At least a little good news in this shit show (though it is pretty early tp declare victory given how often cops skate away from murder
They already do that Lil. They've had these police training procedures for decades, both for violence and for race, gender, nationality, and everything else. It doesn't do anything, because it doesn't matter how many times you tell someone, "Don't be racist" if the place they get called into to deal with violent crime is still the poor black neighborhoods.Racism, classism, entitlement, arrogance, yea many causes here, but you have to start addressing the symptoms before you can get to the heart of the problem. Since we cannot stop " GREED" or " HATRED" in general, we can alt least stop people from obtaining positions in society where they can use their positions to inflict harm upon members of society. Even if we elimiated poverty in the US, we would STILL have to contend with groups like the KKK and Identity Evropa infiltrating our law enforcement, military and immigration departments in order to cause harm and carry out their agenda. This is a long known and widespread problem that we have not properly addressed at all here.
Extremist cops: how US law enforcement is failing to police itself
The long read: For decades, anti-government and white supremacist groups have been attempting to recruit police officers – and the authorities themselves aren’t even certain about the scale of the problemwww.theguardian.comSigns of white supremacy, extremism up again in poll of active-duty troops
More than half of minority service members have seen links to the hate groups among fellow troops.www.militarytimes.comWhite Nationalism as Immigration Policy | Stanford Law Review
This Essay argues that legal challenges to Trump’s restrictive immigration policies should call out white nationalism as the underlying harm, both twww.stanfordlawreview.org
In order to have impact immediately, we have to start with removing the tentacles of racism in our law enforcement, immigration and military. I am not saying that is all that needs to be done here, not at all, but this is the first thing we have to do immediately to at least give us that release valve while simultaneously focusing on deescalation training and weeding out aggressive cops. I know the police Unions will hate every aspect of that, and they will have to get a " deal with it" at this point, and honestly, we need to have a policy that fires an officer for covering their badge numbers or turning off cameras as some police unions have done. The blue wall needs to come down in order to have the needed reform, whether they like it or not. if they don't like it, they can either comply or lose their jobs. The policies they are trying to protect are the same policies that are endangering both the officers and the community they are supposed to protect. We have to address the criminals in the police force before we can restore trust between the police and the people.
Good. Damn good. I imagine those are all felonies, meaning no rehiring.At least a little good news in this shit show (though it is pretty early tp declare victory given how often cops skate away from murder
Why are you ignoring the excessive force problem here.They already do that Lil. They've had these police training procedures for decades, both for violence and for race, gender, nationality, and everything else. It doesn't do anything, because it doesn't matter how many times you tell someone, "Don't be racist" if the place they get called into to deal with violent crime is still the poor black neighborhoods.
Oddly it's not.Good. Damn good. I imagine those are all felonies, meaning no rehiring.
First off, the officer was charged with 3rd degree originally. There is no 4th degree, in Minnesota or anywhere else that I've heard of.Oddly it's not.
2nd degree requires evidence of deliberate Malice. I.E. he literally killed George Floyd out of anger or intent and in his actions knew he was killing him and did so deliberately. So as an example you'd need to have evidence he wanted to kill some-one or posted racist messages about killing Black men or something like that
This actually means a higher chance he will be let off.
4th degree has a lower standard of evidence required to prove it where all they have to prove really is the officer killed him out of gross incompetence or negligence.
Important update:Snip
I'd heard it was going to be 4th degree if I'm wrong I stand corrected but 2nd degree still requires a higher standard of evidence as such.First off, the officer was charged with 3rd degree originally. There is no 4th degree, in Minnesota or anywhere else that I've heard of.
3rd degree murder in Minnesota is: "Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years. " Essentially, it's an upgraded manslaughter charge, and I thought it fit this crime very well, so long as there was no proof of the officer in question acting on personal motive.
However, making the crime 3rd degree murder means that motive doesn't have to be proved, and therefore the other officers couldn't be charged with conspiracy (that's my own interpretation, and I'm not a law expert, but that's what seems logical to me). The worst that would be left would be criminal negligence, and it's something that I think cops are off the hook for in this instance, given Supreme Court decisions that police are not Constitutionally obligated to protect citizens. The exception is if the citizen is in custody, and that's muddled in this case because it can be argued that George Floyd was resisting arrest at the time. Overall, it didn't look like there was a strong case to bring charges on the other officers.
Making the crime 2nd degree murder brings in intent, and with intent can come conspiracy, which is the charge now being levied against the other officers. However, this reeks to me of a political stunt. If there's no additional evidence which has not yet been revealed which points to a motive, then the first officer will get off on the murder charge and only be found guilty for the additional manslaughter charges. If he gets off on murder, you can't very well try the other officers for conspiracy to commit murder effectively, which would mean they all walk. This seems to me to be bad faith legal shenanigans in an effort to placate the riots which places the primary case in jeopardy.
Isn't this from the same report that says that other Black Bloc groups however may have been involved?Important update:
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
The FBI and other federal agencies have warned, however, that far-right groups will try to incite violence in the George Floyd protests.www.businessinsider.com
But by all means keep the rumour mill about antifa being secret terrorists going if it helps you.
That’s what Black Bloc means.Isn't this from the same report that says that other Black Bloc groups however may have been involved?
You're not always talking about this problem though. We talk about many problems here, and you make the same assessment of all of them. Any issue to you is evidence of government inadequacy, and any government inadequacy is Republican malfeasance. Every time.I was quite specific. I am not talking about " all the problems in the world". I am talking about THIS problem.
You know, with a Republican controlled congress and Trump as president, they passed prison and sentencing reform. They need a win now a lot more than they did then. Somebody put even vague policy proposals on these people's desks, see what happens.Being Heeded is being invited into the discussion. Having your actual thoughts and feelings and experiences added to the discussion to help transform the future. Are we being heeded here? Will there be discussions on how to actually best fight crime and/or poverty that causes crime? Will there be movements, jobs, education reform that doesn't just slap an used band-aid on the problem so the politicians can go home and sleep well that night knowing they earned 6% more of the vote next term? Or the opposite side politicians who will just drain more and more money from an already beleaguered people and tell them to stop whining and figure it out?
No, it is NOT always Republican Malfeasance, just much of it is Malfeasance because of the party's actual platform and agenda. I spoke just as harshly on the escapist about Obama's backdoor deals with Pharma, his allowing the military to carry out operations in allied and non allied nations without their knowledge or consent, about how the cost of basic goods necessary for survival ballooned in cost to the poor under his watch, and numerous other failings that he or democrats were responsible for, however, I am not willing to turn a blind eye to the extremely devastating Republican platform, policies and agenda at this time. Republican action and inaction ARE responsible for much of this, as they are the ones who blocked the reform that was actually needed here [AKA Bernie and Hillary's plans for police reform] That Republicans deemed anti police. We have to address the police unions protecting criminal cops in order to be able to make any changes for the good right now because the Police Unions are currently at the heart of the problem here. Police of course need better pay and benefits, however, it should never be up to the Union whether or not they are allowed to use violence against their own communities. Yes, often Police Unions are protected by both Democrats and Republicans, and yes, Unions should be there to protect workers rights, however, Unions protecting bad people has to stop or it will be their downfall. Republicans privatization of prisons counter any positive affect of any other acts right now. Until they deprivatize and outlaw privatization of all public services, this is going to be a serious issue.You're not always talking about this problem though. We talk about many problems here, and you make the same assessment of all of them. Any issue to you is evidence of government inadequacy, and any government inadequacy is Republican malfeasance. Every time.
You know, with a Republican controlled congress and Trump as president, they passed prison and sentencing reform. They need a win now a lot more than they did then. Somebody put even vague policy proposals on these people's desks, see what happens.
The politicians sleep well that night because they think they helped. If they haven't helped, they aren't going to experience it, someone needs to tell them... which is the point of demonstration. I am valuing demonstration here. People saying a riot is necessary are implicitly saying demonstration doesn't work. That ignores every successful peaceful protest in history. Women didn't riot for suffrage, to the contrary their peaceful march was attacked by rioters who committed violence against them, and it brought their cause sympathy. I'd argue the same thing is happening right now, peaceful protests are being turned into riots by those who disagree with peace, but instead of directing more sympathy to those both the victims of oppression and of the current violence, we're having arguments about whether the two responses are equally legitimate. Fully aware of the callousness of calling a tragedy an opportunity, the talk about riots being justified is flushing opportunity down the hole. I honestly feel less resentment for the looting than I do for the rationalizing of the looting. Stealing clothes at least isn't an insult to generations of human progress.
The MSNBC reporter hit by a firework you mean?Just so you know, Dwarf’s video is bullshit and made by the same NYPD who are trying to blackmail their mayor into letting them kill people. The cops are the bad guys here.
Edit- oh, and the firework was a Proud Boy.
See now you have evidence of that one so I'm listening.The real “outside agitators” at these protests are not anarchist medics, mutual aid organizers, or black bloc guys, they are Nazis. They are the people ecstatic at the idea of the police cracking down and the military getting called in so their race war can begin. They are the genuine terrorist threat. Their bullshit has killed more people as part of propaganda about wearing masks (and the shootings of customer service workers that resulted from this) than have been killed by protesters. And in Pittsburgh, the police chief has a long history of working with them and is already letting them walk the streets and beat people with bats after curfew. These guys, and the police, are the real terrorist threat to you. Never let anyone tell you otherwise.
Prosecutors: 3 arrested on terrorism charges in Las Vegas
LAS VEGAS — Three Nevada men with ties to a loose movement of right-wing extremists advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government have been arrested on terrorism-related charges i…www.sandiegouniontribune.com
The Women's March accomplished nothing because it was never meant to. It's a collective middle finger to the March for Life and Donald Trump, it has no specific goal.Your rose tinted glasses view of how peaceful protests brought about the much needed changes seems to be missing a good amount of the details involved. "pussyhat protests" accomplished what exactly? Those were peaceful, but instead of protecting women's rights to their own bodies, we had the worst assault on them since ROE vs Wade in numerous GOP states. They have been shutting down clinics, adding all sorts of obstacles and wait periods. Women now have a more difficult time obtaining birth control, pap smears, access to STI testing and other women;s services as a result of the GOP's current agenda after the protests. It got so much worse, not better.
A lot of them have more merit than others from what I can see in that thread.Want a big list of examples of police brutality that aren’t coming from me, a sentient mass of materialist fury? Here’s a list of recorded examples from a Never Trump conservative 1st ammendment lawyer, aka, my mirror opposite who in all other circumstances I would openly mock. He’s broken 200.