the game in the first place.

You are a hypocrite. I know what it means.

Sales are sales, it doesn't matter if the people are dumb, especially considering you can be dumb and still good at games. Hell, you can be dumb and still be good at "thinking man's games" such as quite a few chess savants.

It's not a niche game here. It's sold incredibly well, and it's an action game, that's hardly a niche genre. It's only a niche in the fact that it wasn't big in the US before this game; it's sold very well even compared to mainstream games.

Twinmill, thank you.

You CLEARLY don't. If I were a hypocrite I would, say, tell you that I do-or-don't buy games based on Yahtzee's critical opinions then told someone they were teh dumb for buying a game that Yahtzee didn't like. He's god! I worship him! Straawwww maaaan!

I find it funny that you say Yahtzee is stealing sales in one paragraph, then tell me how it's oh-so-very-un-niche and is selling quite well in the next. I suppose that fits in your definition of hypocrisy? (It's called self-contradiction, thanks) So yes, sales are sales, but what do you care? It's selling quite well, even when compared to mainstream games.

Anyway, I'm going to go. It's become pretty clear that we're not debating anything now, you're just disagreeing with every point I make whether or not it helps your argument, to the point where you're blatantly arguing with yourself over the course of one post.

Toodles.

P.S. Mythbusters is awesome, so you're still OK in my book.

It's selling well. That doesn't mean Yahtzee can't cause the sales to be lower than they would by dissuading viewers. Seriously, do you understand just how stupid that argument is? Your argument basically says "It's selling well, so no outside factors can possibly cause it to sell less."

As for the hypocrisy: It was the fact you claimed it was a niche game, then claimed it was selling well. That was the hypocrisy.

FFF, I have to reply to this. Sorry.

The basis of your argument is that the livelihood of your game is threatened by Yahtzee. That is clearly not the case. So then why does it matter?

And that is not hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is telling other people not to do something and then doing it yourself. Again, what you're describing is self-contradiction, and a niche game can sell well for a niche game. It's not posting MW2 sales figures, but it's more than making back its development budget and justifying further sequels.

 

[milskidasith]

Do you really think any of those folks were ever going to buy this game? If they were so easily swayed by a couple minutes of Yahtzee talking, they probably weren't going to buy the game in the first place.

Some people might not have heard of the game before Yahtzee reviewed it, and then decided not to look up anything more after seeing him pissing his pants about it. That's not an idiot, that's just someone who doesn't give a lot of thought to something they haven't heard of before. To more than a few people, Yahtzee's MH3 'review' is the first and last things they'll hear about the game. That doesn't make them idiots.

Doesn't that mean they weren't going to get it in the first place? They had never heard of it. They weren't going to buy it. TRYING not to be rude, people have taken my sarcasm as hostility in the past few posts here, but there really does seem to be nothing lost, nothing gained in the scenario you're describing.

You do realize you can learn about games from other sources than Yahtzee, right? I'm really hoping you aren't being serious here. People who get misconceptions about the game from Yahtzee could have heard about it from plenty of other sources with their facts straight, and made a judgment based on that.

 

[LeonLethality]

And from what I heard CAPCOM doesn't even have the money to support the bandwidth over here.

Capcom makes a ton of money. It's Capcom. If they see the MH games doing well enough for Frontier, they'll release Frontier. The problem is that they never had a big marketing push in the U.S. like they did for MH3, and now it's finding a much larger audience than ever before

A quote from an (old but still true) capcom blog post "Suffice to say, this is not a ?spend $750K localizing, $500K on cost of goods and $500K on marketing, ship it and you?re done? type of project the way many of you are making it out to be. It?s a multi-million, multi-year commitment to effectively launch a new business unit in the West. It would be the launching of service, not a product and we don?t intend to undertake any such venture in a haphazard fashion (the fallout would be legendary if we did)."

So basically even though they are rich, they are not going to throw millions of dollars in to something that isn't even all that popular here.

Wasn't that entirely my point already? That they wanted to see if it was worth the cost? Where did I make myself unclear?

All in all there are too many factors preventing Frontier's western release, and the success of MHFU and Tri in the west isn't really helping get past them (not even the cost part) most can be summed up in this [http://blog.capcom.com/archives/751] (as I said old but still for the most part true) article/blog. The 360 version seems like a glimmer of hope but since there is no word of it yet I am not getting my hopes up.

For the record I really do want a international Frontier release but I really don't see it happening given the circumstances, so don't think I am against it.

 

[KelsieKatt]

As for the hypocrisy: It was the fact you claimed it was a niche game, then claimed it was selling well. That was the hypocrisy.

Not to be mean or anything, as it's really not that big of a deal to me... Technically that's not hypocrisy, but rather contradicting oneself. Hypocrisy is more like someone telling other people what to do, while not following their own rules themselves. For example, if someone said chocolate is evil and makes you fat, while loading up their own fridge with it. That would be hypocrisy.

(Eh... Nevermind. Was already replied to...)

 

[thublihnk]

Do you really think any of those folks were ever going to buy this game? If they were so easily swayed by a couple minutes of Yahtzee talking, they probably weren't going to buy the game in the first place.

Some people might not have heard of the game before Yahtzee reviewed it, and then decided not to look up anything more after seeing him pissing his pants about it. That's not an idiot, that's just someone who doesn't give a lot of thought to something they haven't heard of before. To more than a few people, Yahtzee's MH3 'review' is the first and last things they'll hear about the game. That doesn't make them idiots.

Doesn't that mean they weren't going to get it in the first place? They had never heard of it. They weren't going to buy it. TRYING not to be rude, people have taken my sarcasm as hostility in the past few posts here, but there really does seem to be nothing lost, nothing gained in the scenario you're describing.

You do realize you can learn about games from other sources than Yahtzee, right? I'm really hoping you aren't being serious here.

No, yeah. I do. The scenario he was describing was other people. Did you read any of the posts that lead to that one? At all? Yeah, out of context I do sound like a dick, sure, but I think I made it clear that it was in the scenario he was describing.

 

[thublihnk]

Do you really think any of those folks were ever going to buy this game? If they were so easily swayed by a couple minutes of Yahtzee talking, they probably weren't going to buy the game in the first place.

Some people might not have heard of the game before Yahtzee reviewed it, and then decided not to look up anything more after seeing him pissing his pants about it. That's not an idiot, that's just someone who doesn't give a lot of thought to something they haven't heard of before. To more than a few people, Yahtzee's MH3 'review' is the first and last things they'll hear about the game. That doesn't make them idiots.

Doesn't that mean they weren't going to get it in the first place? They had never heard of it. They weren't going to buy it. TRYING not to be rude, people have taken my sarcasm as hostility in the past few posts here, but there really does seem to be nothing lost, nothing gained in the scenario you're describing.

Indeed. But imagine if Yahtzee had been fair, "It's not my thing, I don't feel qualified to review it, because I only played it for two hours." He's not qualified, at all, but he went ahead anyway. He didn't just make them aware of it; he made people aware of it, and then lied about its features and told them it was the shittiest thing ever shat by a shit monster.

Alright, yeah, but I have to go back and say if someone thought maybe a game called 'Monster Hunter' was up their alley and they needed something new to their Wii collection they should do a little more research before they write it off based on Yahtzee's review. Maybe not idiots. Lazy. Better word.

 

[poiuppx]

Do you really think any of those folks were ever going to buy this game? If they were so easily swayed by a couple minutes of Yahtzee talking, they probably weren't going to buy the game in the first place.

Some people might not have heard of the game before Yahtzee reviewed it, and then decided not to look up anything more after seeing him pissing his pants about it. That's not an idiot, that's just someone who doesn't give a lot of thought to something they haven't heard of before. To more than a few people, Yahtzee's MH3 'review' is the first and last things they'll hear about the game. That doesn't make them idiots.

For what it's worth, I'm an exception to this; the review made me interested. It was the slapfight in this thread and the one connected to the video, and the fact a lot of the defenders made the game sound boring and deeply flawed that were convincing me not to buy it.

Also, I'm now confused. Are MH fans defending this game because they fear it losing sales, even though one of its chief defenders in both threads has admitted it's making serious bank? Why? If it's making good money, what do you care? That'll compell them to bring over more MH games, which presumably you'd LIKE them to do.

 

[milskidasith]

While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

If someone in a public position (such as Yahtzee) says something, someone else will do it. If there weren't a significant enough number of highly suggestible people out there, the Mythbusters and every car commercial ever wouldn't have to say "Don't try this at home".

Well then we've stopped the thicks from buying MH3, a largely multiplayer game if I'm not mistaken, and the game is better for it.

Because we all know that less sales of a game due to misconceptions about it are a good thing, right? It's obviously great for the fans of a series who would rather the games get sent here instead of being Japanese exclusives, right?

First of all, MH3 is a niche market game for reasons I've already discussed. Second of all, I'm talking about thicks. Fucking MORONS. IDIOTS. Again, do you REALLy want them playing your multiplayer game?

Thirdly, and most importantly, Tri's been selling like hot cakes and neither I nor Yahtzee can do a damn thing to stop it, so your argument is moot.

Holy shit the hypocrisy here is thick.

First of all, there's a difference between "bad at the game" and "idiots" and, even further, just because you listen to Yahtzee's doesn't mean you're an idiot. Even further, you can avoid idiots, you can't avoid lost game sales.

Second, the hypocritical part: You're claiming it's a niche market, yet selling absurdly well. How do the two mix? Monster Hunter is one of the highest selling games recently, has a huge amount of marketing, and is massive in Japan. It's not niche. It's huge. It's a, forgive the terrible pun, monster franchise for Capcom.

Third: Yahtzee *has* lost sales. Look at all the people in the video thread and this one that have said "holy shit that looks terrible" or "10 hour tutorial? That's terrible."

Those are all lost sales.

I'm actually starting to think you're just trolling, especially considering your insane overreaction to anybody who disagrees with you and the fact your posts seem to be as intentionally abrasive as possible.

First: You don't know what hypocrisy is.
Second: You don't know what trolling is.

Yes, listening to Yahtzee and basing purchasing decisions based solely on his opinions does make a person a fucking idiot. There is one exception to this rule. His name is Yahtzee.

And yes, a game can sell very well for a niche game. And yes, it is a niche game HERE, because it's inaccessible and unappealing to audiences here for reasons that have been pretty clearly displayed.

Do you really think any of those folks were ever going to buy this game? If they were so easily swayed by a couple minutes of Yahtzee talking, they probably weren't going to buy the game in the first place.

You are a hypocrite. I know what it means.

Sales are sales, it doesn't matter if the people are dumb, especially considering you can be dumb and still good at games. Hell, you can be dumb and still be good at "thinking man's games" such as quite a few chess savants.

It's not a niche game here. It's sold incredibly well, and it's an action game, that's hardly a niche genre. It's only a niche in the fact that it wasn't big in the US before this game; it's sold very well even compared to mainstream games.

Twinmill, thank you.

You CLEARLY don't. If I were a hypocrite I would, say, tell you that I do-or-don't buy games based on Yahtzee's critical opinions then told someone they were teh dumb for buying a game that Yahtzee didn't like. He's god! I worship him! Straawwww maaaan!

I find it funny that you say Yahtzee is stealing sales in one paragraph, then tell me how it's oh-so-very-un-niche and is selling quite well in the next. I suppose that fits in your definition of hypocrisy? (It's called self-contradiction, thanks) So yes, sales are sales, but what do you care? It's selling quite well, even when compared to mainstream games.

Anyway, I'm going to go. It's become pretty clear that we're not debating anything now, you're just disagreeing with every point I make whether or not it helps your argument, to the point where you're blatantly arguing with yourself over the course of one post.

Toodles.

P.S. Mythbusters is awesome, so you're still OK in my book.

It's selling well. That doesn't mean Yahtzee can't cause the sales to be lower than they would by dissuading viewers. Seriously, do you understand just how stupid that argument is? Your argument basically says "It's selling well, so no outside factors can possibly cause it to sell less."

As for the hypocrisy: It was the fact you claimed it was a niche game, then claimed it was selling well. That was the hypocrisy.

FFF, I have to reply to this. Sorry.

The basis of your argument is that the livelihood of your game is threatened by Yahtzee. That is clearly not the case. So then why does it matter?

And that is not hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is telling other people not to do something and then doing it yourself. Again, what you're describing is self-contradiction, and a niche game can sell well for a niche game. It's not posting MW2 sales figures, but it's more than making back its development budget and justifying further sequels.

It's not that the game's livelihood is threatened. It's that the material Yahtzee is providing causes misconceptions among potential buyers, and I'm trying to set the facts straight; many of his criticisms are flat out wrong in both the original video and Extra Punctuation. The other issue is that many people, yourself included in earlier posts, have strawmanned out my position to being some whiny ***** who doesn't like the fact that Yahtzee doesn't like a game I like.

OK, I'll admit it. I got the definition wrong.

You're being self contradictory. Happy?